What does AMD Vega need to be a success?

[App4that]

3 hours ago, othertomperson said:

Looking on Amazon,

 

RX 580: ~£250

GTX 1060: ~£250

 

What's your point? Two nearly identically powered cards for near identical prices.

Hmm. Well that's interesting. I went in to show you the difference between the 4g 580 and 3g 1060 and how Nvidia cut down the GPU for no other reason than spite. 

 

But, there are no 580s outside scaplers. No 480s either. I had noticed when I went to try and pick up a 1080 that was on sale for a silly price that Fry's didn't have any, but they're fanboys so figured fanboy reasons. This, is interesting. 

 

[othertomperson]

On 2017-6-5 at 1:45 AM, App4that said:

Hmm. Well that's interesting. I went in to show you the difference between the 4g 580 and 3g 1060 and how Nvidia cut down the GPU for no other reason than spite. 

 

But, there are no 580s outside scaplers. No 480s either. I had noticed when I went to try and pick up a 1080 that was on sale for a silly price that Fry's didn't have any, but they're fanboys so figured fanboy reasons. This, is interesting. 

 

"Nvidia cut down the GPU for no other reason than spite"? So AMD gets a free pass to cut down Polaris 10, but Nvidia gets shit on for doing the exact same thing with GP-104? Why is Nvidia allowed to have a card that competes with the 480 and 460, but not the 470 to you?

[App4that]

14 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

"Nvidia cut down the GPU for no other reason than spite"? So AMD gets a free pass to cut down Polaris 10, but Nvidia gets shit on for doing the exact same thing with GP-104? Why is Nvidia allowed to have a card that competes with the 480 and 460, but not the 470 to you?

Because AMD changed the name. AMD didn't cut the GPU on the 480 4g. Nvidia cut the GPU on the 1060 3g, Nvidia should have called it by a different name. Maybe the full chip a 1060ti, and the cut down a 1060. But no, Nvidia knew anyone who didn't research it would fall for it thinking only the memory was different. That's a breach of trust. 

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Because AMD changed the name. AMD didn't cut the GPU on the 480 4g. Nvidia cut the GPU on the 1060 3g, Nvidia should have called it by a different name. Maybe the full chip a 1060ti, and the cut down a 1060. But no, Nvidia knew anyone who didn't research it would fall for it thinking only the memory was different. That's a breach of trust. 

AMD did cut down the GPU of the 480... what do you think the 470 is? The name is stupid, but expecting them to have no competing product between the 1060 and 1050 Ti is equally stupid imo.

[App4that]

Just now, othertomperson said:

AMD did cut down the GPU of the 480... what do you think the 470 is? The name is stupid, but expecting them to have no competing product between the 1060 and 1050 Ti is equally stupid imo.

You're not making sense. The 1070 is a cut down 1080. When you cut the cores, you change the name. Nvidia broke that rule with the 1060 3g.

[othertomperson]

Just now, App4that said:

You're not making sense. The 1070 is a cut down 1080. When you cut the cores, you change the name. Nvidia broke that rule with the 1060 3g.

I've said the name is stupid, but if you're going to go on a tirade about Nvidia doing this, where's your tirade for AMD re-releasing the Radeon Pro Duo, with the same name and lower specs than the old one? Where's your tirade about AMD deciding to give their chipsets a generation name higher than Intel's equivalent chipsets in order to dupe unknowing consumers into thinking that it's better or more modern?

 

Your comment that the only reason the 3GB 1060 exists is out of spite, when it was to compete with the 470 is ridiculous. It's also more accurate to say that the process of cutting down GP-104 (which involved disabling a memory controller, as well as cores) resulted in it having less vram. Of course, in years gone by they would have split the memory bandwidth, but apparently that's frowned upon now as well...

[App4that]

6 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

I've said the name is stupid, but if you're going to go on a tirade about Nvidia doing this, where's your tirade for AMD re-releasing the Radeon Pro Duo, with the same name and lower specs than the old one? Where's your tirade about AMD deciding to give their chipsets a generation name higher than Intel's equivalent chipsets in order to dupe unknowing consumers into thinking that it's better or more modern?

 

Your comment that the only reason the 3GB 1060 exists is out of spite, when it was to compete with the 470 is ridiculous. It's also more accurate to say that the process of cutting down GP-104 (which involved disabling a memory controller, as well as cores) resulted in it having less vram. Of course, in years gone by they would have split the memory bandwidth, but apparently that's frowned upon now as well...

Damn bro, I'm here for you. let out all the feels.

 

The 470 is not a stupid name, AMD cut cores so set the name lower than the card they cut, standard practice (unless you're Nvidia and take advantage of people) Why Nvidia cut cores from the GP104 doesn't matter, they did and passed it off as a bigger GPU. Nvidia had tons of options to avoid confusion, they chose to not care about their customers.

 

The X399 designation is actually pretty funny. Intel deserves it. Intel is a 800lb gorilla and AMD is a sugar glidder, if you're worried about the 800lb gorilla being picked on, things are better than I thought for the sugar glider

[othertomperson]

20 hours ago, App4that said:

Damn bro, I'm here for you. let out all the feels.

 

The 470 is not a stupid name, AMD cut cores so set the name lower than the card they cut, standard practice (unless you're Nvidia and take advantage of people) Why Nvidia cut cores from the GP104 doesn't matter, they did and passed it off as a bigger GPU. Nvidia had tons of options to avoid confusion, they chose to not care about their customers.

 

The X399 designation is actually pretty funny. Intel deserves it. Intel is a 800lb gorilla and AMD is a sugar glidder, if you're worried about the 800lb gorilla being picked on, things are better than I thought for the sugar glider

It's not about "being picked on", these are billion dollar corporations, not school children. Your anthropomorphism of AMD is weird and I think is leading to the obvious double standard between how you colour their actions, vs Intel and Nvidia when they do the exact same things.

[Nena Trinity]

Better than 1080 and cheaper!

[App4that]

2 hours ago, othertomperson said:

It's not about "being picked on", these are billion dollar corporations, not school children. Your anthropomorphism of AMD is weird and I think is leading to the obvious double standard between how you colour their actions, vs Intel and Nvidia when they do the exact same things.

What? No where have I shown a double standard. You don't seem to understand naming nomenclature. Which I know isn't true. All I can think is emotion is driving your posting.

 

Nvidia lied, they're lying every time they sell a 1060 3g. It's not a 1060. To be a 1060 it needs 1280 cuda cores. When a 1060 3g has 1280 cuda cores, you can say I'm using a double standard. 

[othertomperson]

48 minutes ago, App4that said:

What? No where have I shown a double standard. You don't seem to understand naming nomenclature. Which I know isn't true. All I can think is emotion is driving your posting.

 

Nvidia lied, they're lying every time they sell a 1060 3g. It's not a 1060. To be a 1060 it needs 1280 cuda cores. When a 1060 3g has 1280 cuda cores, you can say I'm using a double standard. 

You're the one being emotional, accusing a company of lying, of personifying AMD, of proclaiming a product to be "spiteful". The only negative emotion I feel right now is irritation that you are ignoring every fucking time I've agreed that the name is stupid. If I'm irritated it's because you aren't arguing with what I'm saying, you're arguing with what you want me to have said, and it's starting to piss me off a bit.

 

I'm going to start copying and pasting responses now because I've addressed everything that you keep saying:

 

I've said the name is stupid, but if you're going to go on a tirade about Nvidia doing this, where's your tirade for AMD re-releasing the Radeon Pro Duo, with the same name and lower specs than the old one?* Where's your tirade about AMD deciding to give their chipsets a generation name higher than Intel's equivalent chipsets in order to dupe unknowing consumers into thinking that it's better or more modern?

 

*Because you seem to be ignoring this one, one Radeon Pro Duo has over 8000 Stream Processors and 8GB HBM, the other doesn't. Both have identical product names. Oh and btw, the newer one is the lower spec variant. So there's your double standard.

[App4that]

2 hours ago, othertomperson said:

You're the one being emotional, accusing a company of lying, of personifying AMD, of proclaiming a product to be "spiteful". The only negative emotion I feel right now is irritation that you are ignoring every fucking time I've agreed that the name is stupid. If I'm irritated it's because you aren't arguing with what I'm saying, you're arguing with what you want me to have said, and it's starting to piss me off a bit.

 

I'm going to start copying and pasting responses now because I've addressed everything that you keep saying:

 

I've said the name is stupid, but if you're going to go on a tirade about Nvidia doing this, where's your tirade for AMD re-releasing the Radeon Pro Duo, with the same name and lower specs than the old one?* Where's your tirade about AMD deciding to give their chipsets a generation name higher than Intel's equivalent chipsets in order to dupe unknowing consumers into thinking that it's better or more modern?

 

*Because you seem to be ignoring this one, one Radeon Pro Duo has over 8000 Stream Processors and 8GB HBM, the other doesn't. Both have identical product names. Oh and btw, the newer one is the lower spec variant. So there's your double standard.

So Nvidia doesn't have a Maxwell Titan X, and a Pascal Titan X? Generational changes are different.

 

You give your account to someone else?