How bad is ''60ms'' response time?

[Niko_2142]

I got an lg 49 inch Uf7700, I was looking either that one or the UH6500, and now i found this: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uf7700

 

Which says that the UH6500 has a response time of 20ms while the uf7700 has 60ms

 

I'm not going to game that much, and probably not pvp games, but for more casual games like payday, warframe, cities skylanes, terraria etc etc, is it really that big of a deal?

[rattacko123]

that's like 4 frames of input lag, not a huge deal for casual games, but it would be noticeable.

[striker477]

I don't think that will really affect you all that much to be honest .

[Bananasplit_00]

60ms is LOADS. its verry noticable. for casual games maybe not so much but anything competative or that requres you to react to anything quickly it will be horrible. 20ms is also pretty bad tbh

[COUPER MILLAR]

It's not the end of the world.  I have my pc connected to a vizio p50-c1, response time ranges from 20 to 65ms. For battlefield I can definetly tell a difference between 65 and 20 as well as on my 1ms monitor.  However on payday I haven't ever really noticed a difference. 

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

6 minutes ago, Niko_2142 said:

I got an lg 49 inch Uf7700, I was looking either that one or the UH6500, and now i found this: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uf7700

 

Which says that the UH6500 has a response time of 20ms while the uf7700 has 60ms

 

I'm not going to game that much, and probably not pvp games, but for more casual games like payday, warframe, cities skylanes, terraria etc etc, is it really that big of a deal?

if your calling payday and warframe casual your playing them wrong.

[Niko_2142]

4 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

that's like 4 frames of input lag, not a huge deal for casual games, but it would be noticeable.

I'd like to know what ''noticeable'' is, I've never had the opportunity to play in such a display, I just want to ask if it's really that bad compared to 20ms, the point is that i want to know if the other monitor was a better choise

[Niko_2142]

1 minute ago, Alaradia said:

if your calling payday and warframe casual your playing them wrong.

Why?

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

1 minute ago, Niko_2142 said:

Why?

because there not casual and frame timing is quite important to them especially in warframe when your moving fast 

[Niko_2142]

3 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

It's not the end of the world.  I have my pc connected to a vizio p50-c1, response time ranges from 20 to 65ms. For battlefield I can definetly tell a difference between 65 and 20 as well as on my 1ms monitor.  However on payday I haven't ever really noticed a difference. 

I was looking for this kind of answers, thanks

[Niko_2142]

Just now, Alaradia said:

because there not casual and frame timing is quite important to them especially in warframe when your moving fast 

Interesting, recently all I do is spam E near to objectives, but for something like bullet jumping I imagine refresh rate / blur matters more, which regarding the link i posted the tv I bought is a bit better at.

[Scruffy90]

60ms of response time combined with whatever input lag the tv may have will be extremely noticeable. What would be noticeable is a ghosting effect when playing fast paced games.

[Tao]

60ms is HORRIFIC for gaming, or really for any video watching of any kind.

Considering 100ms is a tenth of a second, 60ms is just over a 20th of a second.  Think about that in terms of your perception:  Gamers, martial artists, or anyone who plays sports should know that 1 second can be a really long time.  A lot can happen in 1 second.  

Now consider that 60ms response range allows for 17 frames a second (1/ 0.06seconds) to be displayed without any distortion.  Now think of playing games, or doing the activities above at 17fps.  Now increase the frame rate, and have pieces of the last frame, or last few frames still displayed in some way on the screen.  

60 fps means that one frame is displayed for 17ms (1/60frames).  That means that the pixels will still be still finishing up changing what they displayed 4 frames ago.

[Glenwing]

You're not talking about response time. It says right on the page you linked:

 

Response Time: 17.6 ms

 

You're talking about input lag/latency.

Input Lag 

 1080p @ 60Hz 

 

: 59.4 ms

 1080p With Interpolation 

 

: 113.6 ms

 1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode 

 

:59.4 ms

 1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 

 

: 59.4 ms

 4k @ 60Hz + HDR 

 

: N/A

 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR 

 

: N/A

 

60 ms is somewhat high, but not that bad. People get confused because they're comparing it with response time numbers which are typically 1 ms, 5 ms, or something like that. Yes, 60 ms would be very high for a response time, but we're talking about input lag, not response time. A typical monitor has 10-30 ms of input lag which is basically instantaneous as far as humans are concerned. Maybe the higher end of that (25+) might be noticeable for very competitive gamers but it will be very small. 60 ms will be a moderate amount of latency.