Ryzen 1700 OC Success and Fail (AM3) Story

[MCCOPRA]

Good Morning and Good Night To All From Cyprus(Hell On Earth(Heat Wise)).

 

I wanted to share my experience with Ryzen 1700 OC with you guyz.

 

I Up/side graded My X99 5820k 4.4Ghz Build it was time to move while the stocks lasts.

 

So i ordered Ryzen 1700( King OC Forever) and Asus Crosshair VI Hero (Best Mobo for AM4 Currently not because best oc but thanks to am3 holes on board.)

 

For memory i was gonna go with 2x 8gb HyperX 2133mhz kits but because of the pressure of the forum I upgraded them to 2x 8 HyperX Fury Black 2666Mhz kit (Verified list from Mobo).

 

I got parts installed everything cpu - mobo - rams and my lovely h115i cooler from corsair with AM3 back plate from store (Please Asus for next board include the am3 back plate Thank for holes anyways).

 

Loaded windows everything was fine. Tested stock for 2-3 days. some stability tests and found out that ryzen is hot as hell (not) and vent into ocing for the 3rd day). Tried 4ghz first got crash - tried 3.9 3.8 3.7 3.6 all crashed i was really pissed so i went and downloaded ryzen master and just upped voltage to see what can i do. give in 1.3v and tested instant jumped to 90c and crash. I just said ok lets check cpu block, opened case it was stable but wiggly a bit.

 

Got into my Stash of parts found a am3+ bracket checked sizes similar but there was a huge difference.

AM3 backplate was 1mm taller so insta switched and got a rock solid block in a second. logged in windows bam 26c idle.

 

Went back into bios loaded pre 4ghz bam windows loaded cinebench completed but crashed with Realbench so needed more voltage vent back in dialed custom settings and got a rock solid stable 3.9ghz@1.45v with load 60c.

 

I am happy now lesson learned not all back plates are similar and there is difference between am3 metal - plastic and am3+ plastic and metal plates what you need is am3+ metal back plate if you are mounting anything to C6H board that requires a am3 back plate.

 

Enough with wall of text. Here are some pictures of My Case and Benches, Tests. Cpu-Z - Cinebench R15 - RealBench - Aida64

 

 

 

 

 

[dizmo]

Did you try different memory?

[Guest]

That seems like way to much voltage for 3.9. 

[DrMikeNZ]

2 hours ago, jdwii said:

That seems like way to much voltage for 3.9. 

It really depends on the CPU though. Some Ryzen processors need that much to be stable. My R7 1700 requires 1.325V for 3.8GHz and 1.425V for 3.9GHz.

I only leave mine at 3.8GHz because the CPU power draw increased from 65-70W at 3.8GHz to 95-100W at 3.9GHz. While I would not consider this to be a problem for longevity and temperatures were fine, as I run my CPU under 24/7 loads the small performance benefits just didn't outweigh the significant power draw increase.

[MCCOPRA]

9 hours ago, dizmo said:

Did you try different memory?

İts the latest agesa did not had any other problems - rams are capable of 3200mhz with cl18 tested on intel system but not did not push above stock 2666mhz for now since i set cl15 and it still uses cl16 might need another bios and all the other rams i can buy are samsung d-die or hynix yet so waiting for some decent b-die corsair or gskill rgb kit to be available in my stores.

 

6 hours ago, jdwii said:

That seems like way to much voltage for 3.9. 

Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include

1.3 for Stock Fan

1.35 for one tower air

1.4 for two tower air

1.45 for basic aio 120mm or high air cooling

1.5 for 240+360 aio or custom water

1.55+ for extreme oc but you dont 24/7 this unless you want to change chip in 3 years but really good cooling needed.

 

for SoC

1.1v is minimum you want for simple oc and ram stability

1.2v is still safe if you need stability

1.25v is getting to extreme oc part or you just want to squeeze the last bit for more ram oc.

 

for memory if your ram can handle you can go up to

1.5v for up to 3200mhz stable

or

1.65v for some extreme oc that is just benching not 24/7

 

Generally as long as it boots up and you can cool it under 30 minute synthetic stress loads it will be fine.

 

 

3 hours ago, DrMikeNZ said:

It really depends on the CPU though. Some Ryzen processors need that much to be stable. My R7 1700 requires 1.325V for 3.8GHz and 1.425V for 3.9GHz.

I only leave mine at 3.8GHz because the CPU power draw increased from 65-70W at 3.8GHz to 95-100W at 3.9GHz. While I would not consider this to be a problem for longevity and temperatures were fine, as I run my CPU under 24/7 loads the small performance benefits just didn't outweigh the significant power draw increase.

coming from 5820k 4.6ghz 1.4v ryzen power usage is really good for me.

 

For current bios i need to set 1.475v with LLC on auto. it jumps between 1.4 and 1.461v since i can cool it and its 100% stable with gpu load.

Will use it for a week and see if its fine and save the bios and move in some tweaking maybe i can get less vcore with same or better speeds but

i will deffinetly need better ram with samsung b-die since my limit seems hyperx 2666mhz hynix sticks.

 

will get some 3d mark and userbench scores soon.

[DrMikeNZ]

26 minutes ago, MCCOPRA said:

Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include

"Max safe" should be really be replaced with "Max what I am personally comfortable with". Nothing is safe, unlucky components could spontaneously fail at any point.

[MCCOPRA]

2 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

"Max safe" should be really be replaced with "Max what I am personally comfortable with". Nothing is safe, unlucky components could spontaneously fail at any point.

thats why i used

 

"Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include"

 

but yea you never know you might be just unlucky and kill your part with static electricity too.

 

killed my radeon 9800SE back in the old days.

[DrMikeNZ]

20 minutes ago, MCCOPRA said:

thats why i used

 

"Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include"

 

but yea you never know you might be just unlucky and kill your part with static electricity too.

 

killed my radeon 9800SE back in the old days.

I didn't mean to sound like I was correcting you for the usage of "Max Safe", but more the need for the change in the terminology in general across the community.

[MCCOPRA]

Update - I just ordered myself a brand new  G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz CL14 - F4-3000C14D-16GTZ - https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3000c14d-16gtz -

 

Which is 100% Compatible and capable to run at 3200mhz and above -

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/769657-G-Skill-Trident-Z-2x8GB-DDR4-3000-CL14-F4-3000C14D-16GTZ

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-memory-support-to-be-expanded-with-upcoming-microcode-update/

 

https://www.toptengamer.com/best-ram-amd-ryzen-5-7-cpu/

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

 

In 3 days it should be here. really wanted to get and RGB Crucial or Gskill kit they are hit and miss never mind. can get a hue+ next months for plenty of RGB speed boost

[Guest]

14 hours ago, MCCOPRA said:

İts the latest agesa did not had any other problems - rams are capable of 3200mhz with cl18 tested on intel system but not did not push above stock 2666mhz for now since i set cl15 and it still uses cl16 might need another bios and all the other rams i can buy are samsung d-die or hynix yet so waiting for some decent b-die corsair or gskill rgb kit to be available in my stores.

 

Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include

1.3 for Stock Fan

1.35 for one tower air

1.4 for two tower air

1.45 for basic aio 120mm or high air cooling

1.5 for 240+360 aio or custom water

1.55+ for extreme oc but you dont 24/7 this unless you want to change chip in 3 years but really good cooling needed.

 

for SoC

1.1v is minimum you want for simple oc and ram stability

1.2v is still safe if you need stability

1.25v is getting to extreme oc part or you just want to squeeze the last bit for more ram oc.

 

for memory if your ram can handle you can go up to

1.5v for up to 3200mhz stable

or

1.65v for some extreme oc that is just benching not 24/7

 

Generally as long as it boots up and you can cool it under 30 minute synthetic stress loads it will be fine.

 

 

coming from 5820k 4.6ghz 1.4v ryzen power usage is really good for me.

 

For current bios i need to set 1.475v with LLC on auto. it jumps between 1.4 and 1.461v since i can cool it and its 100% stable with gpu load.

Will use it for a week and see if its fine and save the bios and move in some tweaking maybe i can get less vcore with same or better speeds but

i will deffinetly need better ram with samsung b-die since my limit seems hyperx 2666mhz hynix sticks.

 

will get some 3d mark and userbench scores soon.

No its not just as simple as cooling it and it will be fine, it has to do that setting that voltage above 1.425V for long periods of time destroys the CPU itself and one will degrade its life time. Even if you have it cooled at 40C 24/7 that is why Amd recommended 1.35V 100% safe and 1.425V is the max that should be put on the processor. Generally 1.35V to 1.4V should be the limit. 

[DrMikeNZ]

8 minutes ago, jdwii said:

No its not just as simple as cooling it and it will be fine, it has to do that setting that voltage above 1.425V for long periods of time destroys the CPU itself and one will degrade its life time. Even if you have it cooled at 40C 24/7 that is why Amd recommended 1.35V 100% safe and 1.425V is the max that should be put on the processor. Generally 1.35V to 1.4V should be the limit. 

There have been plenty of claims of recommended max voltages that AMD has supposedly said. Any statement that AMD have made regarding voltage has erred on the side of caution. If you are only comfortable with 1.35-1.40V, then that's fine.

[protondog]

On 08/07/2017 at 11:54 PM, MCCOPRA said:

Good Morning and Good Night To All From Cyprus(Hell On Earth(Heat Wise)).

 

I wanted to share my experience with Ryzen 1700 OC with you guyz.

 

I Up/side graded My X99 5820k 4.4Ghz Build it was time to move while the stocks lasts.

 

So i ordered Ryzen 1700( King OC Forever) and Asus Crosshair VI Hero (Best Mobo for AM4 Currently not because best oc but thanks to am3 holes on board.)

 

For memory i was gonna go with 2x 8gb HyperX 2133mhz kits but because of the pressure of the forum I upgraded them to 2x 8 HyperX Fury Black 2666Mhz kit (Verified list from Mobo).

 

I got parts installed everything cpu - mobo - rams and my lovely h115i cooler from corsair with AM3 back plate from store (Please Asus for next board include the am3 back plate Thank for holes anyways).

 

Loaded windows everything was fine. Tested stock for 2-3 days. some stability tests and found out that ryzen is hot as hell (not) and vent into ocing for the 3rd day). Tried 4ghz first got crash - tried 3.9 3.8 3.7 3.6 all crashed i was really pissed so i went and downloaded ryzen master and just upped voltage to see what can i do. give in 1.3v and tested instant jumped to 90c and crash. I just said ok lets check cpu block, opened case it was stable but wiggly a bit.

 

Got into my Stash of parts found a am3+ bracket checked sizes similar but there was a huge difference.

AM3 backplate was 1mm taller so insta switched and got a rock solid block in a second. logged in windows bam 26c idle.

 

Went back into bios loaded pre 4ghz bam windows loaded cinebench completed but crashed with Realbench so needed more voltage vent back in dialed custom settings and got a rock solid stable 3.9ghz@1.45v with load 60c.

 

I am happy now lesson learned not all back plates are similar and there is difference between am3 metal - plastic and am3+ plastic and metal plates what you need is am3+ metal back plate if you are mounting anything to C6H board that requires a am3 back plate.

 

Enough with wall of text. Here are some pictures of My Case and Benches, Tests. Cpu-Z - Cinebench R15 - RealBench - Aida64

 

 

 

 

 

I wish I was as lucky, my setup is nearly identical except I have an h100i and I can not get it over 3.5 GHz its like a wall is there. I have followed every YouTube video and forum post. I have no heat issues it just defaults to 1500 GHz but does not crash then I reboot and the same again, it has me demented.

[MCCOPRA]

17 hours ago, jdwii said:

No its not just as simple as cooling it and it will be fine, it has to do that setting that voltage above 1.425V for long periods of time destroys the CPU itself and one will degrade its life time. Even if you have it cooled at 40C 24/7 that is why Amd recommended 1.35V 100% safe and 1.425V is the max that should be put on the processor. Generally 1.35V to 1.4V should be the limit. 

"

From Tom's Review:

"AMD predicts that most customers should see somewhere between 3.9 and 4.1 GHz across all cores, and suggests you stick with a 1.35V ceiling if you want your chip to last. Although core voltages in excess of 1.45V are considered sustainable, they'll have a more pronounced effect on longevity."

Tom's hardware indicates that that drop-off point is 1.45 volt

 

From Kitguru:

"Default voltage for manual tuning should start at around 1.3625V, according to AMD. Users should be fine pushing to 1.40V with a decent CPU cooler and up to 1.45V with a high-end dual-tower heatsink or dual-fan AIO radiator. At 1.45V, however, AMD suggests that processor longevity could be affected according to their models."

I take that to mean 1.35-1.45V is probably safe depending on your cooling solution.

 

"

Coppied from Reddit Posts

 

"Anything under 1.45 is babying the chip, it'll live forever.

1.45-1.55 still within a relatively safe range, may take 10% off the lifetime.

1.55+ Chip life will likely be 3 years or less and very cooling sensitive (sub ambient or phase change required). Mem voltage 1.5 and less are perfectly safe. 1.65 mem voltage for extreme OC's, will shorten life by about 30%. "

 

Also another good read for ryzen

http://overclocking.guide/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-extreme-overclocking-guide/#Safe_Voltage_Ranges

[MCCOPRA]

16 hours ago, protondog said:

I wish I was as lucky, my setup is nearly identical except I have an h100i and I can not get it over 3.5 GHz its like a wall is there. I have followed every YouTube video and forum post. I have no heat issues it just defaults to 1500 GHz but does not crash then I reboot and the same again, it has me demented.

What is you ram brand also psu and mobo and did you have latest bios ?

[MCCOPRA]

Some Updated Tweaks to keep lower temp lower voltage 3.8ghz 1.35v(AMD Recommended)

 

 

[jjohnthedon1]

On 09/07/2017 at 9:39 AM, MCCOPRA said:

İts the latest agesa did not had any other problems - rams are capable of 3200mhz with cl18 tested on intel system but not did not push above stock 2666mhz for now since i set cl15 and it still uses cl16 might need another bios and all the other rams i can buy are samsung d-die or hynix yet so waiting for some decent b-die corsair or gskill rgb kit to be available in my stores.

 

Max Safe Voltages for Ryzen 7 to myths for now include

1.3 for Stock Fan

1.35 for one tower air

1.4 for two tower air

1.45 for basic aio 120mm or high air cooling

1.5 for 240+360 aio or custom water

1.55+ for extreme oc but you dont 24/7 this unless you want to change chip in 3 years but really good cooling needed.

 

for SoC

1.1v is minimum you want for simple oc and ram stability

1.2v is still safe if you need stability

1.25v is getting to extreme oc part or you just want to squeeze the last bit for more ram oc.

 

for memory if your ram can handle you can go up to

1.5v for up to 3200mhz stable

or

1.65v for some extreme oc that is just benching not 24/7

 

Generally as long as it boots up and you can cool it under 30 minute synthetic stress loads it will be fine.

 

 

coming from 5820k 4.6ghz 1.4v ryzen power usage is really good for me.

 

For current bios i need to set 1.475v with LLC on auto. it jumps between 1.4 and 1.461v since i can cool it and its 100% stable with gpu load.

Will use it for a week and see if its fine and save the bios and move in some tweaking maybe i can get less vcore with same or better speeds but

i will deffinetly need better ram with samsung b-die since my limit seems hyperx 2666mhz hynix sticks.

 

will get some 3d mark and userbench scores soon.

I'm at 1.4v at ghz with a 280 aio and temps are 55 max for me  I love ryzen 

 

[MCCOPRA]

Update

Got My Gskill Kit Finally - Installed in System Setup XMP 3000mhz success.

On 09/07/2017 at 6:26 PM, MCCOPRA said:

G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz CL14 - F4-3000C14D-16GTZ -

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3000c14d-16gtz -

 

 

then got Greedy Set it for 3600mhz - boot defaulted to 2133mhz but setting to 3200mhz with 3000 timings is success

 

Current 3.8ghz 3200mhz kit is

20 points faster than 3.8Ghz 2666mhz HyperX kit and 20 points lower than 3.9ghz 2666mhz Kit.