General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[NoxiousOdor]

1 minute ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Base, 165, multiplier, 24.

You could check your xmp ram settings, they can limit how high your motherboard will let you let you take the base clock. I just recently learned that this is a thing

[kelvinhall05]

3 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

You could check your xmp ram settings, they can limit how high your motherboard will let you let you take the base clock. I just recently learned that this is a thing

Anything in particular I should look for? I've never messed with anything RAM related in the BIOS.

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

Anything in particular I should look for? I've never messed with anything RAM related in the BIOS.

It should be an enable/disable setting, you want it disabled if it isn't already

[panther420]

2 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Budget and X58 don't go together.

You're better off buying into LGA 1155 or 1150 if you're buying used.

 

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

 

Not true, you just have to surf for deals. I got an ASUS Rampage III Formula and a Xeon X5675 (6c/12t, 3.46GHz at stock or something like that, OCed to 4GHz ez, I think I even ran it at 4.4 for a bit) for $120, and 16GB of really nice RAM for $60. 

Exactly, it's just a matter of finding the right seller/deal. To add to @Zando Bob's find, I found a Gigabyte EX58-UD5 + i7-950 + OCZ Gold 6GB + stock cooler for $20 because I got a volunteer discount at freegeek. $95 usually without the discount.

[kelvinhall05]

40 minutes ago, panther420 said:

 

Exactly, it's just a matter of finding the right seller/deal. To add to @Zando Bob's find, I found a Gigabyte EX58-UD5 + i7-950 + OCZ Gold 6GB + stock cooler for $20 because I got a volunteer discount at freegeek. $95 usually without the discount.

I also find mine for a good deal (Sabertooth X58 + i7-950 + 16GB of DDR3 + Intel stock cooler + shitty case + DVD drive for $120), but that took weeks of watching local classifieds.

[Pasi123]

I got my P6X58D-E for 90€ and X5670 for 70€(?) in 2016, 2x 4gb Kingston 1333MHz memory for 150€ in 2013 (At the time I had a HP Z400 with W3520) and 4x 2gb Corsair Dominator for 35€ in 2017

 

Edit: After a quick calculation my entire PC has cost about 1050€, if I didn't forget anything.

[Haden overlord]

39 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

I also find mine for a good deal (Sabertooth X58 + i7-950 + 16GB of DDR3 + Intel stock cooler + shitty case + DVD drive for $120), but that took weeks of watching local classifieds.

 

12 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

I got my P6X58D-E for 90€ and X5670 for 70€(?) in 2016, 2x 4gb Kingston 1333MHz memory for 150€ in 2013 (At the time I had a HP Z400 with W3520) and 4x 2gb Corsair Dominator for 35€ in 2017

So where should i look for deals like this.

[kelvinhall05]

5 minutes ago, Haden overlord said:

 

So where should i look for deals like this.

Local used websites.

[Haden overlord]

4 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Local used websites.

Like, craigslist(I am In LA, Us)?

and what things should I look for just mobos or full systems?

[kelvinhall05]

15 minutes ago, Haden overlord said:

Like, craigslist(I am In LA, Us)?

and what things should I look for just mobos or full systems?

Both. It depends on what's available and what's cheapest.

[leodiavata]

Can I get any help overclocking my x5650 here? I can run it on 4.0 with voltage on the cpu 1.28-1.3 but it craps itself if I try anything above that. No mayter if its 20 multi and I increase baseclock, or if I increase multi and decrease base clock. I am running on a gigabyte ex-58 extreme. I have 2 kits of ram on it. 6 gb of corsair dominator platinum 1600 kit and a same kit rated at 2000 ( 7-7-7-20 for the 1600 and 8-8-8-24 for the 2000) could that be the thing limiting my oc? I have an aio. Enermax liqmax 240

[kelvinhall05]

5 minutes ago, leodiavata said:

Can I get any help overclocking my x5650 here? I can run it on 4.0 with voltage on the cpu 1.28-1.3 but it craps itself if I try anything above that. No mayter if its 20 multi and I increase baseclock, or if I increase multi and decrease base clock. I am running on a gigabyte ex-58 extreme. I have 2 kits of ram on it. 6 gb of corsair dominator platinum 1600 kit and a same kit rated at 2000 ( 7-7-7-20 for the 1600 and 8-8-8-24 for the 2000) could that be the thing limiting my oc? I have an aio. Enermax liqmax 240

Try disabling XMP if you haven't already. That can sometimes increase your overclock.

[leodiavata]

14 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Try disabling XMP if you haven't already. That can sometimes increase your overclock.

Did not really help. Still not doing bclk 205 even. Will try to loewer bclk and increase multiplier tomorrow though. 

[bimmerman]

What is your QPI or vtt voltage? That is the primary factor that determines baseclock stability.

[leodiavata]

2 hours ago, bimmerman said:

What is your QPI or vtt voltage? That is the primary factor that determines baseclock stability.

I have my qpi at 1.3v

[Zando_]

17 hours ago, Haden overlord said:

Like, craigslist(I am In LA, Us)?

and what things should I look for just mobos or full systems?

Craigslist, anything like FreeGeek, and eBay. Talk to @WhisperingKnickers, he's usually keeping an eye on the X58 market on eBay. 

[NoxiousOdor]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

Craigslist, anything like FreeGeek, and eBay. Talk to @WhisperingKnickers, he's usually keeping an eye on the X58 market on eBay. 

He already did  I only have a dual socket available at the moment right now though

[bimmerman]

13 hours ago, leodiavata said:

I have my qpi at 1.3v

1.35 is the max. Try raising it and your BCLK while isolating your CPU multiplier (i.e., turn it way down).

 

Also what are your QPI / uncore / mem multipliers at?

 

Have you followed the guide I posted earlier in the thread? That method works you through the different settings and ensures you will (eventually) find your max stable combination of CPU Mult, BCLK, Mem, and relevant voltages.

[leodiavata]

58 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

1.35 is the max. Try raising it and your BCLK while isolating your CPU multiplier (i.e., turn it way down).

 

Also what are your QPI / uncore / mem multipliers at?

 

Have you followed the guide I posted earlier in the thread? That method works you through the different settings and ensures you will (eventually) find your max stable combination of CPU Mult, BCLK, Mem, and relevant voltages.

QPI on lowest possible except for slow mode and uncore double the memory multiplier. Memory multiplier I have it at x8.And I cannot really go through the guide since the servers seem to be down.

[bimmerman]

Use the wayback archive copy of the guide?

 

I'll try to look at the multiplier settings I have from using the guide and will report back tonight.

[leodiavata]

3 hours ago, bimmerman said:

Use the wayback archive copy of the guide?

 

I'll try to look at the multiplier settings I have from using the guide and will report back tonight.

Got it to 4.2 by lowering bclk to 191 and multi to 22. Had to up the voltage to 1.375. 4.3 does not seem to work well. Will try something between 191 and 196 tomorrow.

[bimmerman]

You don't want to exceed 1.35 V for QPI. Vcore should be good to 1.4 or more depending on cooling.

 

I found a higher BCLK and lower multiplier performed better in benchmarks than the reverse, although the difference is a couple measly percentage points.

 

I'd try seeing if it will boot and then run stably at ~15 multiplier, 200-205 BCLK at 1.35V QPI and whatever your Vcore is at 4.2GHz. If it won't, you aren't going to get much further than you already are.

 

Try using the wayback archive version of the guide, it guides you through the process of finding your max stable BCLK, your max stable RAM, and then the max stable CPU Mult given the BCLK and RAM. It also tells you what the uncore/qpi/etc should be set to.

[leodiavata]

I tried the guide. Nothing above 200 bclk seemed to work well. Also it suggested having the ram voltage 0.5v more than qpi. I tried that and forgot about it. Because I usually don't mess with ram. That have me tons of instability. So I brought it back to 1.66. My ram might be limiting my overclock. 2 kits of 6 gb Corsair Dominator Platinum. But one is rated for 2000 mhz and 8-8-8-24 and the other one 1600mhz and 7-7-7-20.I brought the timings to 8-7-7-20 and it works fine. But they do not seem to like anything above 1600. Do not have any spare modules to test with them. 

[bimmerman]

4 hours ago, leodiavata said:

I tried the guide. Nothing above 200 bclk seemed to work well. Also it suggested having the ram voltage 0.5v more than qpi. I tried that and forgot about it. Because I usually don't mess with ram. That have me tons of instability. So I brought it back to 1.66. My ram might be limiting my overclock. 2 kits of 6 gb Corsair Dominator Platinum. But one is rated for 2000 mhz and 8-8-8-24 and the other one 1600mhz and 7-7-7-20.I brought the timings to 8-7-7-20 and it works fine. But they do not seem to like anything above 1600. Do not have any spare modules to test with them. 

I think that's a misprint, I think the idea is to keep QPI and RAM voltages no more than 0.5V apart, which seems huge.

 

I run 6x4GB 1600 MHz ram at 9-9-9-24 and I've been able to OC it up to 2000, which netted me instability without any benefit in synthetics let alone gaming. I don't think the RAM is limiting your overclock-- your board and chip just might not be able to go higher than what you've got.

[Ground]

Yeah, deals can be had on x58 for sure. Also keep an eye out for people selling their boards with RAM - I've picked up my x58a-oc with 6x4 GBs and a W3680 for 170€ and sold RAM and CPU for 140 (could have gotten more, but some of the RAM went to a friend; could have used the CPU but it was an absolute terrible overclocker). My Rampage II Extreme (a golden one - does at least 269 MHz BCLK if I push it) was 100€, but I managed to sell my old MSI x58 Pro-E for 100 as well, so it was basically a free upgrade. Now that I have both I can't decide which one to keep - the x58a-oc is impractical for a daily but looks amazing, the Rampage II is more practical but really ugly and gets a fair bit hotter. Really no idea...