PCIe VS SATA

[GirlFromYonder]

I am in the process of upgrading my build. This one I want it to be a fancy artpiece with white, yellow and purple components and UV reactive stuff. But The problem I have is that I have a M.2 850 evo sdd with a ugly green pcb. Now I cant really justify selling this ssd and buy a new 256 gb 950 evo nvme ssd for $120. So my question is should I? Would the perfomance improvement be significant enough for games and sometimes video editing using adobe stuff and blender?

[79wjd]

I doubt you would even be able to notice a difference outside of benchmarking (or comparing side-by-side -- e.g. each on their own will feel equally fast).

[LienusLateTips]

SSD the SATA

[Enderman]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

I doubt you would even be able to notice a difference outside of benchmarking (or comparing side-by-side -- e.g. each on their own will feel equally fast).

It will definitely make a difference in video editing and blender.

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

yes, but probably not enough for me to justify spending an extra $120 IMO. 

Ok then buy a black heatsink for it, it should have one anyway.

M.2 drives should not be used without cooling because of how hot they get.

 

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

?

 

My samsung 950 pro has been running without an SSD

The 950 pro is an SSD.

 

btw you should use crystaldiskinfo to check the temps, because normally an SSD will be at about 30C or less.

[GirlFromYonder]

28 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

yes, but probably not enough for me to justify spending an extra $120 IMO. 

Well, the sata 250 evo is $90, and the PCI E 950 evo is $120, while the sata 500 evo is $140

[LienusLateTips]

24 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

My samsung 950 pro has been running without an SSD

Oh that's a great storage device. It's a mini HDD!

[NumLock21]

You'll see 0 difference in games and generic use. For specialized workloads NVMe will show its true potential.

[GirlFromYonder]

Just now, NumLock21 said:

You'll see 0 difference in games and generic use. For specialized workloads NVMe will show its true potential.

It is an extra 30 buck to mve but a extra 50 to double the space. and anyway, i want to raid 5 ssds and I will be velcoring one ssd because the p400s only has 2 2.5 inch bays

[NumLock21]

Just now, DeezNoNos said:

It is an extra 30 buck to mve but a extra 50 to double the space. and anyway, i want to raid 5 ssds and I will be velcoring one ssd because the p400s only has 2 2.5 inch bays

Seriously don't RAID SSDs. Just use a single drive and dump your data onto a HDD or 2 for 2 backups in case the first backup mysteriously goes kaput.

[GirlFromYonder]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Seriously don't RAID SSDs. Just use a single drive and dump your data onto a HDD or 2 for 2 backups in case the first backup mysteriously goes kaput.

ok why not?

[NumLock21]

4 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

ok why not?

Cause you will shorten the life span dramatically by doing constant writes to it.

Still want RAID 5 on SSD, then look at enterprise line up.

[GirlFromYonder]

24 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Cause you will shorten the life span dramatically by doing constant writes to it.

Still want RAID 5 on SSD, then look at enterprise line up.

ok fuck that. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just a random post about NVMe SSDs and heat and all that.

 

They only get hot if you start hammering them with something to do, which goes for any drive really. Most of the time my drives sit around idly. Anything that would hit them more or less constantly, like open-world games or movies, is pretty low bandwidth to not be much of a problem anyway. My NVMe SSD is also in a very non-ideal place: behind the motherboard. Worse, the heat from my video card gets dumped easily into that area. So if I'm playing a game, it sits at a toast 50-60C. It's been like that for at least a year, before I had a blower style cooler so it wasn't that bad, but it would float around mid 50s.

 

My build was from two years ago. I haven't really seen much in the way of issues with the SSD. I guess we'll see how it still holds up in a few more years (if I ever keep this computer for that long). But as far as I can tell, nothing totally adverse has happened to the drive. Crystal Disk Info claims the health is fine. Samsung Magician also claims the health is fine.

 

But anyway, I recommend SATA SSDs over NVMe for the following reasons:

• Unless you have a use case that demands a ton of data to be hauled from the drive, there's almost no appreciable performance benefit.
• You can usually get double the capacity on SATA for the same price as an NVMe drive. I find it more practical because you can store more stuff on the drive that can receive the performance boost. Once you've tasted SSDs, it's hard to avoid the temptation of seeing what else will be amazing with load performance.

[79wjd]

33 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

They only get hot if you start hammering them with something to do, which goes for any drive really. 

The difference though is that a normal SSD is generally in some form of air flow, whereas NVME drives tend to flush against the mobo where there is very little airflow and often times right beneath the GPU that pumps out heat. 

 

So, yeah, heat isn't an issue exclusively for NVME drives, but it generally is a more likely issue. 

33 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

 

My build was from two years ago. I haven't really seen much in the way of issues with the SSD. I guess we'll see how it still holds up in a few more years (if I ever keep this computer for that long). But as far as I can tell, nothing totally adverse has happened to the drive. Crystal Disk Info claims the health is fine. Samsung Magician also claims the health is fine.

Heat is bad in the long run for drives, although I'm not exactly sure what the statistics are on it -- e.g. how long it takes xºc to cause y amount of wear. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Heat is bad in the long run for drives, although I'm not exactly sure what the statistics are on it -- e.g. how long it takes xºc to cause y amount of wear. 

I'm aware of the "every 10C drops the life expectancy in half" rule of thumb, but the problem is we don't know what the life expectancy of the drive is to begin with. Samsung only guarantees five years (or whatever long the warranty period is), but that isn't any indication of life expectancy.