AMD Ryzen 7 1700x vs Intel i7 5960x

[Pachuca]

I currently have an i7 5960x in my system, but have been considering a switch to the new AMD Ryzen 7 cpu. Does anyone know what is the difference in IPC between these two i7 5960x vs Ryzen 7 1700x? 

[ARikozuM]

Intel's 5th-gen still has more IPC than Ryzen at the same clocks and it also has a clock speed advantage [once both are overclocked]. If your programs can use all of those cores and threads, the 5960X should be the better CPU.

[rn8686]

Not much point, would be very similar performance wise. 

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Intel's 5th-gen still has more IPC than Ryzen at the same clocks and it also has a clock speed advantage [once both are overclocked]. If your programs can use all of those cores and threads, the 5960X should be the better CPU.

Actually, according to cpu-z my 1700 at 3.6ghz is toe to toe with the 5960x at stock.

[SquintyG33Rs]

7 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Actually, according to cpu-z my 1700 at 3.6ghz is toe to toe with the 5960x at stock.

what ram speed tho

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Actually, according to cpu-z my 1700 at 3.6ghz is toe to toe with the 5960x at stock.

I'm not even going to look up CPU-Z and its terrible benchmark. Synthetics are synthetics, they don't matter if real-world performance doesn't match.

[Damascus]

Just now, SquintyG33Rs said:

what ram speed tho

2400mhz.

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm not even going to look up CPU-Z and its terrible benchmark. Synthetics are synthetics, they don't matter if real-world performance doesn't match.

Now ya got me curious, I wonder if anyone has done a side by side comparison. 

[DrMikeNZ]

It really depends on your workload. If you use AVX2 heavily, you will notice about a 40-50% decrease in performance. Elsewhere, you will typically only notice a 0-10% decrease in performance.

Power consumption would be lower with Ryzen.

[Damascus]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm not even going to look up CPU-Z and its terrible benchmark. Synthetics are synthetics, they don't matter if real-world performance doesn't match.

Dunno about reliability but this is interesting 

 

[done12many2]

25 minutes ago, Pachuca said:

I currently have an i7 5960x in my system, but have been considering a switch to the new AMD Ryzen 7 cpu. Does anyone know what is the difference in IPC between these two i7 5960x vs Ryzen 7 1700x? 

 

If you are running a stock configuration, Ryzen R7 will outperform your 5960x by a bit in non-AVX2 multi-threaded performance, but not in single-threaded performance.  If however, you start overclocking, there is more max performance (multi and single) from a 5960x when overclocked than a Ryzen R7. 

 

If you were buying new and not planning on overclocking, I'd definitely recommend the Ryzen R7 over the 5960x for applications where single-threaded performance and AVX performance aren't an issue.

[Guest]

5960X released for 1000$ 3Q 2014 now in 1Q of 2017 a 300$ CPU is just as good. Thank you Amd as Intel has basically stayed the same 4770K was 350$ at release and so is the 7700K today, what 10% more IPC at best with slightly better overclocking is all we got from side blue in the past 3 years. 

 

 

[dfg666]

What's the main practical reason for switching? It seems like you just want Ryzen not need it.

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, jdwii said:

5960X released for 1000$ 3Q 2014 now in 1Q of 2017 a 300$ CPU is just as good. Thank you Amd as Intel has basically stayed the same 4770K was 350$ at release and so is the 7700K today, what 10% more IPC at best with slightly better overclocking is all we got from side blue in the past 3 years. 

 

I wouldn't exactly be bragging that AMD is just now matching an Intel CPU from 2014.  Actually, when overclocked, the AMD chip is still slower.  

 

Other than that, you're right, AMD has helped the market in a positive way for sure.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I wouldn't exactly be bragging that AMD is just now matching an Intel CPU from 2014.  Actually, when overclocked, the AMD chip is still slower.  

 

Other than that, you're right, AMD has helped the market in a positive way for sure.

Na in many tests its faster and in ones that actually matter such as handbrake and adobe point is even a 8 core intel CPU today is barely faster then a 5960X lol. Thanks Intel for staying still and not moving that's the point. 

 

Intel should have been giving us more cores on mainstream parts probably right around devils cannon instead they kept rehashing the same old product and sprinkling fairy dust on it while also switching to cheap manufacturing so the chips run hot as balls. 

[done12many2]

15 minutes ago, jdwii said:

Na in many tests its faster and in ones that actually matter such as handbrake and adobe point is even a 8 core intel CPU today is barely faster then a 5960X lol. Thanks Intel for staying still and not moving that's the point. 

 

Intel should have been giving us more cores on mainstream parts probably right around devils cannon instead they kept rehashing the same old product and sprinkling fairy dust on it while also switching to cheap manufacturing so the chips run hot as balls. 

 

Once again, an overclocked 5960x will generally be faster than a more modern Ryzen R7.  Just because you say so doesn't change that fact.  

 

You said "Thank you Amd as Intel has basically stayed the same 4770K was 350$ at release and so is the 7700K today, what 10% more IPC at best with slightly better overclocking is all we got from side blue in the past 3 years." in your first post.  Just out of curiosity, what did we get from AMD during those same 3 years?

 

You seem to be using this thread as a means to deliver your message about Intel.  We get it, they cost more.  Generally speaking, you pay more for higher parts.  Nothing new and I'm definitely not justifying that it's worth it to all as that is completely subjective.

 

Let me know if you want to pit your Ryzen R7 up against my 5960x.  That would kill two birds with one stone.  We'd clear up your confusion and help answer the OP's questions.  

[Vode]

4 hours ago, Pachuca said:

I currently have an i7 5960x in my system, but have been considering a switch to the new AMD Ryzen 7 cpu. Does anyone know what is the difference in IPC between these two i7 5960x vs Ryzen 7 1700x? 

They have pretty much the same performance. The 1700x might be better in some productivity applications (except AVX) and has lower power consumption.

 

The 5960x is better in gaming still and has more OC headroom.

 

I wouldn't recommend any upgrade from a 5960x actually, it's still such a good CPU unless you REALLY need more cores or something.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

Once again, an overclocked 5960x will generally be faster than a more modern Ryzen R7.  Just because you say so doesn't change that fact.  

 

You said "Thank you Amd as Intel has basically stayed the same 4770K was 350$ at release and so is the 7700K today, what 10% more IPC at best with slightly better overclocking is all we got from side blue in the past 3 years." in your first post.  Just out of curiosity, what did we get from AMD during those same 3 years?

 

You seem to be using this thread as a means to deliver your message about Intel.  We get it, they cost more.  Generally speaking, you pay more for higher parts.  Nothing new and I'm definitely not justifying that it's worth it to all as that is completely subjective.

 

Let me know if you want to pit your Ryzen R7 up against my 5960x.  That would kill two birds with one stone.  We'd clear up your confusion and help answer the OP's questions.  

Amd didn't provide nothing to anyone in those years? However Amd also didn't give nvidia no competition either guess what? Nvidia actually improved their products haha unlike Intel which kept with 3% IPC improvements each year with what hot temps and 5ghz overclocks.

 

Also when it comes to a Ryzen 7 vs 5960X they will trade blows at best. 

[Guest]

I bet i can find just as many tests where a Ryzen 7 beats a 5960X as you can find applications that use less then 8 cores that beat a ryzen 7. 

 

 

[Tartandy]

You've already spent a bunch of money on a 5960X, upgrading to a new cpu on a new platform with VERY similar performance is a complete waste of money...

[Pachuca]

4 hours ago, Vode said:

They have pretty much the same performance. The 1700x might be better in some productivity applications (except AVX) and has lower power consumption.

 

The 5960x is better in gaming still and has more OC headroom.

 

I wouldn't recommend any upgrade from a 5960x actually, it's still such a good CPU unless you REALLY need more cores or something.

that seems to be the consensus here. I was curious to see if there was a performance gain or IPC increase. I mainly use the pc for photo editing/video rendering and gaming. I have the cpu running at 4.4Ghz. I would be willing to make the switch to AMD if the performance gain would be worth it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Thank you everyone for your input and replies to my post.

[Vode]

8 minutes ago, Pachuca said:

that seems to be the consensus here. I was curious to see if there was a performance gain or IPC increase. I mainly use the pc for photo editing/video rendering and gaming. I have the cpu running at 4.4Ghz. I would be willing to make the switch to AMD if the performance gain would be worth it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Thank you everyone for your input and replies to my post.

No problem.  I asked myself the exact same question before Ryzen was released.

 

The only way the "upgrade" makes a tiny amount of sense is if you love to tinker with hardware and therefore get a kick out of the building process. If you sold the X99 Mobo and 5960x for a decent price you could even get a couple bucks out of it, but yeah I wouldn't recommend it since you probably are dependent on your rig and if something doesn't work right immediately it might be a major pain... but I digress...

 

As it stands we'll probably be waiting at least for Ryzen on 7nm before upgrading will be worth it. 

[done12many2]

5 hours ago, jdwii said:

Amd didn't provide nothing to anyone in those years? However Amd also didn't give nvidia no competition either guess what? Nvidia actually improved their products haha unlike Intel which kept with 3% IPC improvements each year with what hot temps and 5ghz overclocks.

 

Also when it comes to a Ryzen 7 vs 5960X they will trade blows at best. 

5 hours ago, jdwii said:

I bet i can find just as many tests where a Ryzen 7 beats a 5960X as you can find applications that use less then 8 cores that beat a ryzen 7. 

 

Way to skirt around my offer.  I figured you'd find a way to dance around it without demonstrating anything.  It allows you to keep talking without proving anything.  

 

This is in no way meant to discredit AMD or Ryzen in any way as they are fantastic in their own right, but you don't seems to care about discrediting Intel and any of their CPUs. With that said, I don't care what benchmark or real life task you pick, I'm willing to demonstrate that my 5960x will do it better than your R7.  It's really that simple.

[Damascus]

2 hours ago, Pachuca said:

that seems to be the consensus here. I was curious to see if there was a performance gain or IPC increase. I mainly use the pc for photo editing/video rendering and gaming. I have the cpu running at 4.4Ghz. I would be willing to make the switch to AMD if the performance gain would be worth it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Thank you everyone for your input and replies to my post.

If that's the case I would actually consider just plopping a 6950X to get a slight IPC boost amd more cores (though OC will likely be lower)

1 hour ago, done12many2 said:

 

Way to skirt around my offer.  I figured you'd find a way to dance around it without demonstrating anything.  It allows you to keep talking without proving anything.  

 

This is in no way meant to discredit AMD or Ryzen in any way as they are fantastic in their own right, but you don't seems to care about discrediting Intel and any of their CPUs. With that said, I don't care what benchmark or real life task you pick, I'm willing to demonstrate that my 5960x will do it better than your R7.  It's really that simple.

I'm still curious actually, can you think if any solid benchmarks that we test my 1700 against your 5960x?  I'm thinking Cinebench but thats only one test. (too bad our gpu's are so different, no game bench here)

[done12many2]

38 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I'm still curious actually, can you think if any solid benchmarks that we test my 1700 against your 5960x?  I'm thinking Cinebench but thats only one test. (too bad our gpu's are so different, no game bench here)

 

Yeah man, there are tons of CPU only tasks and benchmarks.  We could do Cinebench, Handbrake (doesn't use GPU) and a few other things.  

 

Cinebench and the sort scale very nicely with the SMT in Ryzen and should be best case scenario.  Real world use cases would not do quite as well.

 

With Handbrake, all we have to do is download the same video and convert it using the exact same settings.

 

We could do some non-GPU rendering or whatever man.

 

HWBOTx265 is another good one.  No GPU required and it will work the dog piss out of your CPU with some encoding.