Upgrading Rig

[A. Munsif]

Im planning to upgrade my rig since the mobo died(from a lightning). And now i do a lot of editing(premier pro and lightroom). So planning to upgrade it for better productivity.

 

my current rig is:

Intel Xeon E3-1230V3
Kingston 8gb (value stick)
Asrock Fatal1ty H87 Performance
Seasonic S12II 620W
Silver Stone AR02
Asus GTX770 Direct CU II OC

 

And im planning to upgrade the cpu(mobo and ram included) first and reuse the other parts(GPU, PSU, casing, ssd and hdd).

 

Should i get Ryzen 7 1700 or i7 8700?

and which mobo n ram should be the best.

From Malaysia with a budget around 700USD more or less. 

[Lurick]

What's your budget?

Location?

[A. Munsif]

Im from Malaysia and my budget is around 2-3k Malaysian Ringgit, so about 700 usd.

[King_of_Oz]

Go for ryzen 7.

[A. Munsif]

1 hour ago, King_of_Oz said:

Go for ryzen 7.

What about the motherboard and ram? 

[Lurick]

23 minutes ago, A. Munsif said:

What about the motherboard and ram? 

Processor:

https://www.lazada.com.my/amd-socket-am4-ryzen-7-1700-30ghz-processor-22754905.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.2f4368b3i84vpR&ff=1&sc=EWs=

Motherboard:

https://www.lazada.com.my/msi-motherboard-amd-am4-b350m-mortar-arcticnbsp-68685396.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.56edc8delv4JKw&ff=1&sc=EWs=

or 

https://www.lazada.com.my/asus-prime-b350m-a-micro-atx-ryzen-motherboard-am4-b350-vga-dvihdmi-usb-31-gen-1-amp-gen-2-36179215.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.56edc8delv4JKw&ff=1&sc=EWs=

RAM:

https://www.lazada.com.my/gskill-trident-z-rgb-gskill-f4-3200c16d-16gtzr-29200020.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.61dcf4a5EN98AN&ff=1&sc=EWs=

[A. Munsif]

5 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Processor:

https://www.lazada.com.my/amd-socket-am4-ryzen-7-1700-30ghz-processor-22754905.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.2f4368b3i84vpR&ff=1&sc=EWs=

Motherboard:

https://www.lazada.com.my/msi-motherboard-amd-am4-b350m-mortar-arcticnbsp-68685396.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.56edc8delv4JKw&ff=1&sc=EWs=

or 

https://www.lazada.com.my/asus-prime-b350m-a-micro-atx-ryzen-motherboard-am4-b350-vga-dvihdmi-usb-31-gen-1-amp-gen-2-36179215.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.56edc8delv4JKw&ff=1&sc=EWs=

RAM:

https://www.lazada.com.my/gskill-trident-z-rgb-gskill-f4-3200c16d-16gtzr-29200020.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.61dcf4a5EN98AN&ff=1&sc=EWs=

So a ryzen is definitely a better choice over coffee lake 8700?

 

Will the ram works without issues with the boards? I heard that the amd chipset is kinda picky with rams.

Edited November 4, 2017 by A. Munsif

[Lurick]

Just now, A. Munsif said:

So a ryzen is definitely a better choice over coffee lake 8700k? 

 

Will the ram works without issues with the boards? I heard that the amd chipset is kinda picky with rams.

The 8700K doesn't come with a cooler but if you can fit this plus a cooler into your budget, then go for it:

https://www.lazada.com.my/intel-processor-socket1151-core-i7-8700k-37ghz-bx80684i78700k-bundle-with-motherboard-only-117622351.html?spm=a2o4k.search.0.0.18457d16U9nWTq&ff=1

https://www.lazada.com.my/gskill-trident-z-rgb-gskill-f4-3200c16d-16gtzr-29200020.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.61dcf4a5EN98AN&ff=1&sc=EWs=

https://www.lazada.com.my/msi-atx-motherboard-motherboards-z370-a-pro-109842957.html?spm=a2o4k.search.0.0.2394e9dfdIu4NL&ff=1

 

Maybe this:

https://www.lazada.com.my/cryorig-h7-cpu-cooler-fan-tower-heatsink-black-12252405.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.16bf69eqfObO5&ff=1&sc=EWs=

or

https://www.lazada.com.my/cooler-master-hyper-212-turbo-black-cpu-coolercm-rr-212tk-16pr-r1-56827932.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.16bf69eqfObO5&ff=1&sc=EWs=

[A. Munsif]

So betw

7 minutes ago, Lurick said:

The 8700K doesn't come with a cooler but if you can fit this plus a cooler into your budget, then go for it:

https://www.lazada.com.my/intel-processor-socket1151-core-i7-8700k-37ghz-bx80684i78700k-bundle-with-motherboard-only-117622351.html?spm=a2o4k.search.0.0.18457d16U9nWTq&ff=1

https://www.lazada.com.my/gskill-trident-z-rgb-gskill-f4-3200c16d-16gtzr-29200020.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.61dcf4a5EN98AN&ff=1&sc=EWs=

https://www.lazada.com.my/msi-atx-motherboard-motherboards-z370-a-pro-109842957.html?spm=a2o4k.search.0.0.2394e9dfdIu4NL&ff=1

 

Maybe this:

https://www.lazada.com.my/cryorig-h7-cpu-cooler-fan-tower-heatsink-black-12252405.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.16bf69eqfObO5&ff=1&sc=EWs=

or

https://www.lazada.com.my/cooler-master-hyper-212-turbo-black-cpu-coolercm-rr-212tk-16pr-r1-56827932.html?spm=a2o4k.category.0.0.16bf69eqfObO5&ff=1&sc=EWs=

So between r7 and i7 which offer a better performance in rendering because thats the main purpose for me to be upgrading.

 

I’m confused between these two with r7 having more core and thread and a larger cache yet reviews show that i7 8700 perform faster with windows experience because of its ipc performance and higher clock speed?

[Lurick]

35 minutes ago, A. Munsif said:

So betw

So between r7 and i7 which offer a better performance in rendering because thats the main purpose for me to be upgrading.

 

I’m confused between these two with r7 having more core and thread and a larger cache yet reviews show that i7 8700 perform faster with windows experience because of its ipc performance and higher clock speed?

Yah, if you're going to spend at least 50% of your time gaming then I would go for the i7 but if you're doing mostly rendering AND the programs can take advantage of the extra cores, then the R7 is better.

[just_dave]

Be careful which mobo you pick for R7

[A. Munsif]

10 hours ago, dave_k said:

Be careful which mobo you pick for R7

Is the msi b350 mortar enough to overclock it to 4.0GHz? And ram to 3200?

or is there a better mobo within my budget?

[just_dave]

2 hours ago, A. Munsif said:

Is the msi b350 mortar enough to overclock it to 4.0GHz? And ram to 3200?

or is there a better mobo within my budget?

No, any B350 isnt able to overclock R7 without cooking itself

[Ordinarily_Greater]

2 hours ago, A. Munsif said:

Is the msi b350 mortar enough to overclock it to 4.0GHz? And ram to 3200?

or is there a better mobo within my budget?

there is actually, Asus X370-Pro Prime -or B350-F Strix-

[just_dave]

2 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

there is actually, Asus X370-Pro Prime or B350-F Strix

B350-f will cook itself, still B350 cheap junk

[Ordinarily_Greater]

Just now, dave_k said:

B350-f will cook itself, still B350 cheap junk

oh yeah, but since he said budget level i was aware...

will edit this

[lukart]

4 hours ago, A. Munsif said:

Is the msi b350 mortar enough to overclock it to 4.0GHz? And ram to 3200?

or is there a better mobo within my budget?

Try this one, is a great board for the price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h8DzK8/asrock-x370-gaming-x-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-x

[just_dave]

1 hour ago, lukart said:

Try this one, is a great board for the price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h8DzK8/asrock-x370-gaming-x-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-x

Its meh

One version is OK, the other one is garbage. You dont know which one you'll get sadly

[A. Munsif]

3 hours ago, dave_k said:

Its meh

One version is OK, the other one is garbage. You dont know which one you'll get sadly

What about Asrock X370 Killer SLI?

or

MSI X370 SLI Plus.

[just_dave]

7 minutes ago, A. Munsif said:

What about Asrock X370 Killer SLI?

or

MSI X370 SLI Plus.

Prime X370 Pro is not an option? Both of these would start to struggle with R7 3.9-4GHz

[panther420]

4 minutes ago, A. Munsif said:

What about Asrock X370 Killer SLI?

or

MSI X370 SLI Plus.

I can't speak on @dave_k's behalf, I don't know as much about AM4 boards as him, but I can tell you right off the bat that you should avoid any MSI x370 board, or even any MSI AM4 board in general. They are all unstable as shit and rarely work. Once you reach the higher end of MSI's lineup they start to overprice it for garbage like RGB and shit and completely neglect VRM's *cough* x370 xpower titanium *cough.* While the x370 sli plus is one of the cheaper x370 boards, you should still really avoid it, as msi still unanimously has shit VRM setups on their boards. My two cents.

 

And for the asrock, I don't know. It's definitely a better board, but not the nicest. Prime x370-pro might be a good one for you.

[panther420]

4 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Prime X370 Pro is not an option? Both of these would start to struggle with R7 3.9-4GHz

Also, what about the Gigabyte K5? It seems to be a cheaper version of the Gaming 5: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145001&cm_re=am4_motherboard-_-13-145-001-_-Product

Are the VRM's as good as the Gaming 5? Would that be a good option for @A. Munsif?

It also has a BCLK gen.

[A. Munsif]

4 minutes ago, panther420 said:

Also, what about the Gigabyte K5? It seems to be a cheaper version of the Gaming 5: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145001&cm_re=am4_motherboard-_-13-145-001-_-Product

Are the VRM's as good as the Gaming 5? Would that be a good option for @A. Munsif?

It also has a BCLK gen.

Asus Prime X370 Pro and Gigabyte Gaming K5 isnt available here i guess? I search both online shop here(lelong and lazada[have but overprice and come from overseas as well]) n the pricelist from a few shop from a famous digital mall.

 

https://www.lowyat.net/jayacom-hardware-pricelist/

go to price list and hardware, there is a few shop here.

 

The cheaper X370 i can get are 

MSI:

SLI Plus

Krait Gaming

 

Asrock:

Killer SLI

Gaming K4

 

If i spend a little more:

Asus Strix X370-F Gaming

Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5

Asrock X370 Taichi.

 

I dont think i can spend anymore than this. ?

[just_dave]

1 hour ago, panther420 said:

Also, what about the Gigabyte K5? It seems to be a cheaper version of the Gaming 5: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145001&cm_re=am4_motherboard-_-13-145-001-_-Product

Are the VRM's as good as the Gaming 5? Would that be a good option for @A. Munsif?

It also has a BCLK gen.

Gaming K5 is overheating piece of shit.

Gaming 5 is overheating but good technically

[just_dave]

These boards are worth it if you plan to push 8 core.

Best is Taichi, middle is Strix and the worst is Gaming 5.

I'd take the Strix because it is pretty balanced board, I don't like the Taichi that much because of the excessive (yes, excessive) amount of phases/fets which leads to lower efficiency than Strix. It does run very cool however, only limitation is the willy-nilly doubling that limits the Fsw to 300KHz max (i think 600KHz is the max of 35201, so 600/2 = 300)

57 minutes ago, A. Munsif said:

Asus Strix X370-F Gaming

Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5

Asrock X370 Taichi.