Coffee Lake vs Ryzen?

[Fictionvl]

Hello

 

So basically, I'm planning on getting a new rig, and I want to know how these two perform in actual daily usage rather than synthetic benchmarks

 

I've heard that coffee lake stutters more, but im not sure about ryzen.

 

I'm on intel's side, since im planning on getting coffee lake but i want to know for sure that it will be worth it

[SquintyG33Rs]

if you're asking the question coffee lake is 99% sure to be what you need/want

[Mooshi]

Ryzen is a nice platform, don't get me wrong. You're just not gonna get those nice 5Ghz overclocks.

 

If the 7700k wasn't such a disappointing "upgrade" over the 6700k (previous system given to my GF when hers was failing), I might have stayed with Intel.

 

Current market, a 6core i5 is compelling.

[Streetguru]

24 minutes ago, Fictionvl said:

 

What are you doing with your PC? what resolution/refresh rate? What GPU?

[suh))))))))))))]

i saw a ryzen 7 1700x on newegg on sale for 270$ a couple weeks ago thats a pretty sweet deal

[Enderman]

8700K is the best option if you can afford it.

If you're on a budget and you game a lot then an 8600k is better.

If you're on a budget and you render/stream a lot, then a 1700X is better.

If you're on an even lower budget, get R5.

[Fictionvl]

34 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Ryzen is a nice platform, don't get me wrong. You're just not gonna get those nice 5Ghz overclocks.

 

If the 7700k wasn't such a disappointing "upgrade" over the 6700k (previous system given to my GF when hers was failing), I might have stayed with Intel.

 

Current market, a 6core i5 is compelling.

I'm planning on getting the 8600k but if the 8700k was available i'll get that instead. also I'll delid it, since i recently ordered the delid tool.

 

21 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

What are you doing with your PC? what resolution/refresh rate? What GPU?

Gaming mostly 1440p 144Hz, CPU and GPU intensive games, planetside, PUBG arma 3 etc

on a GTX 1080 Ti.

 

17 minutes ago, suh)))))))))))) said:

i saw a ryzen 7 1700x on newegg on sale for 270$ a couple weeks ago thats a pretty sweet deal

money isnt a problem, i just want to know which will perform better in real life.

 

8 minutes ago, Enderman said:

8700K is the best option if you can afford it.

If you're on a budget and you game a lot then an 8600k is better.

If you're on a budget and you render/stream a lot, then a 1700X is better.

If you're on an even lower budget, get R5.

it just depends on if its available or not tbh

[Streetguru]

Just now, Fictionvl said:

 

Well for pure 144hz gaming just wait for the 8700K, Delid it and OC it to 5ghz and it's unmatched

Or if you're fine with 100fps or so in AAA games get Ryzen 5 1600/R7 1700, I have a 144hz display and I can tell you Ryzen works fine. though I don't really care about refresh rates really.

[Fictionvl]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Well for pure 144hz gaming just wait for the 8700K, Delid it and OC it to 5ghz and it's unmatched

Or if you're fine with 100fps or so in AAA games get Ryzen 5 1600/R7 1700, I have a 144hz display and I can tell you Ryzen works fine. though I don't really care about refresh rates really.

if i'm getting a 144Hz 1440p I'm planning to play and achieve that refresh rate in fps

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Fictionvl said:

if i'm getting a 144Hz 1440p I'm planning to play and achieve that refresh rate in fps

Do you think you can notice the difference between 100fps avg and 144fps average?

Also if price isn't a factor did you consider a 21:9 1440p 100-144hz display?

[Fictionvl]

2 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Do you think you can notice the difference between 100fps avg and 144fps average?

Also if price isn't a factor did you consider a 21:9 1440p 100-144hz display?

Acer predator X34 is what im planning to get actually  

[just_dave]

44 minutes ago, Fictionvl said:

Acer predator X34 is what im planning to get actually  

For 100Hz, Ryzen 7 will be completely fine. In newest good-optimized titles it can push 150+ FPS (Destiny 2 for example, Wolfenstein 2 TNC most likely too),

I'd get Ryzen and X370 mobo, you'll have easier time cooling it.

For 144Hz, i'd say its Ryzen's roof but i saw it pushing 200+ FPS in 1080p, so it doesn't lag behind signicantly.

[epsilon84]

2 hours ago, dave_k said:

For 100Hz, Ryzen 7 will be completely fine. In newest good-optimized titles it can push 150+ FPS (Destiny 2 for example, Wolfenstein 2 TNC most likely too),

I'd get Ryzen and X370 mobo, you'll have easier time cooling it.

For 144Hz, i'd say its Ryzen's roof but i saw it pushing 200+ FPS in 1080p, so it doesn't lag behind signicantly.

Highly doubt a Ryzen 7 can hold anywhere close to 150fps on CPU demanding MP titles like BF1 or PUBG. Heck, a 4GHz Ryzen can't even hold 60fps mins on PUBG: (at 2:01)

 

CFL absolutely dominates Ryzen in non GPU bound 1080P gaming. 100Hz or 144Hz, I would go CFL all the way. Of course, at 1440P the gap naturally narrows a lot due to GPU limitations, but why would you go for the slower platform? What happens when you upgrade your GPU in a years time to a GTX 2080 Ti? You'll be thankful you're running a CFL chip and not Ryzen, its all about the amount of overhead CFL has over Ryzen when it comes to gaming.

[just_dave]

13 minutes ago, epsilon84 said:

Highly doubt a Ryzen 7 can hold anywhere close to 150fps on CPU demanding MP titles like BF1 or PUBG. Heck, a 4GHz Ryzen can't even hold 60fps mins on PUBG: (at 2:01)

 

CFL absolutely dominates Ryzen in non GPU bound 1080P gaming. 100Hz or 144Hz, I would go CFL all the way. Of course, at 1440P the gap naturally narrows a lot due to GPU limitations, but why would you go for the slower platform? What happens when you upgrade your GPU in a years time to a GTX 2080 Ti? You'll be thankful you're running a CFL chip and not Ryzen, its all about the amount of overhead CFL has over Ryzen when it comes to gaming.

In years of time, you will be stuck with a miserable pocket heater 14nm++++++++++++++ chip, while AM4 guys will rock 7nm or 7nm+ CPU.

I was referring to this video where it ran at high FPS no problem.

Heck, my 1600 at stock can push 300+ FPS in CSGO (3066 C14 memory), such monitor doesnt even exist lol. Also, games like Overwatch are optimized for higher core count CPUs. The only reason why Ryzen lacks behind in older, non patched games is their awful optimization

 

[epsilon84]

LOL, my 6 year old 2600K can push those kind of framerates in CS:GO or Overwatch, that's nothing special to brag about.

 

In CPU intensive MP games like BF1 MP or PUBG, Ryzen falls behind CFL. That is a simple fact. 

[just_dave]

3 minutes ago, epsilon84 said:

LOL, my 6 year old 2600K can push those kind of framerates in CS:GO or Overwatch, that's nothing special to brag about.

 

In CPU intensive MP games like BF1 MP or PUBG, Ryzen falls behind CFL. That is a simple fact. 

Yeah sure, but it would dumb buying CPU based only on 20FPS difference in shitty optimized titles

[MyName13]

47 minutes ago, dave_k said:

In years of time, you will be stuck with a miserable pocket heater 14nm++++++++++++++ chip, while AM4 guys will rock 7nm or 7nm+ CPU.

I was referring to this video where it ran at high FPS no problem.

Heck, my 1600 at stock can push 300+ FPS in CSGO (3066 C14 memory), such monitor doesnt even exist lol. Also, games like Overwatch are optimized for higher core count CPUs. The only reason why Ryzen lacks behind in older, non patched games is their awful optimization

 

But these miserable coffee lakes dominate in gaming (even i5 8400), we've seen how nice that upgrade path was for bulldozer owners.There's no point of buying an inferior CPU just to upgrade it in the future.

[just_dave]

5 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

But these miserable coffee lakes dominate in gaming (even i5 8400), we've seen how nice that upgrade path was for bulldozer owners.There's no point of buying an inferior CPU just to upgrade it in the future.

Bulldozer was doomed from the beginning but Zen has a huge headroom. Completely new 12nm FinFET next year and 7nm FinFET in 2019.

AMD has options and i think they should ask the community what they want.

Pure performance increase (40% with 7nm) while having same power draw, super power efficiency (55% more efficient than 14nm) and the same performance or something between those two.

 

[Jon Jon]

I was waiting for the arguing to start in this thread LOL.

 

As for the OP, you clearly have a limitless budget, so I would suggest getting the 8700K, De-lid it, get a 240MM AIO at the minimum (or high end Air Cooler), and get it to that 5ghz sweet spot.

 

I would even argue going with a 360MM AIO just because of the high temps with CFL, but I imagine with the de-lid, you will drop those temps to more acceptable ranges.

 

As for the debate going on here, I have to agree with @dave_k, you don't make purchases on small differences and not based on use cases that are not your own.

 

The facts are that CFL is better for 144hz gaming, period. If you aren't targeting those frames, you do have wiggle room.

 

We have also seen that an i7 8700K in multi-threaded tasks typically matches a Ryzen 7 part, give or take applications optimized more for strong clockspeed (Adobe Suite).

 

Make recommendations based on the use case and budget.

So, as I said above, limitless budget, delid the i7-8700K and strap a high end cooler so you don't need to blink at the temps.

 

 

[MyName13]

21 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Bulldozer was doomed from the beginning but Zen has a huge headroom. Completely new 12nm FinFET next year and 7nm FinFET in 2019.

AMD has options and i think they should ask the community what they want.

Pure performance increase (40% with 7nm) while having same power draw, super power efficiency (55% more efficient than 14nm) and the same performance or something between those two.

 

Zen can be doomed too if Intel responds with 8 core i5s and i7s, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens (not to mention that Coffee lake changed the number of threads in lineups, i3 and i5 used to have the same number of threads, now they don't, 4c8t i3 and 8c8t i5 might be the next move).Besides, Zen 2 will come out in a year or two, I highly doubt people upgrade that often (and those who do clearly care about peformance, i5 8600k even comes close to r7 1700 in some multithreaded tasks).

[Streetguru]

3 hours ago, epsilon84 said:

Ryzen can't even hold 60fps mins on PUBG: (at 2:01)

*As far as future upgrades go it really doesn't matter what you get now so long as it's high end. In his case if money isn't an issue he can just toss out the motherboard and switch platforms if Ryzen is magically hitting 5ghz and has 6 core per CCX chips out.

Nothing can run PUBG at any reasonable frame rate, it's probably still as bad as Ark.

Also BF1 is pretty close, not sure if that was with a 1080 or 1080ti

[Polakki]

Coffee lake sure. 8600k or 8700k..

[Zeitec]

11 hours ago, Fictionvl said:

Hello

 

So basically, I'm planning on getting a new rig, and I want to know how these two perform in actual daily usage rather than synthetic benchmarks

 

I've heard that coffee lake stutters more, but im not sure about ryzen.

 

I'm on intel's side, since im planning on getting coffee lake but i want to know for sure that it will be worth it

In daily windows usage, coffee lake is faster. In gaming, coffee lake is faster. In Adobe, they trade blows IIRC, not sure about other stuff.