Disappointing performance RX480

[ybriK]

31 minutes ago, Siard said:

So tot conclude, i7 is the way to go? 

Yep, you want options?

 

Pick any that you can find the cheapest.

 

i7-2600

i7-2600S

i7-2600K

i7-2700K

i7-3770

i7-3770S

i7-3770T

i7-3770K

You can even try to look for Xeon E3's (from the Sandy/Ivy Bridge Family that have 4 cores and 8 threads) as they're similar in performance compared to their i7 counterparts that are of 4 cores and 8 threads.

An example: Xeon E3-1230

 

And here's a list in case you didn't know on what CPUs your motherboard can support, if you're interested.

 

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B75 Pro3-M/?cat=CPU

 

I personally would go for an i7-3770.

[xAcid9]

1 hour ago, Siard said:

So tot conclude, i7 is the way to go? 

No because very few games actually benefit from hyperthreading in i7 processor and you problem is not a CPU bottleneck problem, at least not as severe as these peoples claim.

 

Look below, a Fury-X. A more powerful card at 1080p in BF1 Ultra setting. Performance between i7 and i5 is the same despite the i7 having higher clock.

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Now with much more powerful card, the GTX1080.
Hey.. performance is pretty similar. What the fuck is going on.. the extra 4 threads should give significantly more FPS right? Nope.

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Now let's see from my own test, i'll use a well optimized Assetto Corsa for this testing.

First test, 4c/8t. AVG=163 Min=65 Max=221. Ok.

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Now let's try with 4c/4t

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What in the world? How you explain that? ZERO performance loss, well within margin of error and this is using a card that at is 50% more powerful than yours, if it can't bottleneck the more powerful card then it won't bottleneck lower end card.

 

Now let's compare my processor and your processor.

https://ark.intel.com/compare/65732,65511

 

With HT disabled the only different between your proc and mine is the extra 2MB L3 cache and +200mhz more clock speed. Holy shit, such small differences can bottleneck a 480 to a 7950 level while the other one have no problem feeding the 980 Ti. All tech journalist should do a video about this brand new totally accurate information!

 

I say you should upgrade to a brand new i7-7777k just to be safe.

[ivan134]

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

No because very few games actually benefit from hyperthreading in i7 processor and you problem is not a CPU bottleneck problem, at least not as severe as these peoples claim.

 

Look below, a Fury-X. A more powerful card at 1080p in BF1 Ultra setting. Performance between i7 and i5 is the same despite the i7 having higher clock.

Now with much more powerful card, the GTX1080.
Hey.. performance is pretty similar. What the fuck is going on.. the extra 4 threads should give significantly more FPS right? Nope.

 

Now let's see from my own test, i'll use a well optimized Assetto Corsa for this testing.

First test, 4c/8t. AVG=163 Min=65 Max=221. Ok.

Now let's try with 4c/4t

What in the world? How you explain that? ZERO performance loss, well within margin of error and this is using a card that at is 50% more powerful than yours, if it can't bottleneck the more powerful card then it won't bottleneck lower end card.

 

Now let's compare my processor and your processor.

https://ark.intel.com/compare/65732,65511

 

With HT disabled the only different between your proc and mine is the extra 2MB L3 cache and +200mhz more clock speed. Holy shit, such small differences can bottleneck a 480 to a 7950 level while the other one have no problem feeding the 980 Ti. All tech journalist should do a video about this brand new totally accurate information!

 

I say you should upgrade to a brand new i7-7777k just to be safe.

I thought bf1 was multi threaded similar to GTA 5. Guess not.

[Siard]

But seriously, I am not getting a really clear view. One says it is CPU bottlenecking, but others say it's not. Moreover, why is it giving it lower fps in ETS2 (Euro Truck Simulator 2) in comparison with my HD7950? My CPU does not hit the 100% while playing ETS2.

I want to know for sure if I need to upgrade to a SkyeLake i5 or an Ivy bridge i7 (preferably i7 3770), as I said, the different views on this confuse me...

 

Also, if I say money isn't the issue to upgrade to a new mobo and new memory (DDR4) (on top of, say, an i5 6400/6500/6600, will this make the choice easier?

[xAcid9]

2 hours ago, Siard said:

But seriously, I am not getting a really clear view. One says it is CPU bottlenecking, but others say it's not. Moreover, why is it giving it lower fps in ETS2 (Euro Truck Simulator 2) in comparison with my HD7950? My CPU does not hit the 100% while playing ETS2.

I want to know for sure if I need to upgrade to a SkyeLake i5 or an Ivy bridge i7 (preferably i7 3770), as I said, the different views on this confuse me...

 

Also, if I say money isn't the issue to upgrade to a new mobo and new memory (DDR4) (on top of, say, an i5 6400/6500/6600, will this make the choice easier?

From your video i noticed couple of software use quite a bit of CPU power like MSI Gaming OSD, Gaming App, Origin, QTWebHelper(Origin related). Can you close all of those program and take similar video but this time with the CPU tab sort from Highest to Lowest?

 

Also can you download HWINFO64 and check if your CPU is not throttling while gaming? https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

 

Are you on the latest 16.12.1 driver? Did you uninstalled Raptr/AMD Gaming Evolved/Plays.TV? You won't be needing those. 

If you're on 16.12+ driver, try disable AMD Relive and XBOX DVR function.

[A Damn Crab!]

150+  FPS

[Siard]

29 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

From your video i noticed couple of software use quite a bit of CPU power like MSI Gaming OSD, Gaming App, Origin, QTWebHelper(Origin related). Can you close all of those program and take similar video but this time with the CPU tab sort from Highest to Lowest?

 

Also can you download HWINFO64 and check if your CPU is not throttling while gaming? https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

 

Are you on the latest 16.12.1 driver? Did you uninstalled Raptr/AMD Gaming Evolved/Plays.TV? You won't be needing those. 

If you're on 16.12+ driver, try disable AMD Relive and XBOX DVR function.

I will try this tomorrow, but closing down Origin whilest playing BF1? Maybe I'm stupid but i think that's hard to do

[Phate.exe]

On 12/16/2016 at 0:05 PM, Siard said:

well if that's the case, I have no other choice than to buy a new CPU. but with that also comes a new motherboard (my current one only supports 1155), new RAM (than I'm also going to upgrade to DDR4)... RIP money

Overclock?

 

My 1090T bottlenecks an RX 470 in Forza Horizon 3 at stock clocks.  Overclocked it doesn't.

[xAcid9]

10 minutes ago, Siard said:

I will try this tomorrow, but closing down Origin whilest playing BF1? Maybe I'm stupid but i think that's hard to do

Put it in tray, or play non-Origin games?

[Siard]

42 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

Overclock?

 

My 1090T bottlenecks an RX 470 in Forza Horizon 3 at stock clocks.  Overclocked it doesn't.

if I even had an overclockable CPU and appropiate mobo...

36 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Put it in tray, or play non-Origin games?

hahaha yea I coul,d be BF1 is my 'benchmark' game  Could try GTA V too.

 

At least, this is what I already recorded and for me, it doesn't look anything different. Yes I uninstalled Raptr and Plays.tv and I did disable ReLive.

And the task manager is sorted by highest processor usage.

 

GPU-Z Sensor Log.txt

[xAcid9]

10 hours ago, Siard said:

if I even had an overclockable CPU and appropiate mobo...

hahaha yea I coul,d be BF1 is my 'benchmark' game  Could try GTA V too.

 

At least, this is what I already recorded and for me, it doesn't look anything different. Yes I uninstalled Raptr and Plays.tv and I did disable ReLive.

And the task manager is sorted by highest processor usage. 

 

GPU-Z Sensor Log.txt

 

Seems like your GPU doesn't utilize properly.

 

1. You can try re-seat the GPU and make sure both PCIE power connector is plug in properly.
2. Check if the card is actually running on PCIE3 16x.

3. Try with different PSU

4. Install a clean window on different drive/partition.

 

I don't have BF1 but in BF4 i have similar CPU usage on 4C/4T yet it doesn't tank my FPS at least not severely.

 

[Siard]

Thanks for all the input and feedback till now! I figured out that some of the programs take way too much load on my CPU. I uninstalled some of those programs (the one having the most impact is Intel Small Business Advantage). In Idle, my CPU load was 35%, now it is around 1 to 4%. 

Also I did scan with Malwarebytes. 

To conclude, I have seen my FPS now at a steady 80-100 FPS (high settings, 1080p), instead of 50-70 with drops below 30. 

I am probably going to wait for AMD ZEN, and to see what that brings (in terms of, how are those CPUs and maybe a price drop of the Intel CPUs).

 

 

 

[Prysin]

@Siard most likely your CPU is too slow. Sadly you got a B series chipset from Intel, and this will not allow you to overclock or use faster RAM (you can OC using Baseclock, but that isnt going to be easy nor very stable).

[Siard]

@Prysin Yea I already thought of that (not the OC part though). But as I said, I think my best shot is to just wait until ZEN is released, or a new Intel-series. Then I'll probably upgrade my whole setup (minus GPU ofcourse). I think that's the best option I have know, instead of buying a new/used CPU atm. I can live with the FPs and performance right now. Though, thank you for your help.

[-iSynthesis]

I maxed out BF1 (Beta though, probs. a bit better performing now...) on my RX 470 and got around 60-70FPS. I would suspect your CPU to be the issue here. Battlefield is quite CPU intensive and your i5 is 4 years old now. 

Edit: Should've read the last few posts i guess, sorry

[Siard]

hahah no problem, thanks for your input anyway

[lettuce head]

On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 10:03 PM, YoloSwag said:

The i7s are still good because of their multi threaded design.

 

Comparing spec sheets here -

i7-3770K - http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

i5-6600K - https://ark.intel.com/products/88191/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

 

I'd say the i5-6600K could have slightly better single core performance even if they have the same frequency due to improvements on the design.

But for applications that take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs, the i7-3770K would do much better IMO.

 

I have an old Sandy-Bridge system here, I'd consider getting a cheap i7 Ivy bridge if I could find one just so I could resell it.

 

for the most part, since sandy bridge, Intel's performance increase from generation to generation, at least on an IPC basis, has been pretty lousy. somewhere around 3-7% per generation. a chip like the i5-4460 still costs around 180 USD because, if we're honest, it's still a damn good chip. kaby lake seems to be the same, at least from a 6700k to a 7700k standpoint. from what ive seen, the tdp was the most notable difference so that there was more OC'ing headroom. but that's about it for most consumers.

[flipped_bit]

To be honest, I'm surprised that your CPU would bottleneck an RX 480 that much.  It turbos to 3.5GHz, and for a modern Intel CPU quad-core that should be plenty to run most modern titles at high framerates at high settings.  It may bottleneck it somewhat, but certainly not to the extent you're seeing.  

 

I think something else is probably the culprit.  Maybe check out some BF1 benchmarks to see how others with an Intel quad-core are fairing.  I really don't think eight threads are necessary to run that game at a good performance level.

 

Also, have a look at your resource usage and see if any other applications are using a lot of CPU while gaming.  (Edit: looks like you've already done that!  )