Ryzen 5 or i5

[FelixTheOG]

I am building a pc and I was wondering if I should wait for ryzen 5 to release.

if I were to go ryzen I would get the 1500x. 

With ryzen i feel that the stock cooler would look and perform better than the intel one so I could save money on the cooler.

 

Would the 1500x perform better in games? Or would it be better to stay with the i5-7500. 

All I want is a cpu that will last me about 6-7 years into the future and that will stay good. And that is around or under £190

 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3Rd9vV

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, FelixTheOG said:

All I want is a cpu that will last me about 6-7 years into the future and that will stay good.

Then you need to go with at least the locked i7 7700, never mind the i5's they are on their last days for high end gaming.

 

Also Intel stock cooler is ugly but effective for locked CPUs.

[genexis_x]

5 minutes ago, FelixTheOG said:

All I want is a cpu that will last me about 6-7 years into the future and that will stay good.

In this case I will go for Ryzen 5.

 

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Then you need to go with at least the locked i7 7700, never mind the i5's they are on their last days for high end gaming.

An i7 also a good choice if you willing to spend more money for higher clock speeds.

[Guest]

Well, as after a few months, developers would surely look at making the games compatible with multiple cores, making the Ryzen 5 absolute beast to get, right now there's not much of a difference, but sure would get better in future. 

Go for Ryzen

[Guest]

Just now, Zackbare said:

Well, as after a few months, developers would surely look at making the games compatible with multiple cores, making the Ryzen 5 absolute beast to get, right now there's not much of a difference, but sure would get better in future. 

Go for Ryzen

Then the clock speeds wouldn't matter to you of Intel because of limited cores. 

[Moress]

1 minute ago, Zackbare said:

Well, as after a few months, developers would surely look at making the games compatible with multiple cores..

Thats been what people have been saying for years now. Dont count on it

[Raxxdude]

honestly i think if your asking this question you should actually be looking at the 1600 which is 6 cores 12 threads to fully leverage the argument that youll be getting better performance over time as optimizations come in.

[Guest]

Just now, Moress said:

Thats been what people have been saying for years now. Dont count on it

But as AMD is sweeping the market, and Vega is on the edge, developers have no choice than to comply with AMD hardware because pretty much everyone is buying those CPU, before AMD didn't had sales, sales is what matters

[FelixTheOG]

2 minutes ago, Moress said:

Thats been what people have been saying for years now. Dont count on it

Either way, ryzen 1500x would have 4 more threads and around the same clock speed as the i5-7500, for the same price

[Moress]

Just now, Zackbare said:

But as AMD is sweeping the market, and Vega is on the edge, developers have no choice than to comply with AMD hardware because pretty much everyone is buying those CPU, before AMD didn't had sales, sales is what matters

AMD is making a small ripple right now. We in the enthusiast community may see it everywhere, but for normal gamers intel is still the dominant force. Im not saying that Ryzen 5 will be bad, I actually think itll be the better alternative to a locked I5, but dont think for a second games will suddenly atart using 8 cores because of Ryzen

[Raxxdude]

3 minutes ago, Moress said:

Thats been what people have been saying for years now. Dont count on it

Even Intel are making more cpu sku's with more cores and hyperthreading enabled. Current games out now are starting to leverage a lot more cpu cores. These things are happening and have been in the works for a while.

[Scionyde]

1 minute ago, Zackbare said:

But as AMD is sweeping the market, and Vega is on the edge, developers have no choice than to comply with AMD hardware because pretty much everyone is buying those CPU, before AMD didn't had sales, sales is what matters

Got some actual data/sources for the "AMD sweeping the market" claim?

[Guest]

Just now, Moress said:

AMD is making a small ripple right now. We in the enthusiast community may see it everywhere, but for normal gamers intel is still the dominant force. Im not saying that Ryzen 5 will be bad, I actually think itll be the better alternative to a locked I5, but dont think for a second games will suddenly atart using 8 cores because of Ryzen

I'm not saying that games will start supporting 8 cores, I'm saying that they'll have something in place for it to work better with multi-cores because even intel is moving to more cores and hyperthreading, not just AMD. and if they don't make the game work best with best selling hardware, they'll end up like Crysis team..

[Guest]

On 3/16/2017 at 8:34 AM, Scionyde said:

Got some actual data/sources for the "AMD sweeping the market" claim?

Well right now I can only show by stocks ( I know not the best example)

 

It'll take time for the dust to settle, as there are no computers with Ryzen in it in the market, nor the Ryzen 5 have even launched. Check the news about ryzen being sold out already at major retailers..

On 3/16/2017 at 8:43 AM, Zackbare said:

It'll take time for the dust to settle, as there are no computers with Ryzen in it in the market, nor the Ryzen 5 have even launched. Check the news about ryzen being sold out already at major retailers..

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-sold-out-again,33799.html

[FelixTheOG]

16 minutes ago, Scionyde said:

Got some actual data/sources for the "AMD sweeping the market" claim?

All I want to know is, will the 1500x: 3.7 boost and 200mhz xfr 4 core and 8 thread.

do better than i5-7500, 3.8ghz boost. 4cores 4 threads?

[Dabombinable]

With the potential problems in relation to games its best to wait until benchmarks come out as its difficult to answer how well the R5 will do in comparison with Ryzen's unique design.

[The Benjamins]

8 minutes ago, FelixTheOG said:

All I want to know is, will the 1500x: 3.7 boost and 200mhz xfr 4 core and 8 thread.

do better than i5-7500, 3.8ghz boost. 4cores 4 threads?

i5-7500 can do 3.4 on all cores and 3.8 on 1 core

R5-1500x can do 3.5-3.7 on all cores and 3.7-3.9 on 1 core

 

so on a 1 core work load it should be close but i expect intel to win due to IPC, but with a 4 core load the 1500x should win and I am not including SMT which is icing on the cake.

 

also the i5 has 6MB of L3 cache the R5 has 16MB which will help a lot.

[FelixTheOG]

3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

i5-7500 can do 3.4 on all cores and 3.8 on 1 core

R5-1500x can do 3.5-3.7 on all cores and 3.7-3.9 on 1 core

 

so on a 1 core work load it should be close but i expect intel to win due to IPC, but with a 4 core load the 1500x should win and I am not including SMT which is icing on the cake.

Games would use more than one core so Ryzen would be better for that?

[The Benjamins]

Just now, FelixTheOG said:

Games would use more than one core so Ryzen would be better for that?

ya I would expect most games to be using 2-4 threads which would make ryzen better in this price bracket, and it also allows for overclocking when Intel doesn't so if used that is another advantage.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 hour ago, FelixTheOG said:

All I want is a cpu that will last me about 6-7 years into the future and that will stay good. And that is around or under £190

if you're talking for general use, a core i5 or ryzen 5 will do that...if we're talking for a gaming PC, that's way too long of a timespan, even if you'd buy a 6950X right now it will choke the hell out of high-end cards long before it turn 5 years old.

[Guest]

The 1500 is very appetizing IMO.

 

Basically the architecture is set up as a sort of pseudo dual CPU when you have more than 4 core and 8 threads.

 

With a 4.0 GHz OC the 1500 should perform on par with locked skylake i5's in gaming and be better at multitasking/multithreaded workloads.  

 

The 7600k will still beat the 1500 and 1500x in gaming. The 1600 sku's may be different or at least very close. 

[FelixTheOG]

20 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

The 1500 is very appetizing IMO.

 

Basically the architecture is set up as a sort of pseudo dual CPU when you have more than 4 core and 8 threads.

 

With a 4.0 GHz OC the 1500 should perform on par with locked skylake i5's in gaming and be better at multitasking/multithreaded workloads.  

 

The 7600k will still beat the 1500 and 1500x in gaming. The 1600 sku's may be different or at least very close. 

So, if I do not plan on over locking the 1500x will it be better to get a i5-7500 Kaby lake?

[He_162]

The R5-1600X outperforms the i5-7600K in games, and in overall performance.

 

It is faster in cinebench, and blender, as well as in games, according to the information given by AMD, and enough so that we can optimistically say it is the superior, and cheaper choice, than the i5.

 

It will not perform worse in games for sure, considering it has 2 more cores, and 3 times as many threads, and games will indeed utilize all of them, expect it to be a much better price for performance.

On 3/16/2017 at 10:02 AM, FelixTheOG said:

So, if I do not plan on over locking the 1500x will it be better to get a i5-7500 Kaby lake?

The best choice is the R5 1600, the 6 cores, and 12 threads will be far more optimal for gaming, and will improve all other aspects of your machine, also giving you the ability to multitask, and stream, among other things, even if you don't want to, or plan to, it's a better investement, and will last longer.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, FelixTheOG said:

So, if I do not plan on over locking the 1500x will it be better to get a i5-7500 Kaby lake?

Hard to say, I think they will be very competitive with one another. I would hope that the 1500x will be neck and neck if not a bit better in some titles. 

3 hours ago, He_162 said:

The R5-1600X outperforms the i5-7600K in games, and in overall performance.

 

It is faster in cinebench, and blender, as well as in games, according to the information given by AMD, and enough so that we can optimistically say it is the superior, and cheaper choice, than the i5.

 

It will not perform worse in games for sure, considering it has 2 more cores, and 3 times as many threads, and games will indeed utilize all of them, expect it to be a much better price for performance.

Doubt it. Especially when the 7600k is clocked to 5 GHz. 

[He_162]

4 hours ago, Alexokan said:

Hard to say, I think they will be very competitive with one another. I would hope that the 1500x will be neck and neck if not a bit better in some titles. 

Doubt it. Especially when the 7600k is clocked to 5 GHz. 

AMD has shown that the 7600K was at the very least 10 - 20 frames slower than the R5 1600x when both were at stock speeds.

 

If you do not plan on overclocking, the R5 looks really good, and considering the fact that it has two extra cores, it should multitask far better, making it much better sounding in my opinion, lose maybe 5% of frames to an overclocked processor, or have all that extra multitasking ability?