Apple to combine macOS and iOS applications next year

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

For not having a reason to exist its rather odd that Apple has become the most valuable and profitable tech company there is.......just saying. 

Isn't samsung way bigger overall?

I mean they somehow convinced people to pay a ton of money for features a few years old on a new phone(iPhone X), and pay a ton of money for older PC hardware that overheats, so that's something I suppose.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Isn't samsung way bigger overall?

Samsung as a whole? Yes. Samsung as a tech company? No. 

 

Samsung does just about everything so comparing Apple (a tech company) to all of Samsungs devisions does not make sense. 

[captain_to_fire]

1 minute ago, William Payne said:

That is why the iMac Pro was released, though most people are waiting for the new Mac Pro that is supposed to appear next year. 

The iMac Pro is more of a stop gap for creative professionals begging Apple to release something that suits their needs without ugly, trashcan computers until they release the 2018 Mac Pro which Apple promises to be modular so I’m guessing options to add more RAM and storage drives of your own just like the 2007 Mac Pro. I wonder if Apple will consider dual socket Mac Pros using Xeon processors. 

[William Payne]

Just now, hey_yo_ said:

The iMac Pro is more of a stop gap for creative professionals begging Apple to release something that suits their needs without ugly, trashcan computers until they release the 2018 Mac Pro which Apple promises to be modular so I’m guessing options to add more RAM and storage drives of your own just like the 2007 Mac Pro. I wonder if Apple will consider dual socket Mac Pros using Xeon processors. 

Depends on what you intend to use it for really, singe threaded work, multi threaded work, will your use use both cpu's or all cores. 

 

I have a 2010 mac pro personally. Plenty I can upgrade in it. In fact sitting in it right now running quite happily is a Quadro p4000

[Evelyn Harthbrooke]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Isn't samsung way bigger overall?

I mean they somehow convinced people to pay a ton of money for features a few years old on a new phone(iPhone X), and pay a ton of money for older PC hardware that overheats, so that's something I suppose.

No, actually. They are valued at $294 billion, while Apple is valued at almost $900B (currently sitting at $895B as of latest closing).

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

Totally related to my first thought for it, it's totally going to happen.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-mac-iphone-ipad-unification-what-does-it-mean-2017-12

 

Apple's bold new plan to keep the Mac relevant could actually be a big sign that the iPad will replace it

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

the iPad will replace it

 

[William Payne]

The only people going on about the relevancy of Mac's are people who don't use them. 

[Evelyn Harthbrooke]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Totally related to my first thought for it, it's totally going to happen.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-mac-iphone-ipad-unification-what-does-it-mean-2017-12

 

Apple's bold new plan to keep the Mac relevant could actually be a big sign that the iPad will replace it

 

Uh, I find that to be highly unlikely. No iPad will replace Mac computers, as Mac computers are far more flexible in what they can do.

[ScratchCat]

UWP also had a large target market because of the Xbox One and it still failed. The UI concepts are too different , the developer would have to rescale all of the UI as well as rewrite the navigation system.

[vorticalbox]

Isn't this what Microsoft tried and failed to do? 

[Not_Jony_Ive]

We will do whatever the fuck we want before we correct all the bugs in current OS. 

 

[Crossbred]

iPad Pro = actual surface competitor?

[Guest]

I see people arguing over why universal iOS/Mac apps would succeed where UWP failed, but I haven't seen anyone addressing the concerns of different UI paradigms (People bring it up, but it seems like no one is continuing that part of the discussion )

 

On topic: I'm curious to see how they will do their approach, especially considering UWP and Ubuntu's past efforts.

10 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

iOS applications can be developed way faster, put to market much faster, and updated much faster. The finished product is just cheaper because its supposed to be designed for as many people as possible. 

How so? I find it doubtful that there is much of a gap in time/speed. As for being cheaper, the included argument doesn't hold well to me since you can design an app on either platform for as many people as possible. Intent doesn't matter much unless the platform's tools are superior/inferior for your purpose. (If this was argued against UWP then that would be one thing, but traditional desktop development has had a long time to grow.)

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[Doobeedoo]

That's, interesting. I remember them mentioning they wouldn't go that route cause it wouldn't make sense. 

[DrMacintosh]

3 hours ago, tjcater said:

I find it doubtful that there is much of a gap in time/speed. As for being cheaper, the included argument doesn't hold well to me since you can design an app on either platform for as many people as possible.

There is. A mobile app is not where near as complex as any Desktop software that you think you could market to outsell a mobile app. Those same apps also have their respective app stores behind them versus having to host your own servers or go through some janky software redistribution system or host website. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, Doobeedoo said:

That's, interesting. I remember them mentioning they wouldn't go that route cause it wouldn't make sense. 

Apple said they wouldn’t do touchscreen Macs since touchscreen PCs don’t make sense. 

 

I dont recall them ever saying that they would never port iOS apps to macOS.

[DrMacintosh]

3 hours ago, tjcater said:

but I haven't seen anyone addressing the concerns of different UI paradigms

What concerns are there?

 

macOS and iOS are stylistically the same and these apps would not be running as if they were on an iPhone but on your Mac, they would adapt to accept Trackpad input keyboard input. 

[Matu20]

It's about time, both are closed ecosystems and managed in house.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

There is. A mobile app is not where near as complex as any Desktop software that you think you could market to outsell a mobile app.

How would a desktop application be more complex than a mobile one when they are designed to do the same thing? Unless you mean that users find less polish to be acceptable on mobile versus an equivalent desktop solution.

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Those same apps also have their respective app stores behind them versus having to host your own servers or go through some janky software redistribution system or host website. 

Well I can't deny the simplicity behind App Stores, but it still holds true that you can bring your application to market just as quick (If not quicker depending on how much Apple verifies Apps/updates) using these "janky" solutions.

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

What concerns are there?

 

macOS and iOS are stylistically the same and these apps would not be running as if they were on an iPhone but on your Mac, they would adapt to accept Trackpad input keyboard input. 

How users interact with programs, gestures (which you just addressed ), changes in API usage, how devs design around targeting multiple platforms (We will definitely end up seeing a new design outline being released, so this is a lesser one), etc.

[Doobeedoo]

29 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Apple said they wouldn’t do touchscreen Macs since touchscreen PCs don’t make sense. 

 

I dont recall them ever saying that they would never port iOS apps to macOS.

It was more about iOS and macOS merge talk though. Some were wondering would they do that eventually though, but they mentioned that what you said and some other stuff.

[DrMacintosh]

59 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

It was more about iOS and macOS merge talk though. Some were wondering would they do that eventually though, but they mentioned that what you said and some other stuff.

Ahh this was around the time people wanted to know if Apple would merge the two for the iPad, which they still don't want to do. 

[XenosTech]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Why UWP failed is self explanatory. 

 

Windows Phone is nothing. Windows and the Xbox is not enough, you need a mobile presence which MS simply does not have. 

lol now you're talking out your rectum... MS makes most of it's money from enterprise much like intel. They don't need mobile presence to make money when businesses fork out heaps of cash for licences for windows alone

[Sauron]

This is a bad idea for the same reason UWP is a bad idea.

14 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

But then the Mac becomes Windows 10S and nobody wants Windows 10S

At least macOS on arm wouldn't give up the only reason to use it over another os. Windows 10 is only relevant because of compatibility, Windows 10S gives that up and you might as well just use android, chromeos or a gnu/linux distribution at that point.

 

Either way it wouldn't surprise me if they just moved to arm for the macbook line (or just ditched it in favour of an ipad with mac os). An apple designed pc chip has been in the air for quite a while.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

And it'll all likelihood work in Apple's favour despite how much a failure it was for Microsoft's modern applications.