GTX 1080 mistake?

[master of toasters]

Black Friday/Cyber Monday I blew around 3k on a full system. 2 fantastic Asus monitors, an i7-6700k, 32GB of DDR4-2133, an Asus Z170 ROG Maximus VIII Ranger, and for the first time in my life a real GPU, not some used card from 5 or 6 years ago, but a Gigabyte G1 GTX 1080. But I'm shocked to find that my old cards, a HD 7850 and 650Ti (both 1gig cards), are outperforming the 1080. I have to assume that its the fact that I'm running at 1080p, but the card isn't even hitting 40% load in most of my games: Borderlands 1 and 2, Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition, Fallout NV, CSGO, Minecraft.. I have checked and set everything I have thought of or read on a forum to try and boost it. I don't really want to run vsr'd at 1440p or 4k if I can avoid it, as it distorts most of the text and chats, and it doesn't play well with Displayfusion for some reason. But I am at a loss, and wondering if I might not have been better served by a 1070, 980, or 390x. I'm hoping someone here can provide some insight as to how I can boost my frames, or whether I should fight with Newegg to swap me to a 1070.

[RGProductions]

RMA, or drivers.

[Light-Yagami]

Go to Nvidia control panel. Go to manage 3D settings or sth. Set the power management to the highest preformance or whatever it says so the system fill feed the gpu hard.. Disable fps target in GPU OC software if you have it on.. Possibly not in the right MB slot? 

[VerticalDiscussions]

Woah, hold your horses. A GTX 1080 is infinitely times better than the HD 7850, 650 Ti and much better than the 980, 390X or the 1070 (small improvements over the 1070, but quite noticeable) overhaul. Also, showing the temperature would be useful :p. Perhaps, if overclocking is well placed and the cards are running at a steady temperature, getting a replacement is the best idea.

Edited December 2, 2016 by VerticalDiscussions

[Megah3rtz]

6 minutes ago, RGProductions said:

RMA, or drivers.

RMA shouldnt be the first solution he is given 

[Mira Yurizaki]

5 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

RMA shouldnt be the first solution he is given 

Since OP is within the 30 day return/replacement period (I'm assuming OP bought it from someone with such a policy), I'd suggest this too if none of the quick fixes work. I'd rather get the thing replaced with the vendor than spend time to try and fix it, coming up with nothing, and miss my replacement window.

[Megah3rtz]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Since OP is within the 30 day return/replacement period (I'm assuming OP bought it from someone with such a policy), I'd suggest this too if none of the quick fixes work. I'd rather get the thing replaced with the vendor than spend time to try and fix it, coming up with nothing, and miss my replacement window.

yes, but he should atleast try the quick fixes first. 

[AdamH96]

Your running it at 1080P that's why....

 

That card is not meant for 1080p which is why it doesn't use more than your 40%. It is more directed to 4K and 1440p. Your CPU is bottlenecking at that resolution.

 

Those games are also easy to run you are probably better off with a 1060 or 1070.

 

Edit: why do you need 32GB? is this for editing or content creation? 8-16GB is the most you need for games.

[Morgan Everett]

1 hour ago, AdamHolt96 said:

Your running it at 1080P that's why....

 

No, it isn't. 

 

OP: there's clearly something wrong with your setup if your 1080 is being outperformed by a 7850. Like, woefully wrong. Reinstall drivers, and see what happens.

[master of toasters]

I ran DDU and installed the newest drivers and retested the games, as well as testing GTA:V which runs well, but it also is a very demanding game, same with Arma 3. Borderlands 2 saw a small improvement, but its still only at about 60% load max and when I'm in a physx heavy area, it tanks the fps down to about 40 without the load % increasing at all. Minecraft didn't improve at all, which is surprising, being that its such a joke of a game I'd expect a decent number fps-wise.

 

2 hours ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Also, showing the temperature would be useful :p. Perhaps, if overclocking is well placed and the cards are running at a steady temperature, getting a replacement is the best idea.

I haven't seen load temps beyond 57C, idle around 36/37C.

 

2 hours ago, Light-Yagami said:

Go to Nvidia control panel. Go to manage 3D settings or sth. Set the power management to the highest preformance or whatever it says so the system fill feed the gpu hard.. Disable fps target in GPU OC software if you have it on.. Possibly not in the right MB slot? 

I've had the performance mode set in the Nvidia panel, and the top PCIe is x16 electrical, and I don't believe Afterburner to be affecting the fps, I only have it for a fan curve so this thing doesn't cook.

 

1 hour ago, AdamHolt96 said:

Your running it at 1080P that's why....

 

That card is not meant for 1080p which is why it doesn't use more than your 40%. It is more directed to 4K and 1440p. Your CPU is bottlenecking at that resolution.

 

Those games are also easy to run you are probably better off with a 1060 or 1070.

I was going to get a 1070, but I was concerned about GTA:V and Arma 3.

[Mick Naughty]

Noticed the same thing using my 1080 on a 1080p. My old card plays much better. And my CPU bottlenecks at 1440p. Also 32 gigs is the norm. 

[master of toasters]

I found a couple sources on reddit and of all places, youtube, that suggest that current/recent drivers are less than ideal. I've tried several and haven't found a difference. And I looked into returning it to Newegg to get a 1070, I can expect to take a $100 hit on the return since they only give you 85% back on opened returns.

[VerticalDiscussions]

Honestly no, your GPU/CPU should be at 100%, regardless of the resolution, which is what allows for the massive fps boosts we foresee in benchmarks made by other testers/custom shroud manufacturers. It doesnt seem to be a physical issue as much as it is a software issue, given no physical tampering with the GPU's in both theyr settings or cooling housing were done. If its too bothersome to you, then replace it and expect this time around you can resolve the issue. Also, a Windows 10 reformat may be useful and it usually fixes 99% of all problems related with incidents such as these, given the temperatures are quite fine and so is the stability of the hardware itself.

[Mick Naughty]

Well I tried that for myself, a gtx1080 will not reach 100% on a 1080 screen. Not in the bf games. So I doubt a 1070 would. 

[Vellinious]

Going from a 1080 to a 1070 because the card is working improperly is pretty silly.  Might be the card itself, the drivers, driver settings, heat issues, power delivery problems...none of those issues should have a possible solution of "downgrade".  lol

I have a rig with a couple of 1080 monitors running an overclocked 1080 and can tell you that performance is not a problem.

[AdamH96]

On 12/2/2016 at 4:07 AM, master of toasters said:

I found a couple sources on reddit and of all places, youtube, that suggest that current/recent drivers are less than ideal. I've tried several and haven't found a difference. And I looked into returning it to Newegg to get a 1070, I can expect to take a $100 hit on the return since they only give you 85% back on opened returns.

What was your CPU core usage at? monitor them and send a image. is it outperforming or is it identical to your previous cards.

On 12/1/2016 at 9:09 PM, Morgan Everett said:

No, it isn't. 

 

OP: there's clearly something wrong with your setup if your 1080 is being outperformed by a 7850. Like, woefully wrong. Reinstall drivers, and see what happens.

 

On 12/1/2016 at 9:54 PM, Mick Naughty said:

Noticed the same thing using my 1080 on a 1080p. My old card plays much better. And my CPU bottlenecks at 1440p. Also 32 gigs is the norm. 

For gaming no it isn't...

[Mick Naughty]

4 minutes ago, AdamHolt96 said:

For gaming no it isn't...

Doesn't matter. Hdd's aren't for gaming yet people still use them in their PC. I'll pay for the extra frames. 

[AdamH96]

2 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Doesn't matter. Hdd's aren't for gaming yet people still use them in their PC. I'll pay for the extra frames. 

more ram doesn't make a difference in gaming past a certain point 16GB, speed yes, more ram no lol

 

7:00

[Princess Luna]

10 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Doesn't matter. Hdd's aren't for gaming yet people still use them in their PC. I'll pay for the extra frames. 

HDD not meant for gaming? why? due to a little longer loading time? I don't agree with that at all and more than 16gb of ram does feel too much for a gaming exclusive machine, even the speed changes so little from all the benchmarks and videos we see around.

Don't get me wrong though if you have the money to go for unnecessary high end hardware and are an enthusiastic go for it, myself were I to have higher budgets would probably buy higher end than what I need; some people have cars, guns, sports as hobbies... building expensive PC's is the over all hobby to the majority of people in here hehe.

 

About the Card I'd probably try returning it and trying a new out it isn't impossible for these to come faulty thus why there usually is the 30 days return policy.

[Mick Naughty]

18 minutes ago, AdamHolt96 said:

more ram doesn't make a difference in gaming past a certain point 16GB, speed yes, more ram no lol

 

7:00

So because of their results means it's definite? Did all the same testing with bf4, jumped at 8,16 and 32. 

 

13 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

HDD not meant for gaming? why? due to a little longer loading time? I don't agree with that at all and more than 16gb of ram does feel too much for a gaming exclusive machine, even the speed changes so little from all the benchmarks and videos we see around.

Don't get me wrong though if you have the money to go for unnecessary high end hardware and are an enthusiastic go for it, myself were I to have higher budgets would probably buy higher end than what I need; some people have cars, guns, sports as hobbies... building expensive PC's is the over all hobby to the majority of people in here hehe.

 

About the Card I'd probably try returning it and trying a new out it isn't impossible for these to come faulty thus why there usually is the 30 days return policy.

So you don't mind loading into to after they have already started and the first 3 points are already taken? Or not being able to spawn into the first round of s&d?

nothing gamer about it. Assuming it's unnessary because you yourself don't use it? If I wanted a gaming machine I get a console. Simple as that. 

[master of toasters]

I just did a clean install of Windows 10 and ... as stupid as it may sound, installed Nvidia driver 368.25 after trying the most recent, 376.09, to no avail. I put a higher-end SweetFX mod on Borderlands 2 at the suggestion of a friend on Steam, and it seems to have added just enough load that the card is 'kicking in'. However CSGO and Minecraft, as well as Smite which I forgot to mention earlier, are still very low.

 

3 hours ago, AdamHolt96 said:

What was your CPU core usage at? monitor them and send a image. is it outperforming or is it identical to your previous cards.

Core loads on CSGO float between upper 60's and low 80's on about 3 threads. In Minecraft its around 35-50% on 4 threads. It's hard to say whether its outperforming as I had a 4690k rather than the 6700k.

 

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

About the Card I'd probably try returning it and trying a new out it isn't impossible for these to come faulty thus why there usually is the 30 days return policy.

I wouldn't be totally opposed to attempting an RMA, although I have no idea what I'd begin to tell Newegg.

[Princess Luna]

@master of toasters Pretty simple, you contact their costumer service as soon as you can telling you feel due to the lack of performance in the hardware that it feels faulty, they'll ask you to fill a return form, you fill it without lying and done, they'll get the card back and do analyzes on it, if they find a defective manufacture issue they'll send you a brand new one.

 

 

@Mick Naughty I do not play online games to be honest, almost always the community will be salty and since I lack time to become pro on the game since I do college and work I choose to stay only with the single player campaigns, and playing offline the loading screen being seconds faster or seconds longer has no effect at all at least to me.

I strongly disagree about going with console if your main purpose is to game nowadays when you can have the exact experience just plugging your PC to the TV and having a controller, while retaining all the multimedia (I mean only just now Xbox One finally allowed play musics while playing and even so you're stuck to Groove Music and has to pay for it... ridiculous).

Though come on now, preferences and budgets, arguing over what makes most sense makes no sense, I respect fully that you consider SSD a must have and believe me if it had a better cost per GB I would already have bought one too. Cheers!

[Mick Naughty]

That isn't the point. Someone calling it a gaming rig when it clearly has more then one purpose. You may call it wasting money, I call getting a 1440p monitor and two different gtx 1080's a waste. But like you said it's all preference. 

[Morgan Everett]

3 hours ago, AdamHolt96 said:

 

OK?

 

I'm not claiming that CPU bottlenecks don't exist. I'm saying that suggesting a 7850 is outperforming a 1080 due to a CPU bottleneck is completely ludicrous.

[Dragonheart]

On 12/2/2016 at 1:26 PM, Princess Cadence said:

I do not play online games to be honest, almost always the community will be salty

Try Rainbow Six Siege, the community is amazing most of the time. (I know this is off topic, had to comment, sorry)

On 12/2/2016 at 1:15 PM, master of toasters said:

although I have no idea what I'd begin to tell Newegg.

Just tell them the card isn't working properly. They will probably even pay for shipping.