nVidia GeForce Partner Program: Well Intention Marketing or Anti-Competitive

[Razor01]

43 minutes ago, pas008 said:

what? many times here

I dont want to start bolding but what?

 

 

No I agree with ya.  But one thing Intel did have changes within their different 14nm node which gave them higher frequencies in Skylake and Cannonlake. Their fin shape improved the process by reducing leakag which was/is going to be used in their 10nm.  If we compare Intel's first 14nm node to Samsung's 14nm (which GF is copy exact), outside of size there are striking similarities.

 

But I digress that is for a different talk.

[Derangel]

2 hours ago, pas008 said:

how is that even remotely close

 

each chipmakers products should have names not associated with a competitor

simple as that

Why? From a consumer standpoint, I see absolutely zero problem with them being under the same sub-branding. I can understand why it would annoy Nvidia but, quite frankly, I don't give a damn if it bothers them.

[Nena Trinity]

Nvidia knows da wae of da devul! O3O

[Razor01]

12 hours ago, Derangel said:

Why? From a consumer standpoint, I see absolutely zero problem with them being under the same sub-branding. I can understand why it would annoy Nvidia but, quite frankly, I don't give a damn if it bothers them.

For us people that know what is what its not an issue, for nV they have a problem with it.  I really don't think its much of an issue but its their shit, they can do what ever they want with it.

[SPARTAN VI]

Surprised this wasn't discussed on the WAN Show this Friday. I hope LTT isn't afraid of upsetting Nvidia.

[mr moose]

7 hours ago, spartanvi said:

Surprised this wasn't discussed on the WAN Show this Friday. I hope LTT isn't afraid of upsetting Nvidia.

Nah, they either already had their agenda sorted or compared to the other topics there just wasn't enough information to have a compelling discussion for more than 20 secs.

 

Maybe if more info surfaces it be on the next one.

[leadeater]

26 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Nah, they either already had their agenda sorted or compared to the other topics there just wasn't enough information to have a compelling discussion for more than 20 secs.

 

Maybe if more info surfaces it be on the next one.

They hardly talk about any of the topics on the dock anyway lol

[leadeater]

On 3/10/2018 at 2:28 PM, Razor01 said:

This is what Raja was talking about with AMD's next move with Navi,  this is what scale-able means, scale-able across multiple market needs.  Not scale-able as in multi chip designs.

A high performance consistent GPU that is multi chip is a bridge too far right now anyway. It sounds cool but we just don't have the tech for it and the inter-chip bandwidth required is extremely high that all the traces and logic for it would get large fast making it larger than a single die solution would have been, not really a problem until the package is gigantic which it would be.

 

Maybe there is less intercommunication required with a GPU so it might not actually be a problem, I don't know, but I would still be very concerned about performance consistency. 

[lortie258]

no,they aren't doing the same thing. they're saying that to have the perks that they've enjoyed all this time; they can't make amd cards. if they do make amd cards, then they have to wait til release day and buy it themselves. samples for review before release are a perk not a right. they can limit that too whoever they want under any conditions. this story started a week ago. i will try to find the video on you tube who started reporting about it and will post it if i find it again. this is why this move is so damgerous. amd found out about it and gave it to hardocp for them to report on it. this is because the goverment won't stop this because it is a perk to get a card to review before sale and any company can give the perk to whoever they feel like. whats has me worried is are they not going to give those who opt. out the rights to build their cards until after they are released by the gpp members. that would make those companies behind the curve by months.?. basically, this is a line in the sand. be part of the gpp or have your nvidia cards come out later than the gpp members.i  believe that something has got them running.why start this now when your on top like this? did they find out amd's is onto something that will compete with them next year and trying to get it shut down?  

[pas008]

On 3/9/2018 at 9:16 PM, Derangel said:

Why? From a consumer standpoint, I see absolutely zero problem with them being under the same sub-branding. I can understand why it would annoy Nvidia but, quite frankly, I don't give a damn if it bothers them.

lol I know many new to pc diy building consumers that bought the wrong strix/rog product because of the name

 

you are entitled to your opinion but you dont matter to a billion dollar corp

 

funny thing is you dont give a damn that it bothers them but obviously it bothers you enough to post

 

[XenosTech]

17 minutes ago, pas008 said:

lol I know many new to pc diy building consumers that bought the wrong strix/rog product because of the name

 

you are entitled to your opinion but you dont matter to a billion dollar corp

 

funny thing is you dont give a damn that it bothers them but obviously it bothers you enough to post

 

That is the fault of the person buying it and not the branding....

[pas008]

4 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

That is the fault of the person buying it and not the branding....

doesnt matter as a company you dont want a reason for people to buy a competing product

 

simple as that

[XenosTech]

Just now, pas008 said:

doesnt matter as a company you dont want a reason for people to buy a competing product

 

simple as that

Well if you wanna end up like intel paying out billions for anti-consumer practices, go right ahead

[Guest The Viking]

Just now, XenosTech said:

Well if you wanna end up like intel paying out billions for anti-consumer practices, go right ahead

they have yet to pay anything... they are still fighting in the EU to avoid paying their fine.... been 10 years.

[XenosTech]

Just now, The Viking said:

they have yet to pay anything... they are still fighting in the EU to avoid paying their fine.... been 10 years.

I know, I hope they are forced to pay up for all that bs as an example to other companies not to risk doing that stupid shit.

[BluJay614]

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 4:36 PM, manikyath said:

in the end, all of this feels like the entire opinion depends on the light you put it in.. and if it was truly so anticompetitive "and probably illegal" i wonder why AMD decided to tip off media outlets, instead of taking direct legal action?

My first thought on that is they probably are still feeling the sting of all the crap that went down with Intel, going decades in the court system only to have nothing resolved because somehow Intel managed to keep delaying things long enough to get by with nothing more then a period of minor annoyance, where as AMD suffered. It's possible that they are taking a more indirect approach by getting backup and support before going directly on the offensive. This is not to mention that people who do pay attention to the media WILL notice, especially if this catches on. Given how much sway the media has, I would think that people could be pushed away from Nvidia as they where pushed away from Intel because of specter. Both of these would then hopefully cause enough disturbance, if legal action was not already taken, to make Nvidia do something.

I'm not saying I'll give the people over at AMD that much credit for looking that far ahead, or that elaborately, but who knows.

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Well if you wanna end up like intel paying out billions for anti-consumer practices, go right ahead

completely unrelated

 

how does branding have to do with what intel did?

 

seriously please tell me in any other market that has 2 competitors under the same sub branding?

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, pas008 said:

lol I know many new to pc diy building consumers that bought the wrong strix/rog product because of the name

 

you are entitled to your opinion but you dont matter to a billion dollar corp

 

funny thing is you dont give a damn that it bothers them but obviously it bothers you enough to post

 

 

8 minutes ago, pas008 said:

doesnt matter as a company you dont want a reason for people to buy a competing product

 

simple as that

Ok now I'm interested, what's the backstory to this? How did they end up buying the wrong thing and what was it and what was it confused with. 

 

I have to say though if they get confused between for example an Asus STRIX GTX1060 and a Asus ROG-STRIX RX580 then that is not a branding issue, that's failure to math and understand different numbers and words means a different product. Seems unfixable to me.

 

Should take a leaf out of who wants to be a millionaire and use the 'Phone a friend' help.

[hobobobo]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

completely unrelated

 

how does branding have to do with what intel did?

 

seriously please tell me in any other market that has 2 competitors under the sub branding?

How does NV have the right to tell Asus that the brand that they have built, ROG for example, is now not theirs on GPU side? Because its that, its basically holding your products hostage and asking for an established brand name other companies spend time and resources building as ransom.

[XenosTech]

4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

completely unrelated

 

how does branding have to do with what intel did?

 

seriously please tell me in any other market that has 2 competitors under the sub branding?

Other markets aren't even like the pc markets so you can't compare apples to zebras. Fact still stands that you as a big company are forcing other companies to not sell another company's product in the top tier along side theirs. That's illegal in probably every country on the planet, hence why intel got squeezed.

[pas008]

Just now, hobobobo said:

How does NV have the right to tell Asus that the brand that they have built, ROG for example, is now not theirs on GPU side? Because its that, its basically holding your products hostage and asking for an established brand name other companies spend time and resources building as ransom.

they arent holding hostage they just dont need to be part of the program

wow can you read?

[pas008]

Just now, XenosTech said:

Other markets aren't even like regular markets so you can't compare apples to zebras. Fact still stands that you as a big company are forcing other companies to not sell another company's product in the top tier along side theirs. That's illegal in probably every country on the planet, hence why intel got squeezed.

what are you talking about many companies force vendors and manufacturers to use their label even when made in same fucking building as the competitor

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

Ok now I'm interested, what's the backstory to this? How did they end up buying the wrong thing and what was it and what was it confused with. 

 

I have to say though if they get confused between for example an Asus STRIX GTX1060 and a Asus ROG-STRIX RX580 then that is not a branding issue, that's failure to math and understand different numbers and words means a different product. Seems unfixable to me.

 

Should take a leaf out of who wants to be a millionaire and use the 'Phone a friend' help.

Seems to me some people lack extremely basic comprehension.

 

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

what are you talking about many companies force vendors and manufacturers to use their label even when made in same fucking building as the competitor

And that is illegal

[pas008]

8 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Seems to me some people lack extremely basic comprehension.

 

And that is illegal

how is that illegal please explain?

 

love to hear how a volunteer partnership is illegal

 

and how my kwik trip potato chips are illegal

 

hahaha

 

[XenosTech]

10 minutes ago, pas008 said:

how is that illegal please explain?

 

As a company you can not engage in practices that will hurt or block the sales of your competitors. I.E You can't offer incentives that will cause retailers or AIB to only sell your products etc. Pretty sure your country has laws against that kind of practices