Quit gaming

[asus killer]

people get in a casino one day as a joke between friends, before they now it they are an addict with a serious problem. These people are normal people before and after the addiction. Mental issues seem to be an easy way of conveniently explaining all this days, if this trend catches on some countries will have their mental institutions so full as their jails.

I know little about this but if the WHO says it is, probably they now what they're talking about.

[wasab]

9 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

No, cocaine is addictive because of changes it makes to your brain.  I inject five dark souls into my brain to feed that!  *Shudders*

You don’t need drugs to have the neurons release pleasure inducing chemicals, just saying. Pleasurable activities and food do the same thing. 

[SansVarnic]

Lock your pc with a password you have someone else set or set up permissions that block you from loading games....

[Beef Boss]

Play a game where it removes files from your system 

[wasab]

3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

It would have to cause a change or overhaul of things like dopamine.   Gaming causes the normal production of things like dopamine, it doesn't cause an overhaul nor makes a change to mimic it.  This is why it isn't an addiction.  Food can do it because food can contain substances that do this.  Caffeine is one thing we consume daily that can do this.  It's not as vague as you think.

You are narrowing definition of addiction to just one gross oversimplification of how much dopamine or whatever chemical a substance or activity induces. Human behavior is more complicated than that, you cant just water everything down to mere bio-chemical reactions otherwise psychology(the study of the mind) would just be the same thing as neuroscience(biological study of the brain).

 

addiction is addiction. What gives us max pleasure does not need to be substance and what gives us the max pain need not to be what signal a nerve sends to the brain.

[Canada EH]

1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

stimulates

Over Eating

Over Working (100+ hrs a week)

Over Working Out at the Gym

Nicotine Cigarettes

Too much sex

Too much porn

Too much gaming

 

Basically anything that is an unbalance in life. An extreme if you will.

[wasab]

9 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

By that logic, everyone who randomly gets violent at all can only be bipolar.  Violent behavior can only be linked to bipolar.  Have high functioning autism or ptsd?  Nope, the second you get violent you are bipolar.

My point is people can be addicted without chemical substance. Many who who are mentally insane or suffered mental trauma hence can not function properly are not due to any result of biological anamoly. Some people find certain activity to be vastly pleasurable just as some people have extreme irrational phobia of certain other activities/things. These fosters addictions and withdrawal.

[wasab]

10 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I never said it was exclusive to that I was explaining why gaming is not an addiction at all let alone in the same sense.  Most people overspending in casinos, "gambling addiction", are there because they are poor and hoping for income, someone got lucky and assumes they are going to win not realizing without cheating there is no fixed way to win, or they have disorders that have rituals and so on this is very common.  Gaming is usually overdone by the people with actual disorders related to mental health or developmental, lazy, or overly bored people who are too lazy to find another hobby/do something productive.  Now, I can see why someone would consider gaming an addiction, but if you actually looked at the people claiming they have "an addiction" they are usually not a mental health professional nor have they mentioned why they think they can't stop.   They simply state, "I can't stop I have an addiction!"  Again they are lacking proof that it is an addiction and rather using poor correlation to the actual problem.  It would be like me getting shot then stating I have a  necrotizing fasciitis because there is a hole in me.

 

My problem with the research constantly linked, and that my dad, aunt, and several other state social workers and psychiatrists have, is that the research never mentions any of this at all.  All they mention is misused and vague interpretations of addiction and disorders, funding, lazy research, and 0 other factors that could discredit them.

no, gaming can be as compulsive in some people that it equates to if not greater than the adverse effects that addictive substances can have on a person. If you want to strictly talk about it chemically, once a person has consume vast quantity of certain substance on a regular bases, the body will develop such tolerance that their body hardly produce any dopamine at all. In fact, dopamine can be lower than the regular level found in healthy adults as result of prolong drug use which alone invalidates your thesis. 

[asus killer]

1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

The people who have gambling addictions don't just "get it" it's constantly stated that they have what is known as, and this is a vague/loose term, an addictive personality.  This usually comes from things like autism rituals to depression.  Again, these sketchy doctors are failing to mention this at all.  Rather they talk about how they're getting "funding" for "research" do you see the problem I'm having with this and what actual mental health professionals are having with this?  I get where you are coming from, and I'm not saying I am a professional on the matter, but I am related to and know others who are that I talk to about this.  The point is this research is lazy because they aren't adding in various factors just stating vague definitions on top of constant mentions of funding and research lacking those factors.

if addiction was a "personal condition" and not a result of stimuli, a gambling addict for example would be a addict of about anything he tried in life, like said above: porn, sex, etc. That is not how addictions work at all. There is a reaction between the person and the addiction that does not manifest with everything it interacts with and have the ability to be addictive. What is addictive to some may not be to others, that is only a result of a drug, it manifest equal to all because it's chemical. 

 

linking addictions to laziness is a pretty good sing those doctors friends of yours are probably not the best influences in this matter.

 

 

[Nate Tsirlemes]

4 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

That's called relieving boredom, not addiction.

Because it doesn't have the addictive traits of an actual substance.   Nicotine, alcohol, hard drugs, and even caffeine have addictive traits that you are putting into your body.  They are all drugs that enter your body and stimulate your body through chemicals.  One thing that they increase is the production of is dopamine, iirc.  This causes addiction.  "Drugs are addictive because they either mimic or stimulate the production of brain chemicals that cause feelings of pleasure."  While you could argue that video games do it outside of the body that's normal stimulation for the body not a chemical overhaul of it that drugs cause.  

Can I be addicted to the competitiveness of video games??? I quit sports due to an injury and video games feeds that competitiveness in a way. Yeah sometimes I do it when I'm bored but not all the time. 

[Nate Tsirlemes]

50 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Cocaine is addictive because it changes in the brain and stimulates pleasure.  Two factors

Gaming is not addictive nor a disorder because it doesn't change the brain, mimics pleasure, nor does it cause an overhaul of things like dopamine.  It doesn't in its own right cause social issues or so on.

 

Sex can be an addiction because of our instincts mixed with an overhaul of pleasure.

 

Gambling in its own right, like gaming, is not addiction nor a disorder yet can be overdone because of mental/developmental disorders or to fuel an actual addiction, laziness, boredom, and so on.  

 

It's not as simple as "compulsive behavior" or "rewards from being pleasured!"  It's not as simple as that.  Ask any credible mental health professional.  I'm not arguing any further, and sorry but I'm going to side with actual credible mental health professionals, not someone doing bad/flawed studies.  That's not you btw that last part was at the people doing flawed research in the links.  This is my last response on this as I have other things to do.  So, we can agree to disagree.

Yes it can change you brain. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34255492  People have been doing studies for years now, especially in the recent 5 years. Theres proof it lowers your attention span and other things that I forget off the top of my head. Addicted also means, "enthusiastically devoted to a particular thing or activity.

[TurbulentWinds]

Just start programming. There's nothing like getting addicted to something else to break a habit. 

[asus killer]

8 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Cocaine is addictive because it changes in the brain and stimulates pleasure.  Two factors

Gaming is not addictive nor a disorder because it doesn't change the brain, mimics pleasure, nor does it cause an overhaul of things like dopamine.  It doesn't in its own right cause social issues or so on.

 

Sex can be an addiction because of our instincts mixed with an overhaul of pleasure.

 

Gambling in its own right, like gaming, is not addiction nor a disorder yet can be overdone because of mental/developmental disorders or to fuel an actual addiction, laziness, boredom, and so on.  

 

It's not as simple as "compulsive behavior" or "rewards from being pleasured!"  It's not as simple as that.  Ask any credible mental health professional.  I'm not arguing any further, and sorry but I'm going to side with actual credible mental health professionals, not someone doing bad/flawed studies.  That's not you btw that last part was at the people doing flawed research in the links.  This is my last response on this as I have other things to do.  So, we can agree to disagree.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/addiction/what-is-addiction

 

 

Gambling Disorder

In the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), gambling disorder is included in a new category on behavioral addictions. This reflects research findings that gambling disorder is similar to substance-related disorders in many ways. Recognizing these similarities will help people with gambling disorder get needed treatment and services, and may help others better understand the challenges.

Learn More 

 

What is Gambling Disorder?

Gambling disorder involves repeated problematic gambling behavior that causes significant problems or distress. It is also called gambling addiction or compulsive gambling.

For some people gambling becomes an addiction — the effects they get from gambling are similar to effects someone with alcoholism gets from alcohol. They can crave gambling the way someone craves alcohol or other substances. Compulsive gambling can lead to problems with finances, relationships and work, not to mention potential legal issues.

People with gambling disorder often hide their behavior. They may lie to family members and others to cover up their behavior and may turn to others for help with financial problems. Some gamblers are seeking excitement or action in gambling, others are looking more for escape or numbing.

[MrDynamicMan]

On 2/25/2018 at 9:13 AM, Sn1p3z said:

I ain't old enough, Plus that would just make it worse because I would have money and nothing to spend on so I will go back to games.

how old are you? Just make friends that dont game and pick up other home hobbies to do alone. Instead of spending your weekend doing homework and playing counterstrike, you spend your weekend hanging with friends and doing homework. It worked for me

[MrDynamicMan]

10 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Cocaine is addictive because it changes in the brain and stimulates pleasure.  Two factors

Gaming is not addictive nor a disorder because it doesn't change the brain, mimics pleasure, nor does it cause an overhaul of things like dopamine.  It doesn't in its own right cause social issues or so on.

 

Sex can be an addiction because of our instincts mixed with an overhaul of pleasure.

 

Gambling in its own right, like gaming, is not addiction nor a disorder yet can be overdone because of mental/developmental disorders or to fuel an actual addiction, laziness, boredom, and so on.  

 

It's not as simple as "compulsive behavior" or "rewards from being pleasured!"  It's not as simple as that.  Ask any credible mental health professional.  I'm not arguing any further, and sorry but I'm going to side with actual credible mental health professionals, not someone doing bad/flawed studies.  That's not you btw that last part was at the people doing flawed research in the links.  This is my last response on this as I have other things to do.  So, we can agree to disagree.

Don't confuse psychological addiction with chemical/physical addiction/dependency. Gaming and gambling can both be extremely addictive and harmful, even if unlike drugs the user doesn't develop a chemical dependency. Though Im not intimately familiar with psychological conditioning and habit forming, the semi random reward style typical of most video games (especially recent genres like Battle Royale games) is more addictive than expected rewards. Of course far more factors play into this, but generally speaking this is how it works.

 

Someone with "gaming addiction" doesnt have a specifically gaming related condition, but rather additive behaviours that have simply manifested themselves in gaming. Its not like gaming naturally makes people addicted, but addictive people are drawn to gaming because of the way the psychological reward systems work.

 

Eventually I broke my addiction to gaming but effectively replacing it with toher more productive "addictions" like socializing much more and getting a lot more stuck in with schoolwork.

[asus killer]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

You do know they update that thing because they constantly mislabel things, right?  Asperger's was previously considered a mental disorder, but in the update, it's high function autism and a developmen

That's how science works. The earth was flat before it wasn't. Still that is no reason for anyone of us to make their own science. You have an opinion, i respect that, still i prefer to trust HWO and the likes. 

[MrDynamicMan]

1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

You do know they update that thing because they constantly mislabel things, right?  Asperger's was previously considered a mental disorder, but in the update, it's high functioning autism and a developmental disorder.  

 

 

Gaming and gambling aren't addictions they are obsessions at most.  

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=9198

I'm really getting tired of this thread though.

" Dr Anjoul states, "which means we are dealing with habitual and poorly informed choices rather than biological processes that are beyond individual control."

-from the article.

 

Like I said, once again you're conflating behavioral and chemical/bioligical addictions.

[MrDynamicMan]

2 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

If you read the entire article rather than that one bit the point of it is that it isn't an addiction in the same sense.  He basically called it an obsession.  An obsession and an addiction are not the same thing.  Obsessive behaviors towards anything can be good or bad, though.

 

Also, we probably shouldn't keep arguing over this because this thread is now derailed.

Yeah sure I agree with you, we where just using words differently. 

[Canada EH]

https://www.recovery.org/topics/about-the-online-gamers-anonymous-12-step-recovery-program/

 

 

 

 

 

[Sn1p3z]

ALRIGHT!!! If it stops the arguments then I will tell you that I just can't keep myself away from games for extended amounts of time. It is like a obsession and addiction. Now plz Shut up and stop posting here because there is no point anymore.

[Majinhoju]

14 hours ago, Sn1p3z said:

ALRIGHT!!! If it stops the arguments then I will tell you that I just can't keep myself away from games for extended amounts of time. It is like a obsession and addiction. Now plz Shut up and stop posting here because there is no point anymore.

Is your gaming affecting other areas of your life?  Such as bad grades, ignoring close friends etc..?  If not I'd say just enjoy it.  If you find yourself marathon gaming each day, grades slipping, you're not eating etc... then try stepping away for a bit.

 

I gamed a hell of a lot as a kid but can't as much anymore with all my responsibilities as an adult and parent.  Part of what made my childhood so great was all the free time I had to do what I wanted and gaming was a big part of that.