Why 1080p needs more CPU than 4k

[typographie]

15 minutes ago, smokefest said:

Rise of the tomb raider is very cpu demanding also, specially in the forest, my 4690K @ 4.6 ghz was topin 100% and gpu usage was struggling because of that.

I think you and I have had this discussion before in another thread, which resulted in me posting a couple megabytes of benchmarking screenshots. At least, I think that was you.

 

I'll just say for the purposes of this thread my experiences with Rise do not match yours, at least not at 1080p and ultra detail with my i5 and GTX 1070.

[pyrojoe34]

2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Is it really though? When you use FPS limiter, GPU load will drop but CPU usage remain the same.

 

I have tested this (specifically on BF1). The CPU load is directly related to the FPS. When running at ~110fps the CPU load was 40-50%, when I set the max framerate to 60fps (without changing any other settings) the CPU load was 30-40%. I also checked 1080p vs 4k (again changing no other settings). 1080p ran at ~110fps and used 40-50% CPU, 4k ran at ~35fps and used 20-30% CPU. I tested both these scenarios a few times and the effect was very apparent and robust.

 

This was done using an i7-6800k (@ 4Ghz) and a GTX980.

[Mick Naughty]

Black ops 3, 100% usage on 1080p on a 4790k. With old 7 series cards. 

[smokefest]

21 minutes ago, typographie said:

I think you and I have had this discussion before in another thread, which resulted in me posting a couple megabytes of benchmarking screenshots. At least, I think that was you.

 

I'll just say for the purposes of this thread my experiences with Rise do not match yours, at least not at 1080p and ultra detail with my i5 and GTX 1070.

Go in the forest, open afterburner, an i5 gets to 100% usage easily there, only a fact, it was a 4690K @ 4.6 ghz so.. its even better than a 6600k stock...

 

Since I have my 6700k, no more issues in the forest, cpu usage even got up to 80% with the i7 6700K @ 4.5 ghz

 

 

[smokefest]

2 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Black ops 3, 100% usage on 1080p on a 4790k. With old 7 series cards. 

You must have an issue somwhere in windows or IDK,

 

Black ops 3 is a joke for a 4790k

[smokefest]

3 minutes ago, pyrojoe34 said:

I have tested this (specifically on BF1). The CPU load is directly related to the FPS. When running at ~110fps the CPU load was 40-50%, when I set the max framerate to 60fps (without changing any other settings) the CPU load was 30-40%. I also checked 1080p vs 4k (again changing no other settings). 1080p ran at ~110fps and used 40-50% CPU, 4k ran at ~35fps and used 20-30% CPU. I tested both these scenarios a few times and the effect was very apparent and robust.

 

This was done using an i7-6800k (@ 4Ghz) and a GTX980.

yea that's correct this is how it works. more frames = more cpu usage.

[Mick Naughty]

17 minutes ago, smokefest said:

You must have an issue somwhere in windows or IDK,

 

Black ops 3 is a joke for a 4790k

No issues. Just a shitty game. Like bf1 for the first few months. 

[App4that]

People are stopping at 1080p, don't stop at 1080p. 

 

Someone buying a 7700k that *might* gain them 10fps at 1080p while using a 1080ti, simply because of that 10fps is fucking stupid. I run 2 980ti and a 4790k at 1440 with 144hz of headroom, and no concerns. A Ryzen R7 1700 can match my old girl. 

 

Giving advice because of 10fps at 1080p using a 1080ti is the worst thing I've seen on LTT. 

[knightslugger]

Just now, App4that said:

10fps is fucking stupid.

that's just, like, your opinion man.

[App4that]

Just now, knightslugger said:

that's just, like, your opinion man.

Actually, no. Me saying Coke is better than Pepsi, that's an opinion. If I say it's better to buy a 16 pack of Coke, than the 8 pack of Pepsi when the 16 pack of Coke is cheaper. That's evidenced based, but subject to taste. If I say don't buy that 8 pack of Coke at the gas station, go to the Store next door and get a 16 pack of Coke for less. That's qualitative as you might be lazy and not want to walk. 

[smokefest]

57 minutes ago, App4that said:

People are stopping at 1080p, don't stop at 1080p. 

 

Someone buying a 7700k that *might* gain them 10fps at 1080p while using a 1080ti, simply because of that 10fps is fucking stupid. I run 2 980ti and a 4790k at 1440 with 144hz of headroom, and no concerns. A Ryzen R7 1700 can match my old girl. 

 

Giving advice because of 10fps at 1080p using a 1080ti is the worst thing I've seen on LTT. 

Well, I am not saying you NEED a 7700k for a GTX 1080 ti, but you just confirmed that you get better fps with a 7700K, so... that means to get the max optimal performance with a gtx 1080 ti you should get a 7700k  

[Mick Naughty]

In that case max performance would also mean 720 or 1080p.

 

[App4that]

1 minute ago, smokefest said:

Well, I am not saying you NEED a 7700k for a GTX 1080 ti, but you just confirmed that you get better fps with a 7700K, so... that means to get the max optimal performance with a gtx 1080 ti you should get a 7700k  

We've been over this, and I was careful to highlight *might*.

 

No one only games, the perception is they only game. Ever unzipped a file? 

 

The  difference between the 7700k and 1700 in gaming is artificial, why people came unglued when the benchmarks were used. 

[smokefest]

42 minutes ago, App4that said:

We've been over this, and I was careful to highlight *might*.

 

No one only games, the perception is they only game. Ever unzipped a file? 

 

The  difference between the 7700k and 1700 in gaming is artificial, why people came unglued when the benchmarks were used. 

No there's a real difference between 7700k and 1700 in gaming even in 1440p or 4k and even TODAY after updates, you can see many benchmarks on youtube that confirms this.

 

Ever unzipped a file ? Like your saying unzipping a file is long with a 7700k ? Its fast as hell we don't care saving .1 sec on unzipping a file but we care in having 10+ fps in a game so we get 7700k u know  

[smokefest]

47 minutes ago, App4that said:

We've been over this, and I was careful to highlight *might*.

 

No one only games, the perception is they only game. Ever unzipped a file? 

 

The  difference between the 7700k and 1700 in gaming is artificial, why people came unglued when the benchmarks were used. 

this is 1080p

 

 

this is 4K,

 

As you can see, even in 4k, the 7700k deliver better performance

 

Not by far, but its obvious that the 7700k deliver better fps in most games so to say its "artificial" is wrong

 

[App4that]

2 hours ago, smokefest said:

 

 

If the Vega card delivered 5-10 fps less than the 1080ti, but was cheaper and had HBM2, you'd buy the 1080ti?

 

Oh, and all new architectures have slow starts, while you're paying more to have to delid, this happened. 

 

 

[smokefest]

15 hours ago, App4that said:

If the Vega card delivered 5-10 fps less than the 1080ti, but was cheaper and had HBM2, you'd buy the 1080ti?

 

Oh, and all new architectures have slow starts, while you're paying more to have to delid, this happened. 

 

 

Depends how much cheaper, but if like 20% cheaper for 10% less performance than a 1080 ti, I would buy the 1080 ti because I want best performance and don't give a dman fu** about the money

 

But you have a point  

[App4that]

3 hours ago, smokefest said:

Depends how much cheaper, but if like 20% cheaper for 10% less performance than a 1080 ti, I would buy the 1080 ti because I want best performance and don't give a dman fu** about the money

 

But you have a point  

I just don't see how people defend Intel, I just don't. You're getting way less CPU for your money, and when Intel goes cheap on the heat spreader, this is their response...

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

[smokefest]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

I just don't see how people defend Intel, I just don't. You're getting way less CPU for your money, and when Intel goes cheap on the heat spreader, this is their response...

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

I don't defend Intel.. And I don't see difference in windows apps on my friend's ryzen compared to my 6700k ( just so you know that the extra power the 16 threads deliver to the computer is irrelevent for me, I don't stream, I don't program or render things, all I do is Game and youtube on my computer. )

 

So What I want is Pure Gaming Power. And that is a 7700k my friend. not a ryzen for sure.

 

I'm not saying ryzen is not good for gaming, its awesome, and its awesome for workstation and other things in windows I agree..

 

All we say is the best gaming CPU today is the 7700K and nobody can deny that  

[App4that]

Just now, smokefest said:

I don't defend Intel.. And I don't see difference in windows apps on my friend's ryzen compared to my 6700k ( just so you know that the extra power the 16 threads deliver to the computer is irrelevent for me, I don't stream, I don't program or render things, all I do is Game and youtube on my computer. )

 

So What I want is Pure Gaming Power. And that is a 7700k my friend. not a ryzen for sure.

 

I'm not saying ryzen is not good for gaming, its awesome, and its awesome for workstation and other things in windows I agree..

 

All we say is the best gaming CPU today is the 7700K and nobody can deny that  

Actually, yes, that's the point of contention. The 7700k is not the best gaming CPU, not even the best 1080p CPU. The furthest you could get is that the 7700K is one of the best gaming CPU's.

 

And I call BS on your windows apps LOL, my bro has a 1700. 

[smokefest]

Just now, App4that said:

Actually, yes, that's the point of contention. The 7700k is not the best gaming CPU, not even the best 1080p CPU. The furthest you could get is that the 7700K is one of the best gaming CPU's.

 

And I call BS on your windows apps LOL, my bro has a 1700. 

yeah my friend has a 1700 and its not faster than my 6700k im always first in games menu, in evertything we do, but it could be a user thing  

 

Thing is, loading an app nowadays with an i7 takes .01 seconde, I don't care if the ryzen takes .008 sec and is .002 faster. i won't see the difference. But having 10% 20% more FPS in a game, YES that I will see the difference. Theres no way a ryzen is the best gaming cpu nowadays, no way. It underperforms a 7700k in 90% of situations and you can find that everywhere, in 1080p or 4k the 7700k wins every fight. So here I wonder why you still argue about that or defend AMD ??? amd fan boy ?

 

In a response to your thing concertning the intel thread about oc : i'll just leave this person comments here as it resume well why they said that

 

 

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"We do not recommend running outside the processor specifications, such as by exceeding processor frequency or voltage specifications, or removing of the integrated heat spreader (sometimes called 'de-lidding'). These actions will void the processor warranty. "

 

 

I think this is nothing more than generic butt-covering. If Intel were to say "it's fine, do what you want" then when it breaks, they could be liable for that. The stance is nothing more than "you could do it, we don't recommend it, so if you break anything, it is 100% your problem, not ours". That's standard overclocking risks.

 

Basically pcgamer is trying to blow up a non-event into a story.

[smokefest]

Only place Ryzen is better is for multi tasking, rendering, VM's stuff like that.

 

For normal windows usage you won't see a difference and for gaming, then you will miss your i7 7700K since ryzen underperforms in every aspect

[App4that]

1 minute ago, smokefest said:

yeah my friend has a 1700 and its not faster than my 6700k im always first in games menu, in evertything we do, but it could be a user thing  

Bro, I have to stop you right there. That's your drive, not the CPU...

 

Literally the only thing Intel has over Ryzen is the 7700k's 5-10 fps at 1080p using a 1080ti, right now. That's nothing. 

[smokefest]

Just now, App4that said:

Bro, I have to stop you right there. That's your drive, not the CPU...

 

Literally the only thing Intel has over Ryzen is the 7700k's 5-10 fps at 1080p using a 1080ti, right now. That's nothing. 

Yea we have the same Drive.

 

And nope. 7700 wins in 4k benchmarks also. 

 

and its often 10-20% more fps, so from 100 to 120 thats 20 fps

[smokefest]

Show me results, the day AMD will release a better gaming CPU than Intel I will get it happily. I like AMD. it's just not the case right now. Great cpus ryzen are... and instead of buyin an i5 i would suggest to buy ryzen 5. its better overall for sure.

 

Talking about BEST gaming performance ? 7700K for sure. not even a question