Disappointing performance RX480

[scottyseng]

3 minutes ago, Siard said:

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The CPU is bottlenecking, so the GPU usage drops because it's waiting on the CPU to tell it what to do next. You should see noticeable jumps in fps where the CPU has to deal with more load or not.

 

I experience the same thing when gaming on my NAS's Xeon (I use it for rendering), but one Xeon core is 2.2GHz. The 980 Ti jumps GPU usage as well because it's waiting to be told what to do next from the CPU. So my 2500K which has faster single thread performance is better for gaming.

[Siard]

Thanks for that information. Currently I am uploading a short video, filmed with my GoPro where you can also see the CPU load. I filmed it with a GoPro so that capturing it wouldn't affect the performance of the graphics card,

 

Here it is: 

 

 

[scottyseng]

5 minutes ago, Siard said:

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Yep, that poor CPU is being pushed to the limit. But wow, for it to go to 0% then 70-90% GPU usage is pretty drastic. That game is really CPU intensive.

[Siard]

So, if I would upgrade to, let's say, an i5 6400 or i5 6500, would that solve the problem you think?

[ivan134]

1 hour ago, Siard said:

So, if I would upgrade to, let's say, an i5 6400 or i5 6500, would that solve the problem you think?

You'd be better off finding an i7 3770 instead.

[Siard]

@ivan134 Can you explain to me why that is better? Is it because in a couple years I run into the same problem? Or something else?

[lettuce head]

7 hours ago, Siard said:

Yes I wiped my drivers and installed it all again, justo be sure it was properly installed.

I did, but that still not gives me nearly the same amount or the FPS number I had at least in mind.

I don't know my RAM usage, thought that the 8GB would be fine. I will try to see what my RAM usage is in game in a couple of minutes.

Yea I know, that's why I googled if my i5 3450 would bottleneck and found many people saying "no it won't". I even asked here (Will this upgrade bottleneck?) on the forum. I understand my FPS can drop by like 2 or 3 because of my CPU being a bit older, but i think this is a significant drop in performance. 

16gb has really become the standard nowadays, as mentioned, a lot of games can surpass 8gb, and it also sounds to me like a cpu bottleneck could be a factor. 1080p is generally cpu intensive and most benchmarks you see with that cpu will usually have something like a 6500 to a 6700k.

[ivan134]

48 minutes ago, Siard said:

@ivan134 Can you explain to me why that is better? Is it because in a couple years I run into the same problem? Or something else?

It's cheaper than buying a while new platform and it will perform better.

[ivan134]

That's assuming you find one for a good price.

[Murilo_A]

3 hours ago, Siard said:

So, if I would upgrade to, let's say, an i5 6400 or i5 6500, would that solve the problem you think?

I saw the 6400 bottleneck a GTX 1060 at BF1 (not much, just a bit), I'd recommend a 6600K to guarantee you won't have any problems in the future (or the non-K if you don't want to overclock)

[scottyseng]

4 hours ago, Siard said:

So, if I would upgrade to, let's say, an i5 6400 or i5 6500, would that solve the problem you think?

Hmm, this is pretty tough, because to go to skylake, you'd need new RAM / motherboard / CPU. I'd probably also say consider a 3770 because it's the cheapest way to go fast since you already have the motherboard. It's got a fairly high clock and hyper threading.

 

Having to fork over the cash to get DDR4, a new motherboard, and a skylake CPU is a lot of cost for one game. It's a pretty tough call though. Getting a -K CPU only matters if you want to overclock (and have the time / cooling for it)

[xAcid9]

6 hours ago, Siard said:

Thanks for that information. Currently I am uploading a short video, filmed with my GoPro where you can also see the CPU load. I filmed it with a GoPro so that capturing it wouldn't affect the performance of the graphics card,

 

Here it is: -snip-

 

 

Any other game that is not as CPU intensive?

 

You're not on the latest 16.12.1 driver? Also, please remove that Plays.TV/Raptr/AMD Gaming Evolved and disable Window 10 XBOX app DVR function for troubleshooting.

[kaiju_wars]

I mean, I have an i5-6300HQ and a 4GB 960m in my laptop.

My desktop is an Athlon X4-860K and a GTX 780.  

My desktop is objectively the better system, but it can't run BF1 as well as my laptop.

Only thing I can think of is because my laptop has 16GB of RAM and my desktop only has 8GB.

[ybriK]

3 hours ago, lettuce head said:

16gb has really become the standard nowadays, as mentioned, a lot of games can surpass 8gb, and it also sounds to me like a cpu bottleneck could be a factor. 1080p is generally cpu intensive and most benchmarks you see with that cpu will usually have something like a 6500 to a 6700k.

" a lot of games can surpass 8gb "

 

Let's reword that: "a lot of games and background process can surpass 8gb, but closing these background processes such as a web browser can significantly reduce RAM usage to the point where you don't need to upgrade. It is up to you how you intend to use your system which will result into an upgrade or not."

[YoloSwag]

The i7s are still good because of their multi threaded design.

 

Comparing spec sheets here -

i7-3770K - http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

i5-6600K - https://ark.intel.com/products/88191/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

 

I'd say the i5-6600K could have slightly better single core performance even if they have the same frequency due to improvements on the design.

But for applications that take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs, the i7-3770K would do much better IMO.

 

I have an old Sandy-Bridge system here, I'd consider getting a cheap i7 Ivy bridge if I could find one just so I could resell it.

 

[ybriK]

28 minutes ago, YoloSwag said:

The i7s are still good because of their multi threaded design.

 

Comparing spec sheets here -

i7-3770K - http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

i5-6600K - https://ark.intel.com/products/88191/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

 

I'd say the i5-6600K could have slightly better single core performance even if they have the same frequency due to improvements on the design.

But for applications that take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs, the i7-3770K would do much better IMO.

 

I have an old Sandy-Bridge system here, I'd consider getting a cheap i7 Ivy bridge if I could find one just so I could resell it.

 

Yep. Any i7 beats any i5 for CPU heavy games. An upgrade to an i7-3770/K is OP's best option. Some examples:

 

[BudgiePanic]

Sounds like a CPU bottleneck to me. I personally have an RX470 and I'm running BF1 on high at 1080P with 100% resolution scale and get 80-100 FPS constantly although if the scene gets very intense (lots of players, explosions, buildings crumbling) It drops below 60FPS. I'm using an i5-6400 so I think you have a CPU bottleneck.

[Siard]

Interesting to read all of the opinions and thanks for all the responses! 

Than my next question Will be, what is a good price/normale price for An i7 3770? I'm living in the Netherlands, and I van find 2 (used) 3770's here. One's €150 and the others one is €218... 

[xAcid9]

4 hours ago, ybriK said:

Yep. Any i7 beats any i5 for CPU heavy games. An upgrade to an i7-3770/K is OP's best option. Some examples:

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"Beat", by 4fps between i5-3470 vs i7-3770k which is clock higher and that with a GPU almost twice as powerful as OP's.

2fps with 980 that almost comparable to 480. 

 

Doubt 2fps-4fps extra will improve OP's experience.

[ybriK]

3 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

"Beat", by 4fps between i5-3470 vs i7-3770k which is clock higher and that with a GPU almost twice as powerful as OP's.

2fps with 980 that almost comparable to 480. 

 

Doubt 2fps-4fps extra will improve OP's experience.

So what you're saying is OP should "upgrade" to an i5-3470?

 

Looks like OP is going to have a bad time...

 

[xAcid9]

7 minutes ago, ybriK said:

And at the end of the day i7 > i5.

Because fuck OP problem right? and no, an overclocked 3570k > 3770 in many many games.

[ybriK]

13 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Because fuck OP problem right? and no, an overclocked 3570k > 3770 in many many games.

 

7 hours ago, ybriK said:

upgrade to an i7-3770/K

 

Looks like I haven't tried to help alleviate OP's problem.

 

 

18 hours ago, Siard said:

Motherboard: ASRock B75 Pro3-M

 

So OP should spend more rather than simply upgrading their CPU?

 

I'm simply giving the most convenient solution here. If you want OP to tinker around with OC'ing (+ pretty much rebuild the entire system) and they don't mind then feel free.

[Siard]

I am not going to OC, so a k-version cpu is out of the question.

[brokencross]

So you have a low clocked 4 core and you want high framerates on a cpu-intensive game that favours at least an high clocked 4 core, optimally a 4core with 8 threads.

Yeah, I guess that speaks for itself. 

[Siard]

So tot conclude, i7 is the way to go?