amd phenon2 1100t or i5 6500? yes really a question

[orangescionxb]

So I have an amd phenome ii 1100t with ddr2 1066 ( possibly going to oc this to 4.0 via the Linus oc video he did on this) agenst my newly bought like last year intel i5 6500 (non k) with 16 dd4 2133.  when switching I did find that I on the intel I had trouble streaming where on the amd I did not. so what one is the better one? I've never had any issues with the amd when I switched it out last year. Only went to intel cause I had extra cash and only spent 400$ on cpu, ram , and board so not bad if you ask me (semi budget built). 

 

So the question. I don't stream all the much and if I do its to friends on Facebook and to twitch in hopes by some miracle I get more then 3 viewers where one of them is not my wife or my mom lol. so what do all think. Stick with the amd 3.3 six core cpu with 8 gigs of ram at 1066 (oc 'able) or intel i5 6500 3.2 quad core cpu with 16 gigs of ram at 2133 (non oc 'able)  tyvm 

 

I use a zotac nvida gtx 1080 as a graphics card

 

UPDATE 11/2/2017: new cooler went in no problem and went with the amd parts. had a game opened ultra settings and OBS broadcasting software and no issues so far been up and running since 7pm 11/1/2017 running at 24c on idle 35 on full bore.  going to run discord, obs, pubg, and iTunes a typical night and see how if fares

[Bananasplit_00]

use the AMD machine as a stream box? the I5 is going to perform better in basically everything by a mile

[heimdali]

How can it be such a big problem to stream some video?

 

[orangescionxb]

its really that bad huh? the amd isn't just up to snuff to hang with todays games then?

[orangescionxb]

Just now, heimdali said:

How can it be such a big problem to stream some video?

 

I don't know but I noticed a drop in performance when streaming on the intel

 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

you can find used i7 chips (skylake) to upgrade the quality. Or get a better Graphics Processor

[heimdali]

Just now, orangescionxb said:

I don't know but I noticed a drop in performance when streaming on the intel

 

So what takes so much to stream a video?  I´ve seen that mentioned on this forum before, and I´m really curious what the problem is.

 

[orangescionxb]

2 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

you can find used i7 chips (skylake) to upgrade the quality. Or get a better Graphics Processor

I don't use it for graphics 

zotac gtx 1080 is what I have as a graphics card

[Ordinarily_Greater]

2 minutes ago, orangescionxb said:

I don't use it for graphics 

zotac gtx 1080 is what I have as a graphics card

do you still need the AMD Phenom System? i guess sell it and buy an used haswell system (i5 at least) and makeover it

[dizmo]

There are games that can't run on the Phenom. So. That could be an issue.

[Damascus]

5 minutes ago, heimdali said:

So what takes so much to stream a video?  I´ve seen that mentioned on this forum before, and I´m really curious what the problem is.

 

Video rendering is a CPU intensive task, so is uploading. Doing both at the same time is thus very CPU demanding

[heimdali]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Video rendering is a CPU intensive task, so is uploading. Doing both at the same time is thus very CPU demanding

How can uploading be demanding much of a CPU?  And doesn´t the GPU do the rendering?

 

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, heimdali said:

How can uploading be demanding much of a CPU?  And doesn´t the GPU do the rendering?

 

If you upload a 1080*1920 60fps video its 

 

2073600  pixels        (1920x1080)

x60                            (as in 60 frames per second)

124416000  pixels per second, every second being upoaded

 

And no, The GPU isn't a big part of video rendering

 

 

[dogetorhue]

16 minutes ago, heimdali said:

So what takes so much to stream a video?  I´ve seen that mentioned on this forum before, and I´m really curious what the problem is.

If by stream you mean sending to a service such as Twitch, there is a lot going on to make that happen. First of all your CPU and GPU are under reasonable load from playing a game, and then the streaming application has to downscale the screen capture to a lower resolution, compress it in order to not overload the network. Because video compression is not a task that GPUs are well equipped to handle, the compression of the video falls to the CPU, and that's why it's generally recommended for streamers to get high core count CPUs so that they can afford to run more cores with their video compression algorithm.

[dogetorhue]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

If you upload a 1080*1920 60fps video its 

 

2073600  pixels        (1920x1080)

x60                            (as in 60 frames per second)

124416000  pixels per second, every second being upoaded

 

And no, The GPU isn't a big part of video rendering

 

 

The GPU is rendering the video, the CPU is compressing it. Also video compression makes that number much lower, combined with the fact that streamers usually use 30FPS.

 

[Damascus]

Just now, dogetorhue said:

The GPU is rendering the video, the CPU is compressing it. Also video compression makes that number much lower, combined with the fact that streamers usually use 30FPS.

 

Serious streamers (the ones using secondary PC's) upload 60 FPS and I should have said that the GPU is less relevant than CPU, not that it isn't the rendering.  Also, compression is adding burden, even if you have less to upload

[heimdali]

2 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

If by stream you mean sending to a service such as Twitch, there is a lot going on to make that happen. First of all your CPU and GPU are under reasonable load from playing a game, and then the streaming application has to downscale the screen capture to a lower resolution, compress it in order to not overload the network. Because video compression is not a task that GPUs are well equipped to handle, the compression of the video falls to the CPU, and that's why it's generally recommended for streamers to get high core count CPUs so that they can afford to run more cores with their video compression algorithm.

I see, so it´s like I thought.  I tried it out a couple days ago, and recording and encoding wasn´t any problem at all, though I still need to try recording a game because there´s probably more to encode when what´s on screen varies more.  But I don´t expect that to be any problem, either.  Most of the cores will probably remain idle.

 

[dogetorhue]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Serious streamers (the ones using secondary PC's) upload 60 FPS and I should have said that the GPU is less relevant than CPU, not that it isn't the rendering.  Also, compression is adding burden, even if you have less to upload

Compression is a necessity when streaming. An uncompressed 1920/1080 60fps video with 24bit color would use over 2.7GiB/sec of network traffic.

[heimdali]

3 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Serious streamers (the ones using secondary PC's) upload 60 FPS and I should have said that the GPU is less relevant than CPU, not that it isn't the rendering.  Also, compression is adding burden, even if you have less to upload

Where do they stream that to?  It´s not like you could do that over the internet as there isn´t that much bandwidth.

 

[dogetorhue]

1 minute ago, heimdali said:

I see, so it´s like I thought.  I tried it out a couple days ago, and recording and encoding wasn´t any problem at all, though I still need to try recording a game because there´s probably more to encode when what´s on screen varies more.  But I don´t expect that to be any problem, either.  Most of the cores will probably remain idle.

 

In theory, all of the cores will be in use when streaming. The video compression will try to use all your resources in order to maintain quality.

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Where do they stream that to?  It´s not like you could do that over the internet as there isn´t that much bandwidth.

 

Wat? yes there is enough bandwidth, twitch has dozens of 4k streams

[dogetorhue]

2 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Where do they stream that to?  It´s not like you could do that over the internet as there isn´t that much bandwidth.

 

It's compressed to a couple of MiB/s. 

[heimdali]

You still need to have sufficient upstream for such streams, don´t you.  And who has that?

 

Let me put it this way:  Germany is on its best way to put the Marshall plan in place.  The allied forces invented it and decided it´s a stupid idea like 70 years ago, but we have yet to figure that out.  Given the amount of people --- and this is difficult to understand --- who are *literally* too stupid to trip over a bucket of water, we never might.

 

[heimdali]

23 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

In theory, all of the cores will be in use when streaming. The video compression will try to use all your resources in order to maintain quality.

Well, it wasn´t really noticeable with 24 cores.

 

[orangescionxb]

so everything went back together alright and its running GREAT!! ran Star Citizen and my obs 64bit and streamed a little bit and she ran great!! 

much better then the intel. im gonna test some over the weekend but so far I like the blast from the past