Qualcomm teases 10nm Snapdragon 835

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Qualcomm has announced that it will be building its upcoming flagship Snapdragon 835 mobile SoC on Samsung’s 10nm 2nd generation FinFET process technology. Qualcomm tells us that integrating the 10nm node in 2017 will keep it “the technology leader in mobile platforms” and this makes the 835 the world's first 10nm production processor.

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Samsung announced its 10nm FinFET process technology in October of this year and it sports some impressive specifications and benefits to the Snapdragon 835 platform. Per Samsung, it offers “up to a 30% increase in area efficiency with 27% higher performance or up to 40% lower power consumption.” For Qualcomm and its partners, that means a smaller silicon footprint for innovative device designs, including thinner chassis or larger batteries (yes, please).

So this will launch in 1H 2017, with a claimed over 3 billion transistors.
We all know that the nanometer term is just a marketing tool nowadays and that this is probably more of a "half node" increase over 14nm.
Either way it'll be interesting to see if Qualcomm can get closer to Apples' A10 performance or at the very least be superior the the reference ARM A73 design.

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[tlink]

is it real 10nm? i hear a lot of people always say that processors are not really xx nm but they can call it that due to creative design. the 40% lower power consumption seems incredible though, but its always a guess what "up to" translates into in the real world.

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1 minute ago, tlink said:

is it real 10nm? i hear a lot of people always say that processors are not really xx nm but they can call it that due to creative design. the 40% lower power consumption seems incredible though, but its always a guess what "up to" translates into in the real world.

I've only seen direct comparions between Samsung and Intels 14nm, where the latter is denser.
Supposedly this "10nm" is denser than Intels 14nm but again Intels 10nm will be denser than this.

[8-Bit Ninja]

wander what the yield rates will be though

[Aytex]

If we get a 10-15% increase in raw performance then I guess it would be worth over the 821

 

 

[deviant88]

1 hour ago, tlink said:

is it real 10nm? i hear a lot of people always say that processors are not really xx nm but they can call it that due to creative design. the 40% lower power consumption seems incredible though, but its always a guess what "up to" translates into in the real world.

At this point i dont think it matters if its real 10nm or not, i think the right question is if its actually smaller than the previous 14/16nm finfet from samsung which was also called for not being 'true 14/16nm'.

And if it actually delivers more performance/powersavings and less heat also important.

And if intel is the only one having real 14nm why arent they producing ARM chips for smartphones? did they made the 14nm tech just for x86 thats just lame.

[Trixanity]

4 minutes ago, deviant88 said:

At this point i dont think it matters if its real 10nm or not, i think the right question is if its actually smaller than the previous 14/16nm finfet from samsung which was also called for not being 'true 14/16nm'.

And if it actually delivers more performance/powersavings and less heat also important.

And if intel is the only one having real 14nm why arent they producing ARM chips for smartphones? did they made the 14nm tech just for x86 thats just lame.

Intel plans to fab ARM chips. This 10nm of Samsung's will of course be an improvement over their 14 nm. Their 10 nm process is supposedly not that much smaller than Intel's 14 nm. 

[Doobeedoo]

Ow very nice. So this chip may not end in Galaxy S8 along with new Exynos then?

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6 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Ow very nice. So this chip may not end in Galaxy S8 along with new Exynos then?

Probably some exynos and some snapdragon like the S7 based on location. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

11 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Intel plans to fab ARM chips. This 10nm of Samsung's will of course be an improvement over their 14 nm. Their 10 nm process is supposedly not that much smaller than Intel's 14 nm. 

Apple has committed to using Intel fabs for next gen products. Should be a huge win for both parties.

[BuckGup]

"10nm"

[dizmo]

I wonder if they'll still put out an 830, or if it'll just be the 835 with a quicker 837 later on.

Wish they could stick to a number scheme, if that's what they end up doing.

 

13 hours ago, Aytex said:

If we get a 10-15% increase in raw performance then I guess it would be worth over the 821

 

 

I'm usually more interested in the added tech they include than the raw performance increase.

Things like the sonic fingerprint reader, improved cameras, better fast charging, etc.

7 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Ow very nice. So this chip may not end in Galaxy S8 along with new Exynos then?

What makes you think that?

13 hours ago, tlink said:

is it real 10nm? i hear a lot of people always say that processors are not really xx nm but they can call it that due to creative design. the 40% lower power consumption seems incredible though, but its always a guess what "up to" translates into in the real world.

It's 40% less for the SoC, not the entire phone (sadly); it's a pretty typical increase year to year. 

I can't wait until we see more power efficient screens.

[Drak3]

12 hours ago, deviant88 said:

At this point i dont think it matters if its real 10nm or not, i think the right question is if its actually smaller than the previous 14/16nm finfet from samsung which was also called for not being 'true 14/16nm'.

And if it actually delivers more performance/powersavings and less heat also important.

And if intel is the only one having real 14nm why arent they producing ARM chips for smartphones? did they made the 14nm tech just for x86 thats just lame.

Intel's Atom lineup had SoC offerings since 2012, made for tablets and phones. They stopped production for smartphones early this year.

However, since ARM has captured the market at that point, and offered similar performance with half to a quarter the power consumption, software development for Android-IA never really took off.

[Thony]

What is this naming scheme based on ? 

 

820 -> 821 -> 835...

[Mauri]

Wow 10nm, more efficient than ever! ^{and still less efficient and less powerful than the A10}

[Coaxialgamer]

18 hours ago, tlink said:

is it real 10nm? i hear a lot of people always say that processors are not really xx nm but they can call it that due to creative design. the 40% lower power consumption seems incredible though, but its always a guess what "up to" translates into in the real world.

Using the ASML formula it puts samsung's 10nm process at 12.0 nm ( for reference ,  14nm lpp was 16.6nm ,  tsmc 10nm is 11.3nm,  intel 14nm is 13.4nm and intel 10nm is 9.5nm ) 

[Coaxialgamer]

18 hours ago, 8-Bit Ninja said:

wander what the yield rates will be though

When production starts ,  good  enough at around 80% (+/- 10%)