What's wrong with Consoles?

[BloodyWaters]

I don't mean to start a war, but why is console gaming viewed as "bad"? I play a fair few games on the console and a fair few on the PC, and I've had great experiences with both. Shouldn't we only care about the experiences we have while gaming, not through what hardware they are delivered?

 

Edit: I probably won't be able to check LTT until tomorrow, please don't argue in the comments, I just want facts. 

[Godlygamer23]

The problem is when you're trying to deliver amazing looking games with outdated hardware. You run into problems such as lower texture quality, lower resolutions, lower frame rates, frame rate dips, etc. You make sacrifices in order to achieve something, and this can be seen in Uncharted 4 where there are frequent frame dips due to the resolution and textures, and some other things like the physics processing. 

[saladcrack]

Most look down upon consoles for pay-to-play online schemes, a smaller pool of games and limited performance (pretty sure they only got to 60fps recently but don't quote me on that).  Yes it is best to base your view of things on experiences but some can't seem to grasp that.  I enjoy games across the platforms, I've enjoyed a Wii, PS2, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, even Mac and my PC.

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

The problem is when you're trying to deliver amazing looking games with outdated hardware. You run into problems such as lower texture quality, lower resolutions, lower frame rates, frame rate dips, etc. You make sacrifices in order to achieve something, and this can be seen in Uncharted 4 where there are frequent frame dips due to the resolution and textures, and some other things like the physics processing. 

in the Xbone, both the CPU and GPU are outdated.

 

I think that Console OSes like the Xbox One uses, should be available to the public so that people can turn a PC which meets the specs required into a dedicated gaming machine.

[ARikozuM]

Nothing is "wrong" with consoles. They have their purpose and they meet that purpose. Same with gaming or word processing PCs and supercomputers. They all have a purpose and aim to achieve it.

[waterjug]

i mean the main reason I play on console is because most of my friends play there... but as textures and stuff like that go, as grade a under a once said: "i don't care about the graphics, as long as the game is fun as hell, i'll play it"

[TheLagDidIt]

On 1/28/2017 at 9:05 PM, BloodyWaters said:

I don't mean to start a war, but why is console gaming viewed as "bad"? I play a fair few games on the console and a fair few on the PC, and I've had great experiences with both. Shouldn't we only care about the experiences we have while gaming, not through what hardware they are delivered?

 

Edit: I probably won't be able to check LTT until tomorrow, please don't argue in the comments, I just want facts. 

honestly, a pc can get better performance like 4k at over 60fps if you build it well

[Guest Kloaked]

PC has plenty of problems and all platforms often share the same issues. People who like to put their foot on the ground and declare one superior to the other on the wrong criteria don't understand that.

 

PC is better tho

[desertcomputer]

I think nothing is much wrong with console, i know people who just play on console and they seem to be quite happy with it. It just all base on people lifestyle. It just most people is quite hard convince parent to buy another computer when they already have one. A console is easier for parent to control, just take console away, while for PC your child might need it to do school work and harder to control their usage. 

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, wii8cookies said:

i mean the main reason I play on console is because most of my friends play there... but as textures and stuff like that go, as grade a under a once said: "i don't care about the graphics, as long as the game is fun as hell, i'll play it"

My bother does similarly. He plays on console because his friends are on Console and he's nowhere near tech savvy enough to build a computer, let alone set it up and use it.

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Nothing is "wrong" with consoles. They have their purpose and they meet that purpose. Same with gaming or word processing PCs and supercomputers. They all have a purpose and aim to achieve it.

 

i agree, also i will add ps4 has something called remote play if you pair it with a vita the gaming experience is awsome plus all the indie games you get on the go. 

[saladcrack]

3 minutes ago, TheLagDidIt said:

honestly, a pc can get better performance like 4k at over 60fps if you build it well

Of course it can, no console right now can play native 4k at over 60 fps but most PCs can't either and most people can't afford a PC that can.

[waterjug]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

My bother does similarly. He plays on console because his friends are on Console and he's nowhere near tech savvy enough to build a computer, let alone set it up and use it.

i mean I built a computer and play on it, but usually when I play on it, it's a bit more casual... sort of like the opposite for most people

[TheLagDidIt]

On 1/28/2017 at 9:18 PM, Gamessys said:

Of course it can, no console right now can play at native 4k at over 60 fps but most PCs can't either and most people can't afford a PC that can.

true, but even low end pc's can usually get 30+fps on 1080p, consoles cant

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, Gamessys said:

Of course it can, no console right now can play at native 4k at over 60 fps but most PCs can't either and most people can't afford a PC that can.

Some televisions have a really cool feature that will make what you're seeing on the screen look like it's running at a higher refresh rate than it really is. I bought my dad a mid-range Samsung Smart TV that has this and it looks fucking awesome when it works.

[bgibbz]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

I think that Console OSes like the Xbox One uses, should be available to the public so that people can turn a PC which meets the specs required into a dedicated gaming machine.

For the past few years, it's looking more and more like Xbox os is fading out. Windows 10 includes the Xbox app, and windows 10 game store is also picking up. I can imagine 5 years down the line, Microsoft releasing a windows XX "gaming" in addition to the classic "home" and "professional " versions. The gaming would have the bare minimum; Microsoft edge, a store, an Xbox app, etc. while the full versions of Windows would have all of the standard stuff in addition to the store and Xbox apps. This way, it would kind of work like steam big picture mode, except the gaming version would be permanently in this mode and the normal versions would have an app or something to enter this mode. 

[AlTech]

I think AMD's head of RTG put it best when he talked about experience per dollar on Consoles and how PCs should become more powerful regardless of what tier you are purchasing (e.g. Low End, Mid Range, High End or Enthusiast).

 

1 minute ago, wii8cookies said:

i mean I built a computer and play on it, but usually when I play on it, it's a bit more casual... sort of like the opposite for most people

I also find that people who play on consoles are generally more casual and aren't really super interested in games, so much as they are interested in games and the social aspect of Console gaming.

[Techicolors]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Some televisions have a really cool feature that will make what you're seeing on the screen look like it's running at a higher refresh rate than it really is. I bought my dad a mid-range Samsung Smart TV that has this and it looks fucking awesome when it works.

Samsung clear motion rate? 

[saladcrack]

2 minutes ago, TheLagDidIt said:

true, but even low end pc's can usually get 30+fps on 1080p, consoles cant

Yes and those low end PCs cost as much if not more than a console usually.  Probably the greatest thing a console has going for it is price.

 

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Some televisions have a really cool feature that will make what you're seeing on the screen look like it's running at a higher refresh rate than it really is. I bought my dad a mid-range Samsung Smart TV that has this and it looks fucking awesome when it works.

Yeah my parent's have a 65" 4k LG Smart TV that does the same thing, it's great but has nothing to do with this conversation.

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, bgibbz said:

For the past few years, it's looking more and more like Xbox os is fading out. Windows 10 includes the Xbox app, and windows 10 game store is also picking up. I can imagine 5 years down the line, Microsoft releasing a windows XX "gaming" in addition to the classic "home" and "professional " versions. The gaming would have the bare minimum; Microsoft edge, a store, an Xbox app, etc. while the full versions of Windows would have all of the standard stuff in addition to the store and Xbox apps. This way, it would kind of work like steam big picture mode, except the gaming version would be permanently in this mode and the normal versions would have an app or something to enter this mode. 

Yeah. That would be something interesting.

[Guest]

Nothing wrong with it. I used to have a PS3 and a PS Move with it. It was the time when I did not know much about PC and PC gaming and it was a really fun experience. Especially all the cool PlayStation exlcusives that PC gamers will never get like: Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo, God of War, Uncharted and The Last of Us. Couch gaming was so relaxed than all competitive games on PC lol

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, Gamessys said:

Yes and those low end PCs cost as much if not more than a console usually.  Probably the greatest thing a console has going for it is price.

Windows alone is $100. 

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, Technicolors said:

Samsung clear motion rate? 

Probably. Sounds right.

 

We were watching The Jungle Book on Netflix in 4k on it and it looked amazing with it on. I turned it off and it felt like I was back in the stone age.

 

2 minutes ago, Gamessys said:

Yeah my parent's have a 65" 4k LG Smart TV that does the same thing, it's great but has nothing to do with this conversation.

Yes it does? These televisions are getting to where they can make your video signal look better than it could before, both in frame rate and sharpness.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Windows alone is $100. 

You can run unactivated Windows or Linux. Linux has Steam too you know. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

You can run unactivated Windows or Linux. Linux has Steam too you know. 

Not all games are compatible (don't know about the other distros) with Mint even when running Wine.