Epic BURN By Mom

[paddy-stone]

53 minutes ago, apm said:

they already banned him 9 times and they tried to take down the video, but the kid countered it. 

what else can they do?

In that case he had fair warning, and he deserves to be sued for future earnings (if any). I don't think his parents should be sued though, that's unreasonable to me, they should though be told to have better control over what their kid does.

[Sfekke]

1 hour ago, JuztBe said:

(from the soruce)

That kid is cheating on more games, not only Fortnite.

It would be one thing if kid actually realised that what he's doing is wrong, but he truly believes that he's in the right here. That cheating is ok if you are doing for fun.

 

Hopefully EPIC doesn't back off, fallows this trough and wins. 

Cheating/modding is fine depending on when and with who you use it!

Read my previous post.

If you and some friends in a private CoD Zombies game mod, why is that a problem (Aside from the leaderboard, but easy fix just give an option to opt out).

You are just ruining/enriching your own experience.

But cheating in public games with tools like Aimbot/wallhack - esp/level boosting is wrong, you are not only affecting yourself but also others.

 

TL;DR

 

If a cheater/modder doesn't affect my game and doesn't make my experience better or worse, I'm fine with it.

If the cheater is my friend and I agree, why is that wrong? I used to have an alt just for BO2 map mods. It added more fun, but was ban-able for some inexplicable reason.

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 hour ago, JuztBe said:

 

i take back my previous statement, that kid deserves to get sued. 

[JuztBe]

5 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

Cheating/modding is fine depending on when and with who you use it!

Read my previous post.

If you and some friends in a private CoD Zombies game mod, why is that a problem (Aside from the leaderboard, but easy fix just give an option to opt out).

You are just ruining/enriching your own experience.

But cheating in public games with tools like Aimbot/wallhack - esp/level boosting is wrong, you are not only affecting yourself but also others.

 

TL;DR

 

If a cheater/modder doesn't affect my game and doesn't make my experience better or worse, I'm fine with it.

If the cheater is my friend and I agree, why is that wrong? I used to have an alt just for BO2 map mods. It added more fun, but was ban-able for some inexplicable reason.

Yeah. I never said it's not alright to cheat in certain cases.

But that that guy isn't cheating in private servers with friend or SP games. He's cheating in multiple games public servers, breaking EULA and another player experience. And the most infuriating thing is that kid believes he's in the right there.

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

but for how much in terms of punishment...?

 

I'm drawing parallels with Amos Yee here (albeit a little too hyperbolic in circumstances). look him up on google.

i know who famous amos is lah

[Herman Mcpootis]

38 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

nahbeh this world how small sia

not this world lah dey, its just singapore 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Your signature is very relevant, you must be in dreamland if you want some kid cheating on TF2 to be fined $500 by the government. Get real.

2 words:

South Korea.

 

the government reimburses people for digital goods. 

[Sfekke]

2 hours ago, JuztBe said:

Yeah. I never said it's not alright to cheat in certain cases.

But that that guy isn't cheating in private servers with friend or SP games. He's cheating in multiple games public servers, breaking EULA and another player experience. And the most infuriating thing is that kid believes he's in the right there.

Yes I actually know that, it is very clear judging by the video you can find of him play GTA: Online.

But I just wanted to point out my standpoint on cheating, not talk good what this spoiled brat is doing!

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Sfekke said:

Cheating/modding is fine depending on when and with who you use it!

Read my previous post.

If you and some friends in a private CoD Zombies game mod, why is that a problem (Aside from the leaderboard, but easy fix just give an option to opt out).

You are just ruining/enriching your own experience.

But cheating in public games with tools like Aimbot/wallhack - esp/level boosting is wrong, you are not only affecting yourself but also others.

 

TL;DR

 

If a cheater/modder doesn't affect my game and doesn't make my experience better or worse, I'm fine with it.

If the cheater is my friend and I agree, why is that wrong? I used to have an alt just for BO2 map mods. It added more fun, but was ban-able for some inexplicable reason.

Yeppers. I use lots of mods in Battlefront 2015, some of which buff weapons or change stats or tweak star cards. But I only use them in offline skirmish mode. If I used them in online it’d be cheats or might crash my game, but offline they’re just more fun. I still run cosmetic mods (mostly skins) in multiplayer because it makes it look nicer, but I don’t use any gameplay changing ones. It’s the same as glitches, I consider those basically hacks that were accidentally put in the game, so basically cheating. Anything that changes the gameplay or how it’s meant to be on a public server is cheating, but offline or with friends it’s fine. 

[Sfekke]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeppers. I use lots of mods in Battlefront 2015, some of which buff weapons or change stats or tweak star cards. But I only use them in offline skirmish mode. If I used them in online it’d be cheats or might crash my game, but offline they’re just more fun. I still run cosmetic mods (mostly skins) in multiplayer because it makes it look nicer, but I don’t use any gameplay changing ones. It’s the same as glitches, I consider those basically hacks that were accidentally put in the game. 

That is what I mean.

Developers lock out the "good modders/cheaters" that just aim to get some ludicrous moments on their own or with people that agreed to play with said tools.

I'm not saying everyone should agree with this, but are we really bothering you?

All I do is get some new content or just cheat my way to wave 80 just to be killed by a glitch.

In my opinion there are 2 types of cheaters

1. Cheaters that affect other players, ruining or enriching their experience (Which one of the two depends on who you ask)
   • I consider this the "bad kind"
2. Cheaters that have permission from people they know and only have them in a private match or play solo ruining or enreching their experience.
   • I consider this the "good kind"

Edited November 28, 2017 by Sfekke
Fixed some of the layout

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

That is what I mean.

Developers lock out the "good modders/cheaters" that just aim to get some ludicrous moments on their own or with people that agreed to play with said tools.

I'm not saying everyone should agree with this, but are we really bothering you?

All I do is get some new content or just cheat my way to wave 80 just to be killed by a glitch.

In my opinion there are 2 types of cheaters

1. Cheaters that affect other players, ruining or enriching their experience (Which one of the two depends on who you ask)

• I consider this the "bad kind"

1. Cheaters that have permission from people they know and only have them in a private match or play solo ruining or enreching their experience.
   • I consider this the "good kind"

Really, using “cheats” by yourself or with friends is modding (see how big then modding community is for games ranging from Minecraft to Battlefrotn II 2005. There are tons of gameplay changing mods that make games more fun to play). Using gameplay changing mods online in a public setting is cheating. 

[Sfekke]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Really, using “cheats” by yourself or with friends is modding (see how big then modding community is for games ranging from Minecraft to Battlefrotn II 2005. There are tons of gameplay changing mods that make games more fun to play). Using gameplay changing mods online in a public setting is cheating. 

True, but I call it cheating since I really do not want to piss anyone off here.

Using Minecraft mods is considered okay, while getting more maps into lets say Black Ops 1 Zombies would be a crime worth a VAC ban? (Reason I use an alt for that)

Both just add items to a game, and still both treat it differently. Curious to say the very least.

[DocSwag]

Honestly this kid sounds like a dick. While $150,000 is a lot he kinda needs to learn his lesson.

[Sfekke]

Just now, DocSwag said:

Honestly this kid sounds like a dick. While $150,000 is a lot he kinda needs to learn his lesson.

He does, the way he goes about it lightly making it sound okay.

Disgusting spoiled brat, it sounds harsh .. but when it is true .. it sadly is true, you have to tell him what he is.

If I did that age 14 my mother would have

1. Killed me for going in an online game with violent shooting or just killing for fun. (Without asking since it is F2P) Unless I asked it was wrong.
2. Made me pay for part of that fine and excuse myself.
3. Restrict my internet access until I moved out. Aka monitor every move, so that is bye bye to pr0nh*b (Not that I actually use that )
4. Tell me it isn't okay to cheat anywhere, the easy way is not always the best way.

That is what I'd get.

We got monitored at that age, until I aged up to 15 installing any new game or program (On my own system, not a shared PC) had to be asked for.

I always did that and never ended up in trouble with me relatives or online meetups.

[michaelocarroll007]

5 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

While this case itself is ridiculous, and his age group restricted from adult prosecution (at least here, across the pond), I do feel that cheating in videogames should be punishable by more than just a "ban". While this is an excessive display of power and a ridiculous fine, cheaters should know they fucked up and get fined for something around $500 at first, with an added $500 each time they're caught again. Cheating destroys games, so cheaters should be destroyed with them.

Very Few if any developer would care to go after someone for cheating for the price of $500 and the government  wouldn't go through the trouble of prosecuting and confirming/ convicting people at that price. its just such a minor Dumb thing that it makes no sense to chase after. on top of that this stuff takes forever months to years of hearings to come to the conclusion. 

 

At the end of the day the developer making the game hard to cheat in and then banning cheaters is the simplest most efficient way. This leads to what 0.01% of people cheating? and barley affects 99.9% of games to any point that its game changing. that 1 in 1000 games that you think might have been a cheater is about all it usually amounts too. 

[Nicnac]

That little Shitwit deserves his lawsuit

 

Interesting side note: He basically made Epic sue him. They filed a DCMA on his videos which is understandable as he was showing exploits of the game and encouraging others to break the terms of service. Upon this the guy wrote to them asking for his videos to be made available again. Now This caused Epic to file the lawsuit as you can't have a DCMA'd video at this point without a legal justification. So he in fact prompted them to go the next step. 

Should've just kept his mouth shut and nothing woulda happened...

[Taja]

7 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

While this case itself is ridiculous, and his age group restricted from adult prosecution (at least here, across the pond), I do feel that cheating in videogames should be punishable by more than just a "ban". While this is an excessive display of power and a ridiculous fine, cheaters should know they fucked up and get fined for something around $500 at first, with an added $500 each time they're caught again. Cheating destroys games, so cheaters should be destroyed with them.

Well, that is very harsh. And unrealistic also, but I understand where it comes from, as some games DIE because of cheating.

But I agree that penalties should be severe, just not like that. A fine would involve the government, and politics CANT start messing with games, they would make more damage than the cheaters.

[Dygear]

For some reason, I also am not a fan of cheating myself in a video game. I feel like there is some moral standard that I must uphold. But at the end of the day, it's game I really don't care if other people cheat. (Maybe because I haven't had time for gaming at all in the past 5 years that I really don't care anymore.) But suing the people who are cheating seems a little nuts to me. Why not just quarantine them into a cheaters group and call it a day. It's always going to be a bad PR move to sue your customers.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

6 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

but for how much in terms of punishment...?

firing squad

[mr moose]

8 hours ago, apm said:

they already banned him 9 times and they tried to take down the video, but the kid countered it. 

what else can they do?

I didn't know he was already banned that many times. 

[Master Disaster]

I'm surprised his has taken so long to reach mainstream, everyone's favourite lawyer covered this last week.

 

The important things, a minor can enter a legal contract without parents permission, suing a child is probably OK, the kid is guilty of what he's being accused and his mom effectively handed the prosecutors a signed confession.

 

Oh and as for them doxxing him? Yeah, no. They're suing him, his name will be fully available on public records because of this fact and apparently him being a minor doesn't change anything under Delaware law.

 

This folks is why you don't go writing a legal letter without running it by a real lawyer first.

[Paranoid Kami]

He's a chronic cheater and he has no remorse whatsoever. Screw him.

[SansVarnic]

Epic could have just filed to have the video taken down and be done with it. Suing for monetary compensation is whats going to get them burned in court.

The lawyer Mom Is correct and Epic is in the wrong here with how this went down.

 

If Epic had done its due diligence :roll_eyes: the they would have filed only to take down the videos with-out asking for an obvious (non) loss of profit. How they figured they would get monetary gain out of this would only be that they gambled that the kid had gullible/ignorant parents and lost hard on that gamble.

 

*edit

I in no way am defending the child's actions, but from a legal standpoint Epic is wrong in it actions.

 

[SansVarnic]

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[ItsMitch]

This kid been cocky as shit, hope he gets slammed hard, wasn't even a epic burn at all. Epic is protecting their property and primarily their DMCA which might I add in big bold letters, THEY NEED TO TAKE HIM TO COURT TO KEEP THE DMCA AND THE VIDEO DOWN.