2 Gamer 1 CPU 2.0

[tiwill0v2]

Hey, How about a "2 player 1 cpu" version 2017 refreshed, I mean you could do a build where eath gamer have each like 16 thread to game and record at the same time for each one combined with a dual sli 1080 ti for each one(not totaly sur if it's possible for this but I mean It's linus tech tips, they will make it work) with like each 32Go of ram(RGB because yolo)

 

That Would be Awesome and for each gamer, it would be like better performences than most poeple have for their entier computer

 

 

Plus, Beside the wan show, it's been a while since you did a video just you and luke

[aconfusedpcgamer]

threadripper could work

[KuJoe]

Linus has hinted about this and I think the last time he talked about it he was working with LimeTech on an issue they were having with Ryzen that was preventing him from doing what he wanted to do (run a gaming PC VM and a streaming PC VM off the same hardware).

[Guest]

Our maybe just double last year's. What was it 7 gamers 1 cpu? What about 14 gamers 1 cpu?

[Anjelllo]

15 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

Our maybe just double last year's. What was it 7 gamers 1 cpu? What about 14 gamers 1 cpu?

I’m really interested in the practical side of multiple gamer one pc setups, like a ryzen 7 cpu and a couple low end gpus powering 8 gamers playing low end games like league of legends, csgo, minecraft, gmod, and lfd2. Though I bet some old computers and gpus together would beat it in value, it would be interesting for like a game night where you invite all your friends over and play in the same room. (You get the central processing power of r7 all week until your friends come over and then you can devote vms for them to play in.) 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, aconfusedpcgamer said:

threadripper could work

Your thinking too small in regards to an LTT mindset, they need a 32 core EPYC processor... (Better yet, lets make it a 2 socket system with two 32 core EPYCs )

Edited October 23, 2017 by Guest
Fixed EPYC spelling (How did I mess it up...)

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3 hours ago, tjcater said:

Your thinking too small in regards to an LTT mindset, they need a 32 core EPYC processor... (Better yet, lets make it a 2 socket system with two 32 core EPYCs )

mhm, we think alike.  dual 7601's OCed to 4 GHz.  600 W a piece*, 8 gamers per CPU for 16 gamers total, each with basically what would amount to a slightly OCed 4770k.  I like where this is going...

 

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* @Legendarypoet ran some tests on his 1950X using all 16 cores and then using just 8 cores, all OCed to 4 GHz and we found that it used about 150 W with 8 cores and 300 W with 16 cores, meaning 600 W with 32 would be expected.

 

[Hiitchy]

5 hours ago, tjcater said:

Your thinking too small in regards to an LTT mindset, they need a 32 core EPYC processor... (Better yet, lets make it a 2 socket system with two 32 core EPYCs )

 

2 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

mhm, we think alike.  dual 7601's OCed to 4 GHz.  600 W a piece*, 8 gamers per CPU for 16 gamers total, each with basically what would amount to a slightly OCed 4770k.  I like where this is going...

 

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* @Legendarypoet ran some tests on his 1950X using all 16 cores and then using just 8 cores, all OCed to 4 GHz and we found that it used about 150 W with 8 cores and 300 W with 16 cores, meaning 600 W with 32 would be expected.

 

I would absolutely welcome... No, recommend this. It's a crazy idea. 

[Norseman4]

14 hours ago, KuJoe said:

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Didn't they need a video out for the console during the setup procedure in addition to the two dGPU cards for the actual gaming VMs? (The console being headless after setup)

 

If this was, and still is, the case, then they would need 3 cards. a cheap one for the console then the monsters for the gamers.

[KuJoe]

5 hours ago, Norseman4 said:

Didn't they need a video out for the console during the setup procedure in addition to the two dGPU cards for the actual gaming VMs? (The console being headless after setup)

 

If this was, and still is, the case, then they would need 3 cards. a cheap one for the console then the monsters for the gamers.

Correct.

[BatyGaming]

omg also make one gamer 100ft away with this if you still have it!!!

 

[Nup]

New moores law? Every year the amount of gamers/cpu doubles.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

I'd like to see a comparison done between two setups, for scenarios like internet/computer access at a library, or an internet cafe, etc.

 

Setup 1:  A Supermicro SYS-7089P-TR4T Eight-LGA3647-socket server, populated with

• GPUs: Radeon Pro Duo Polaris, in 37 of the PCI-E slots.  (It supports up to 39, for 78 potential VMs, but the CPU cores, when using the 8180M, divide kind-of weird, AND end up with fewer than 4 cores per VM.  24*8/78 ~ 2.87.)
• CPUs: 8x Xeon Platinum 8180M - 28 cores / 56 threads per CPU, 2.5 GHz base freq.

Divide up the CPU into 3 cores (6 threads) per VM, and you get about 74 availble VMs, with a little left over.  (28 * 8 = 224, and 3 * 74 = 222, so you have 2 cores, 4 threads left for the VM host.)

Then, populate 37 of the PCIe slots with the aforementioned GPUs, split each GPU die into its separate VM.

Put in enough RAM so each user gets 8 or 16 GB RAM.  (At 74 VMs, that'd either be 592 GB, or 1184 GB.)

DO whatever is necessary for other parts, like SSDs (for hosting each VM) and whatever else.

 

 

Setup 2: Individual systems or devices, configured / part-selected so that they benchmark the same (in Cinebench, Ice Storm (*1) , CrystalDiskMark, and whatever free memory benchmarking tool there is (alternate to Aida64) scores the same on the individual systems as they do on each VM in Setup 1.

Alternately, you could pick any one of the other metrics in the "some things to compare" section below.

 

*1 - no mention of gaming, remember?  Only reason I used the specific GPUs I named was cause they're the only dual-GPU card I know of on a recent architecture.  Using single-GPU cards would halve the number of VMs available)

 

 

Some things to compare between the two setups.  At least one should be identical, to have a "baseline" or "reference", so to speak.

• How does the performance compare in each user's experience?
• What is the up-front cost for purchasing the devices?
• What is the estimated cost of electricity for running the devices over the expected lifetime of the devices?  (Try to assume you're in an area that doesn't have cheap electricity - for example, a recent bill at my parents' house said 23¢/kWh for the first 428 kWh, and 43¢/kWh above that.)
• How much physical space do the devices take up?

 

Basically, is it cheaper / takes less space / better performance to build one massive server and have everyone VM into it, or to have individual small devices (whether they be laptops or mini ITX PCs using small cases)?

[LaughingCheeze]

While we're on the subject, could regular old Ryzen work for this (1700 at least of course)? If you just wanted something like two players? Maybe four max I'm not sure.

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1 minute ago, LaughingCheeze said:

While we're on the subject, could regular old Ryzen work for this (1700 at least of course)? If you just wanted something like two players? Maybe four max I'm not sure.

Well yeah it could do 2 but that's not very impressive.

[LaughingCheeze]

26 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well yeah it could do 2 but that's not very impressive.

No but it works for my use case, thanks. 

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Just now, LaughingCheeze said:

No but it works for my use case, thanks. 

What is your use case?  I can virtually guarantee that it makes more sense to build two separate systems than building one mega system and using VMs

[LaughingCheeze]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

What is your use case?  I can virtually guarantee that it makes more sense to build two separate systems than building one mega system and using VMs

Oh you know, just thinking if I had money to burn. Just like the original one cpu two gamers, but on Ryzen, and for strategy games. So it wouldn't be that expensive; 1050's or something and 1080p monitors.

Is there something in LimeTech for virtual networking or whatever? So I could network the VM's without actually having a router. That way you just bring over one box and the two monitors. 

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Just now, LaughingCheeze said:

Is there something in LimeTech for virtual networking or whatever? So I could network the VM's without actually having a router. That way you just bring over one box and the two monitors. 

That is an interesting question, tbh I'm not entirely sure how that works.  I suspect that it would definitely be possible to configure the VMs so they see each other and the internet in much the way many computers would act on the LAN, but it's all one physical system.

[LaughingCheeze]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

That is an interesting question, tbh I'm not entirely sure how that works.  I suspect that it would definitely be possible to configure the VMs so they see each other and the internet in much the way many computers would act on the LAN, but it's all one physical system.

You're right its probably not practical. And probably won't get built any time soon. I like to do that a lot though, and it would be fun, I think. I feel like I'm probably more in tune with the way Linus thinks than a lot of people here it seems. 

Also hi, I've been a serial lurker off and on just recently joined the Floatplane. Any competition we can give Screwgoogle is a good thing. 

[Shreyas1]

21 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

mhm, we think alike.  dual 7601's OCed to 4 GHz.  600 W a piece*, 8 gamers per CPU for 16 gamers total, each with basically what would amount to a slightly OCed 4770k.  I like where this is going...

 

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* @Legendarypoet ran some tests on his 1950X using all 16 cores and then using just 8 cores, all OCed to 4 GHz and we found that it used about 150 W with 8 cores and 300 W with 16 cores, meaning 600 W with 32 would be expected.

 

You forgot the rgb custom water cooling loop

[LaughingCheeze]

2 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

You forgot the rgb custom water cooling loop

Has to be connected to the outside to like whole room water cooling.

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8 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

You forgot the rgb custom water cooling loop

The cooling solution on that would definitely have to be impressive

[GDRRiley]

On 10/22/2017 at 5:48 PM, Abyss Gaming said:

Our maybe just double last year's. What was it 7 gamers 1 cpu? What about 14 gamers 1 cpu?

well 2 32 core cpus would only give you 64 cores, 128 threads. you could do 16 gamers and that would work well. basicly a ryzen 5 1400. 

Edited October 24, 2017 by GDRRiley

[Guest]

8 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

well 2 32 core cpus would only give you 64 threads. you could do 16 gamers and that would work well. basicly a ryzen 5 1400. 

Wouldn't it be 128 threads since they have SMT? The number of gamers for a quad core is right though (Ignoring the necessary dedicated cores to some solution like unRaid, but I think it could share resources with other VMs depending on how the hypervisor and passthrough works for whatever software solution is chosen.)

8 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The cooling solution on that would definitely have to be impressive

Maybe its time for a new overkill solution that has two ACs hooked up to it with a heat sink as wide as a over kill air solution that would be connected to two Independent custom loops?