Vaping

[byalexandr]

12 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

And you now want to start filling your lungs with something that's even worse... Darwinism at its best 

Vaping is not nearly as bad for you as smoking. Sure it might not be the best and we don't know the long term effects but it certainly doesn't take years off of your life like cigarettes.

[byalexandr]

I vape, I have been for the past year or so. Right now I use an iJoy Captain with a Uwell Crown III, but I've gone through several mods and tanks.

 

For the people saying it's dumb, it is one of the best ways to help quit smoking, and is a healthier alternative (no, I'm not saying it's good for you, but between that and smoking vaping is just way less harmful to your health).

[Taja]

33 minutes ago, Nuluvius said:

I'll attack it whenever it makes sense to do so as it is just another one of those undesirable, pointless, destructive and arguably obsolete habits that humans engage in. Much the same as the choice to murder animals for food when there are now viable alternatives, thus no good reason to do so other than saying that 'they taste nice'. We should be better as a race.

Which do not directly affect me or mine by proximity (like emissions do) unless the cases are especially prolific/obnoxious. That said however, those prolific/obnoxious cases do indeed warrant strong criticism.

Where have I ever told anyone in here what they should or should not be doing?

 

There is not such thing as "it makes sense". Most of human interactions arent "necessary" or "make sense", which dont make them less valid.

I agree that meat should be LESS consumed, because animal cruelty is a problem. But individual liberties should still be looked upon, and I think it is very nonsensical the idea of "being better as a race". No one, I repeat, NO ONE can tell what is better, right or wrong.

 

And finally, I wasnt saying that YOU were telling people what they should do (but I do think that you are passively doing EXACTLY that). Anyway, my criticism was general, as I am in favor of individual liberties, even when I dont agree with what the person is doing (and that happens A LOT)

 

But this discussion can go for hours, and the topic is becoming something that wasnt meant to be, and according to forum rules that is a no. If that goes on the topic will be probably closed.

[Eduard the weeb]

 

last year when I was trying to be a cool kid I did it a bunch but sense then nah also there is a shit load of people how are addicted to Vape and Cigs at school so I stopped I am fine with just begin addicted to anime, video games, and  food ( hopefully I can drop that for working out. )

 

also it is really risky for me to do things like ex drugs becuase may of my family memebers have been addictaed to substances so there is a chance I would also get hooked on it so I cannot if I care about my health.

[LtStaffel]

3 hours ago, SlipperyPete said:

nobody goes into the car/moto thread to say "i hate cars cause they are death machines"

I do. I also go into bald eagle reserves with a spray can of rogaine

[CryptoMatt]

15 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

Nope, I don't subject myself or others to popcorn lung.

You seem to not know how thays caused, only if juice uses whatever the chemical is then it’s an issue, so just stay away from butter flavored vape juice 

[TheRandomness]

People. Calm down, I don't need to lock this thread just yet, but it's on the course for that to happen.

[Eduard the weeb]

2 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

sky is green

I may or may not be color blind, but is it not lol  

 

and no I am not

[Eyb0s]

15 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

... did you read his post? I counted six articles from 2017, and at least one from 2016.

 

As far as I'm aware, 2017 is newer than 2009. Did I get the math wrong on that? Is, in fact, 2009 more recent than 2017?

 

Also, can you explain in more detail what a vape stealth "MTL" (Mouth-to-lung?) kit is? And how it functions? Researching the term, it does not seem to provide any benefit to reducing second hand emissions.

Stop hating, i didn't ask you or him to start vaping, and mtl is when you inhale small amount of vapor first in your mouth then in your lungs similar to traditional cigs, but you only need few puffs every hour

[Eyb0s]

10 hours ago, Eduard the weeb said:

 

last year when I was trying to be a cool kid I did it a bunch but sense then nah also there is a shit load of people how are addicted to Vape and Cigs at school so I stopped I am fine with just begin addicted to anime, video games, and  food ( hopefully I can drop that for working out. )

 

also it is really risky for me to do things like ex drugs becuase may of my family memebers have been addictaed to substances so there is a chance I would also get hooked on it so I cannot if I care about my health.

I understand you perfectly for me it was healthier alternative to smoking in next 6 months i will try to drop vaping.

[TheSLSAMG]

I own one and I use it occasionally. I have a Kanger Subox Mini-C and I use ApocalypseJuice's Wapatuii 0mg. I'm also not passionate about the debate that surrounds them though.

[Eyb0s]

11 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

I'll attack it whenever it makes sense to do so as it is just another one of those undesirable, pointless, destructive and arguably obsolete habits that humans engage in. Much the same as the choice to murder animals for food when there are now viable alternatives, thus no good reason to do so other than saying that 'they taste nice'. We should be better as a race

How now i understand why you keep attacking, eat some meat boiii and stop being self righteous f**go (nothing against gay people) you shouldn't care about other people and if they vape. You have big problem. 

[Nuluvius]

11 hours ago, byalexandr said:

Vaping is not nearly as bad for you as smoking. Sure it might not be the best and we don't know the long term effects but it certainly doesn't take years off of your life like cigarettes.

11 hours ago, byalexandr said:

For the people saying it's dumb, it is one of the best ways to help quit smoking, and is a healthier alternative (no, I'm not saying it's good for you, but between that and smoking vaping is just way less harmful to your health).

Did you even read any of that research? Did you miss the parts about the destruction of lung tissue and the other toxic compounds in addition to the nicotine (the virility of which is increased by the heating process)?

 

In any event what is certain is that it is far from being dumb; the marketing and propaganda is specifically aimed/targeted at the young and it works quite well. Case and point; this whole thread 

11 hours ago, Taja said:

There is not such thing as "it makes sense". Most of human interactions arent "necessary" or "make sense", which dont make them less valid.

I agree that meat should be LESS consumed, because animal cruelty is a problem. But individual liberties should still be looked upon, and I think it is very nonsensical the idea of "being better as a race". No one, I repeat, NO ONE can tell what is better, right or wrong.

Well by that line of reasoning it seems as though you are suggesting that rape, pedophilia, torture and slavery are all valid and acceptable, no? Because of individual liberties and it being meaningless in the context of how a civilization may conduct itself.

11 hours ago, Taja said:

And finally...

Finally, yet you had even more to say after that particular point... 

11 hours ago, Taja said:

I do think that you are passively doing EXACTLY that

10 hours ago, SlipperyPete said:

o i get it. you cant help but to tell others how to live their lives

19 minutes ago, Eyb0s said:

...you shouldn't care about other people and if they vape.

Because I presented some research when challenged to do so (and you didn't like what the data had to say)? I've even reiterated that I don't care what people do to themselves so long as it doesn't have a direct effect on me or mine - let Darwinism run its course.

11 hours ago, Taja said:

But this discussion can go for hours, and the topic is becoming something that wasnt meant to be, and according to forum rules that is a no. If that goes on the topic will be probably closed.

I agree with you on this point, it seems that many are getting involved for no other reason than to simply argue for the sake of it.

10 hours ago, CryptoMatt said:

You seem to not know how thays caused, only if juice uses whatever the chemical is then it’s an issue, so just stay away from butter flavored vape juice 

Perhaps you should read the thread properly before trying to field your arguments next time:

11 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

This has already been covered (as background), you should read the thread more thoroughly before trying to field your arguments.

 

35 minutes ago, Eyb0s said:

Stop hating, i didn't ask you or him to start vaping...

19 minutes ago, Eyb0s said:

How now i understand why you keep attacking, eat some meat boiii and stop being self righteous f**go...

19 minutes ago, Eyb0s said:

...gay people...

19 minutes ago, Eyb0s said:

You have big problem. 

I think that it's perhaps yourself who has a 'big problem'; can you remember how this started?

20 hours ago, Eyb0s said:

You see, you are part of problem, because you are not researching your statements:) if you will send me some articles with legit research material that vaping is worse than smoking i will pay you :)!

20 hours ago, Eyb0s said:

Ohh please send me some legit articles about popcorn lungs :), like really legit not philip morris sponsored stuff

[Taja]

3 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

Snip

Torture, pedophilia, rape and etc. Are not individual liberties, because they VIOLATE others individual liberties.

Just like being tolerant does not mean you have to tolerate the intolerants, being free does not mean everyone had the right to do everything.

And these things are DEFINETELY wrong, but they werent in the oast. Or in other places. Morality and ethics are always changing, and for the best.

I believe animal cruelty will diminish, just like human cruelty already has, but there things are painfully slow. We have a long way to go, but we are not burning witches at the cross anymore

[BuckGup]

16 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

People. Calm down, I don't need to lock this thread just yet, but it's on the course for that to happen.

 

2 hours ago, Taja said:

Torture, pedophilia, rape and etc. Are not individual liberties, because they VIOLATE others individual liberties.

Just like being tolerant does not mean you have to tolerate the intolerants, being free does not mean everyone had the right to do everything.

And these things are DEFINETELY wrong, but they werent in the oast. Or in other places. Morality and ethics are always changing, and for the best.

I believe animal cruelty will diminish, just like human cruelty already has, but there things are painfully slow. We have a long way to go, but we are not burning witches at the cross anymore

Lol went from "Hey guys do any of you vape" to this

[SlipperyPete]

6 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

 I've even reiterated that I don't care what people do to themselves so long as it doesn't have a direct effect on me or mine

if this was  the truth than you would have never commented in the first place

 

as far as vaping... i agree its stpid and it can have negative health effects. but its not my decision to make for others whether or not they should. let people make their own decisions and stay on topic inside a thread

[WkdPaul]

I just cleaned the thread.

 

Some important information was removed BECAUSE the person who posted it also insulted the OP of this thread.

 

Seriously, EVERYONE should take a deep breath (away from any smoker that is) go do some reading ;

 

 

The OP simply asked a question to have a friendly conversation going, seeing as multiple moderators had to come in and so some clean up is ridiculous. The next person that can't behave WILL receive a warning, the rules are clear ; BE RESPECTFUL (read the thread linked above).

[CryptoMatt]

8 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

Did you even read any of that research? Did you miss the parts about the destruction of lung tissue and the other toxic compounds in addition to the nicotine (the virility of which is increased by the heating process)?

 

In any event what is certain is that it is far from being dumb; the marketing and propaganda is specifically aimed/targeted at the young and it works quite well. Case and point; this whole thread 

Well by that line of reasoning it seems as though you are suggesting that rape, pedophilia, torture and slavery are all valid and acceptable, no? Because of individual liberties and it being meaningless in the context of how a civilization may conduct itself.

Finally, yet you had even more to say after that particular point... 

Because I presented some research when challenged to do so (and you didn't like what the data had to say)? I've even reiterated that I don't care what people do to themselves so long as it doesn't have a direct effect on me or mine - let Darwinism run its course.

I agree with you on this point, it seems that many are getting involved for no other reason than to simply argue for the sake of it.

Perhaps you should read the thread properly before trying to field your arguments next time:

 

I think that it's perhaps yourself who has a 'big problem'; can you remember how this started?

Lol never seen someone so wrong try to be right, I thought tryhard only existed in video games and other competitions.

 

you are wrong, yes popcorn king can happen if you buy cheap like $1 vape juice that has bad stuff in it. 

 

Yes vaping is not going to be good for our lungs that just common since even breathing the air outside is bad for your lungs due to pollution. But don’t say something will cause popcorn lung if I. Fact it would be a different diagnosis. 

 

Peoplen like you are the reason the wrong is so fucked up, insted if going off face you’ll search the internet for hours just to find a thinly sentace that proves your right even ifnit was from some 8 year old research that isn’t relavent anymore.

[byalexandr]

18 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

Did you even read any of that research? Did you miss the parts about the destruction of lung tissue and the other toxic compounds in addition to the nicotine (the virility of which is increased by the heating process)?

 

In any event what is certain is that it is far from being dumb; the marketing and propaganda is specifically aimed/targeted at the young and it works quite well. Case and point; this whole thread 

Well by that line of reasoning it seems as though you are suggesting that rape, pedophilia, torture and slavery are all valid and acceptable, no? Because of individual liberties and it being meaningless in the context of how a civilization may conduct itself.

Finally, yet you had even more to say after that particular point... 

Because I presented some research when challenged to do so (and you didn't like what the data had to say)? I've even reiterated that I don't care what people do to themselves so long as it doesn't have a direct effect on me or mine - let Darwinism run its course.

I agree with you on this point, it seems that many are getting involved for no other reason than to simply argue for the sake of it.

Perhaps you should read the thread properly before trying to field your arguments next time:

 

I think that it's perhaps yourself who has a 'big problem'; can you remember how this started?

You are completely missing the point. Yes it is bad for you, I in no way expressed that it is healthy.

 

COMPARED TO CIGARETTES it is much safer. That is the point. Yes it is bad, but it's a tool to help people remove themselves from the addiction of smoking.

[lttUser1234]

I quit smoking cigarettes in July of 2015. Have been vaping since. My vape lair is in my office on the shelves next to my computer desk. There are some chemicals that can be present in crap vape liquid like Dicaetyl (butter flavor).

 

I usually vape Max VG liquid because some people have allergies to PG. Some people use temperature control vaping to avoid high temperatures. There's lots of ways to be a safe vaper. Know your OHMs law. Acrolein is a byproduct I think of high temperature vaping, which is why some people use temperature control to avoid high temp vaping.

 

When I started I started on 24 mg liquid and now I'm at 1.5 mg about two and a half years later, almost off of nicotine.

 

In the UK on their bus tickets on the back they advocate vaping as a alternative to smoking tobacco. Unfortunately in the US the FDA considers vaping a "tobacco product" and are trying to regulate it so kids don't get hooked.

 

I have about 15 mods and just about as many RDAs, RDTAs and tanks.

 

Other than those two chemicals I mentioned I don't know anything about vaping that's dangerous in terms of the biological side of it. I would suggest anyone who smokes to stop and take up vaping.

[Guest]

I used to vape. Not really into it anymore. In my opinion its a bit silly to Vape unless you are coming off the ciggies. 

 

Really the popcorn lung and the photos of exploding vapes have put me off a lot. I also dont like how people think they should Vape in public - if there is no smoking allowed please do not vape.

 

There are some positives to Vaping though, like getting rid of ciggarettes or weed, which cause cancer. Should be temporary still however. 

 

I know theres like the whole culture and I appreciate that - if its your thing then carry on. Some people really like the taste and feel of the steam, which can be pretty nice. 

[Anjelllo]

Lol guys hit the juul in my school’s bathroom every day, and recently it’s been hard to even get a stall to do my business in. I’ve never vaped but I’d to try a flavoured variety without the nicotine cause I think flavoured steam is pretty cool.