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Confused by CPUs :(

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Hello all,

I'm looking to put together a new PC for gaming. I want to get a top of the line CPU but I also don't want to buy something that is overkill so I can spend that extra cash somewhere else.  What things do I need to look for in a CPU? Cores, threads, etc.  Any help is appreciated.

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Top of the line and not overkill? I think you're looking for a rainbow unicorn.

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7700K for gaming or 1700X for content creations

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at the moment most games don't really benefit from having more than 4 cores, so a 7700k is the best available, but the 7600k is also very good and cheaper. if you want to go even cheaper then a ryzen 1500x may be a good option

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

1700X for content creations

Really if you do anything on your computer Ryzen is the better value. If you only game sure get Intel but ehhh 

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Intel will give you the best performance in games but in everything else Ryzen will smoke Intel in price and perfomance. 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Really if you do anything on your computer Ryzen is the better value. If you only game sure get Intel but ehhh 

The 7700K is faster by a bit and games hardly use 4+ cores

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probably a 1600, good b350 mobo and....the gpu market is insanely bad atm so 1050ti or 1080....

Just now, stefanDB said:

but the 7600k is also very good and cheaper

4c4t cpus, forget about that trash, AAA games were already making a move toward higher core/thread utilization before ryzen launched 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

The 7700K is faster by a bit and games hardly use 4+ cores

Thats no reason to pay what Intel is asking. And that extra performance from the 7700K only matters if you have a monitor that can refresh enough to display it......

 

btw games are moving to use more cores. 

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If you want really good setup, get something like

Ryzen 5 1600

Strix B350F (best B350 you "can" get)

Be quiet! Pure Rock

GTX1080 Strix OC / 1070 Strix OC after GPU prices go back to normal

SSD 256GB

WD Black 1TB

Trident Z RGB B-Die 3200MHz CL14

Corsair RM650X

Because its 2017, case with tempered glass and RGB

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7 minutes ago, Cyracus said:

probably a 1600, good b350 mobo and....the gpu market is insanely bad atm so 1050ti or 1080....

4c4t cpus, forget about that trash, AAA games were already making a move toward higher core/thread utilization before ryzen launched 

Don't spread misinformation, 1600 MIGHT benefit 144Hz gamers, but for others it won't be relevant for at least another 4 years

 

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6 minutes ago, dave_k said:

If you want really good setup, get something like

Ryzen 5 1600

Strix B350F (best B350 you "can" get)

Be quiet! Pure Rock

GTX1080 Strix OC / 1070 Strix OC after GPU prices go back to normal

SSD 256GB

WD Black 1TB

Trident Z RGB B-Die 3200MHz CL14

Corsair RM650X

Because its 2017, case with tempered glass and RGB

Phanteks P400S Tempered Glass Edition

 

Not everyone enjoys the RGB aspect of building a PC.

The geek himself.

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15 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Thats no reason to pay what Intel is asking. And that extra performance from the 7700K only matters if you have a monitor that can refresh enough to display it......

 

btw games are moving to use more cores. 

I can agree with this. Only serious competitive FPS gamers really benefit from a high refresh display. For everyone else, 60-75hz on a low input lag display is more than sufficient for good gaming experiences. 

 

Plus most people aren't going to constantly do clean boots of their systems or close every background program every time they want to play games. People are going to multitask, and that is an area where Ryzen excels. 

 

Over the month or so that I had a 7700K, I had minor but noticeable stuttering in-game when doing any kind of multitasking or even having a fair number of background programs running. I've had none of these issues since selling my 7700K + motherboard and switching to Ryzen.

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6 minutes ago, Being Delirious said:

Not everyone enjoys the RGB aspect of building a PC.

If you get a GPU today, you get RGB, if you get a good mobo today, you get RGB. Why don't make it full rgb. I mean he doesn't have to make everything cycling colors at the speed of light, but its good to have lights that can change color scheme of you system everytime you want. . .

 

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3 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Don't spread misinformation, 1600 MIGHT benefit 144Hz gamers, but for others it won't be relevant for at least another 4 years

Ryzen would be worse for ultra high refresh rate low res...and I'm not watching a 16 min video to try to suss out your point so...what? 

My point about i5s 4c4t being trash is that they could very well end up being underpowered within a few years especially with Intel reportedly making a move to higher core counts on their mainstream in reaction to AMD coming in swinging, with mainstream cpus moving to higher cores/threads developers will utilize that

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17 minutes ago, dave_k said:

If you get a GPU today, you get RGB, if you get a good mobo today, you get RGB. Why don't make it full rgb. I mean he doesn't have to make everything cycling colors at the speed of light, but its good to have lights that can change color scheme of you system everytime you want. . .

Not always man. It's expensive.

The geek himself.

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24 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Don't spread misinformation, 1600 MIGHT benefit 144Hz gamers, but for others it won't be relevant for at least another 4 years

 

Most of the games people try to get over 144 fps are games like CS:GO, Overwatch, and Dota 2, which all run over 144 anyway on my Ryzen chip. 

 

CS:GO runs over 300 fps, Overwatch runs over 200 fps on Ultra, Doom maxed out runs around 120-200, etc.

 

For most peoples' needs, I think that's fine. People need to stop thinking that Ryzen is incapable of high refresh gaming, because that isn't true at all.

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GPU: RTX 3080 Ti FE

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Mobo: Asus Tuf X570 Plus Wifi

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PSU: EVGA G6 Supernova 850

Case: NZXT S340 Elite

 

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GPU: RTX 3060

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get Ryzen 5 and a better GPU

 

54 minutes ago, Peteris said:

Top of the line and not overkill? I think you're looking for a rainbow unicorn.

Hey! Be more respectful - that Unicorn has a name - it's Ryzen 5

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12 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

Most of the games people try to get over 144 fps are games like CS:GO, Overwatch, and Dota 2, which all run over 144 anyway on my Ryzen chip. 

 

CS:GO runs over 300 fps, Overwatch runs over 200 fps on Ultra, Doom maxed out runs around 120-200, etc.

 

For most peoples' needs, I think that's fine. People need to stop thinking that Ryzen is incapable of high refresh gaming, because that isn't true at all.

To also back up your point and put things into perspective, overwatch runs at 140fps on my FX8370@4.3ghz with my GTX 1060 6gb +200 core +300 mem at ultra settings. Ryzen is 52% faster than my CPU according to AMD so if I can saturate a 120hz monitor with ease than a ryzen CPU will do it even better than mine. 

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7 hours ago, stefanDB said:

at the moment most games don't really benefit from having more than 4 cores, so a 7700k is the best available, but the 7600k is also very good and cheaper. if you want to go even cheaper then a ryzen 1500x may be a good option

Why is it that 4 cores is about all they need? Seems to be more cores = better

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Gaming? What is your target resolution? Fps? In-game graphic settings?

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1 hour ago, Pseudopro7 said:

Why is it that 4 cores is about all they need? Seems to be more cores = better

Some games do not issue more than four threads on average. For example, GTAV issues 4 threads most of the time. It can peak up to 8 but it doesn't happen a lot.

 

Really all CPU performance does in a highish end rig is keeping minimum frame rates close to the average. If you don't mind the occasional dip, then 4C4T maybe fine for you. Bottlenecks that actually flatline performance only happens at the lower end or old hardware.

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8 hours ago, Cyracus said:

4c4t cpus, forget about that trash, AAA games were already making a move toward higher core/thread utilization before ryzen launched 

Until recently, only a handful of games benefited from having more than 4c/8t. What few games that do, see very little benefit moving from the 6700K/7700K to a 5930K that's clocked to compensate for the IPC difference (4.2GHz for the 6700K-4.4GHz for the 7700K), neighborhood of less than single digit gains at the average, and little gain when all platforms are paired with RAM that is clocked and timed similarly.

 

And even then, the statement is flawed. Games are moving towards higher thread counts, we'll see games that benefit from CPUs that can concurrently maintain 6 threads, maybe 8 threads, but it won't scale far beyond that. Games can only be parallelized so much, and quite frankly, the benefit of having 6C12T and up will come down to multitasking not affecting gameplay and minor performance improvements of more niche games. We stand to gain more by leveraging more efficient instruction sets. AVX/AVX2, which the R7 1800X is still falling behind the 7700K.

 

Don't get me wrong, Ryzen is very capable with gaming, but the strong point of Ryzen's core counts come down to multitasking whilst gaming. Not when one is just gaming. But that doesn't magically make the 6600K/7600K bad at gaming. They're behind the 6700K/7700K, but they're still very capable of gaming, and they will be for quite some time.

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