g3258 question

[zombiewainam]

I would like to ask if you need an z-mobo to overclock a g3258 or could the cpu also be overclocked with (cheaper)different chipsets?

[pithball]

you have to use a z series board to overclock it.

[g12601]

4 minutes ago, zombiewainam said:

I would like to ask if you need an z-mobo to overclock a g3258 or could the cpu also be overclocked with (cheaper)different chipsets?

There are some B and H chipsets that will let you but I don't think they work anymore.

I learned the hard way. (I blame the some guy that works at Fry's)

 

There are some cheap z170 boards out there. So get one of those to be sure you can overclock.

Edited November 6, 2016 by g12601
Added some more details

[TheRandomness]

8 minutes ago, zombiewainam said:

I would like to ask if you need an z-mobo to overclock a g3258 or could the cpu also be overclocked with (cheaper)different chipsets?

You can overclock on the anniversary series of chipsets from ASRock.

[zombiewainam]

1 minute ago, TheRandomness said:

You can overclock on the anniversary series of chipsets from ASRock.

Could I get more details please?

[aisle9]

11 minutes ago, zombiewainam said:

I would like to ask if you need an z-mobo to overclock a g3258 or could the cpu also be overclocked with (cheaper)different chipsets?

I've had a G3258 overclocked on an H81M, a B85, an H97 and a Z97. Plenty of readily-available 1150 boards can overclock it. If you Google "(model number) overclock g3258", you should get your answer.

 

The only reason to buy a Z97 board for a G3258 is if you plan to go to a 4690K or 4790K later.

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, zombiewainam said:

Could I get more details please?

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3mPzK8/asrock-motherboard-h97anniversary

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/YDrG3C/asrock-motherboard-h97manniversary

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FKH48d/asrock-motherboard-b85anniversary

[zombiewainam]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3mPzK8/asrock-motherboard-h97anniversary

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/YDrG3C/asrock-motherboard-h97manniversary

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FKH48d/asrock-motherboard-b85anniversary

thanks

[aisle9]

1 minute ago, Strike105X said:

Or use high speed ram, the default and advertised speed is 1333, but i got mine to work with my memory at 2400Mhz, can also be seen in the tests of Guru3d for the G3258.

RAM speed doesn't matter much for the typical G3258 use case, though. If you've chosen a G3258 for your editing rig, you have well and truly done it wrong. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

I was able to overclock mine on the Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V, though this was on Windows 7 in 2014 (I have heard you need Z97 to overclock it in Windows 10). I can't recommend that cpu at all for gaming though, even at 4.4 GHz it was only good with old Call of Duty games and such. Even Skyrim was a stutter fest with that cpu for me. I wouldn't get anything less than an i3 for AAA gaming.

[aisle9]

16 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I was able to overclock mine on the Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V, though this was on Windows 7 in 2014 (I have heard you need Z97 to overclock it in Windows 10). I can't recommend that cpu at all for gaming though, even at 4.4 GHz it was only good with old Call of Duty games and such. Even Skyrim was a stutter fest with that cpu for me. I wouldn't get anything less than an i3 for AAA gaming.

The W10 thing was a dick move on Microsoft's part, but they either reversed it later or mobo manufacturers got around it. I was able to OC a G3258/B85 on W10 without having to disable a core or anything like that. Mine was able to hold its own on Skyrim but , yeah , performance was lacking overall . 

[NumLock21]

Only Z97 officially support overclocking. All other chipset are a hit or miss. G3258, get a Z97. Seriously get a Core i3.

[aisle9]

6 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

I got mine to 4.1 and had a pretty consistent experience in both FO4 and Skyrim, so i have no idea why it was a stutter fest for you. It depends on the games really, those that focus on 4 Threads, like the Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Syndicate, yes its a stutter fest but it works very well for those which focus on 2 cores, not to mention emulation, its awesome for emulation.

No the dick move was on intel's part, everyone blamed MS when in fact it was because of an intel microcode they pushed into windows 10 that caused the issue, later it was removed though, so now you can safely use H boards to OC without quircks in windows 10.

Dammit, I knew that. No idea why I said MS...

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 hours ago, Strike105X said:

I got mine to 4.1 and had a pretty consistent experience in both FO4 and Skyrim, so i have no idea why it was a stutter fest for you. It depends on the games really, those that focus on 4 Threads, like the Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Syndicate, yes its a stutter fest but it works very well for those which focus on 2 cores, not to mention emulation, its awesome for emulation.

No the dick move was on intel's part, everyone blamed MS when in fact it was because of an intel microcode they pushed into windows 10 that caused the issue, later it was removed though, so now you can safely use H boards to OC without quircks in windows 10.

 

Edit: the thing with the G3258 is that you do have to manage well your processes, and opened apps, if you have to many things running in the background, yes your "lanes" are going to get crowded and it will lead to poor performance, but if you manage things, it can work really well. Personally though i'm going back to my FX build, i want to play titanfall 2 :p, i lost interest in emulation, and modding, so the G3258 doesn't serve much purpose anymore.

I always played games with everything closed and Skyrim was just constantly dropping into the 40s and 50s on the framerate with my 970.

[SteveGrabowski0]

29 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

 

 

@SteveGrabowski0 Really weird, because i have a 950 GTX and i played vanilla fine. Even with Fallout 4 i did not have issues and even in Diamond City i didn't had frame rate dropping under 50. I keep on mentioning Fallout 4 because unlike Skyrim that is better optimized for multiple cores, Skyrim mostly focuses on two, there's a third thread dedicated to some NPC scripts but its main focus is on two cores, honestly it could also have something to do with HDD, Skyrim is very sensitive to HDD's.

Skyrim seems to parallelize itself pretty evenly across 4 cores on my Xeon E3-1231v3 when I turn on the MSI Afterburner stats console. Fallout 4 paraellizes itself over all 8 threads of my cpu though.

[Zodiark1593]

21 hours ago, Strike105X said:

 

Edit: the thing with the G3258 is that you do have to manage well your processes, and opened apps, if you have to many things running in the background, yes your "lanes" are going to get crowded and it will lead to poor performance, but if you manage things, it can work really well. Personally though i'm going back to my FX build, i want to play titanfall 2 :p, i lost interest in emulation, and modding, so the G3258 doesn't serve much purpose anymore.

Even for emulation, I'd find it difficult to consider the Pentium due to the sacrifices taken elsewhere. In addition, certain emulators are beginning to take advantage of more than two cores.

 

For ordinary, non-tech users, I would recommend an i3 as a minimum due to the fact that, while their targetted tasks are very lightweight, many of those users will never touch the task manager. An i7 would be even better (with an SSD), especially as the adware and toolbars pile up and start bringing lesser PCs to their knees.

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

Even if you find it difficult to consider, facts are facts, it is one of the top processors when it comes to Dolphin (Wii emulation) and PCSX2 (PS2 emulation) which at this time are the most popular, active and well developed emulators):

 

Its ranked 20 in the Dolphin benchmark list (with only top tier unlocked i5 and i7's surpassing it):

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k12sv1NXGGuSOY0NhsuONtRCte51GHKdgA7ciL76mBs/edit#gid=485052351

 

And here it is for PCSX2 (ranked 4th):

 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-CPU-Benchmark-designed-for-PCSX2-based-on-FFX-2

 

The only emulator to actually have a problem with it is Xenia because it requires AVX instructions, but otherwise there is no better CPU on a budget for emulation then this, hands down the best price/performance ratio at this time.

 

There is really a big bias regarding this CPU on this forum, why ? Because people did not researched properly what they needed and what they invested in, they blame their lack of judgement on the CPU. I wanted an emulation machine and good performance in heavily modified Oblivion and FO3/NV games and i really got my money's worth, never regretted it once from that perspective.

 

Would i recommend it for gaming ? No that's ridiculous, on a tiny budget other then 860K from AMD there isn't much i could recommend at this time unless the user has his heart set on a particular type of hardware or plans to upgrade in the future (where we move to at least an i3). But that doesn't mean the G3258 doesn't have its specific uses, because it does.

 

Really interesting, maybe they supported it better in the latest patch (the legendary one), i admit the info about it using the primary dual cores with adding a 3rd thread for scripts comes from back when they launched patch 1.6... that's the last time i actually read the patch documentation :p. In Fallout 4's case i might have had a better experience also due to the RAM, i think i remember an article saying that FO4 benefits from fast RAM.

Fallout 4 benefits bigtime from fast RAM, even with my E3-1231v3 it gets 15% higher minimums with my DDR3-2400 kit than I got with my DDR3-1600 kit. I agree on the G3258 for emulation, it's amazing for that. I played lots of PCSX2 when I had my 4.4 GHz G3258 installed and it was awesome for every game I tried except Shadow of the Colossus.

[SteveGrabowski0]

43 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

 

^How long did you played Skyrim on it, or better yet how many hours in was the save you used ? Some things from our conversation make me wonder. FO4, i did have quite a lot of time in that game, so its probably due to the faster RAM like we both mentioned (as i said it so happened that i ended up with 2x8 GB DD3 2400 Mhz). But my primary games where Oblivion and FO3/NV which really needed 1-2 strong core/s. But with Skyrim i didn't put that much time in, i admit (of course i've been at least to Whiterun), so that could explain things, especially since your saying you optimized your processes. 

I only played an hour or so in Skyrim with my G3258. The performance was too shitty and I knew I was getting my Xeon soon so I stopped (I initially bought the G3258 for a web/media computer, but decided to turn it into a gaming system once the GTX 970 came out so cheap).

[Zodiark1593]

1 hour ago, Strike105X said:

Even if you find it difficult to consider, facts are facts, it is one of the top processors when it comes to Dolphin (Wii emulation) and PCSX2 (PS2 emulation) which at this time are the most popular, active and well developed emulators):

 

Its ranked 20 in the Dolphin benchmark list (with only top tier unlocked i5 and i7's surpassing it):

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k12sv1NXGGuSOY0NhsuONtRCte51GHKdgA7ciL76mBs/edit#gid=485052351

 

And here it is for PCSX2 (ranked 4th):

 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-CPU-Benchmark-designed-for-PCSX2-based-on-FFX-2

 

The only emulator to actually have a problem with it is Xenia because it requires AVX instructions, but otherwise there is no better CPU on a budget for emulation then this, hands down the best price/performance ratio at this time.

 

There is really a big bias regarding this CPU on this forum, why ? Because people did not researched properly what they needed and what they invested in, they blame their lack of judgement on the CPU. I wanted an emulation machine and good performance in heavily modified Oblivion and FO3/NV games and i really got my money's worth, never regretted it once from that perspective.

 

Would i recommend it for gaming ? No that's ridiculous, on a tiny budget other then 860K from AMD there isn't much i could recommend at this time unless the user has his heart set on a particular type of hardware or plans to upgrade in the future (where we move to at least an i3). But that doesn't mean the G3258 doesn't have its specific uses, because it does.

 

Really interesting, maybe they supported it better in the latest patch (the legendary one), i admit the info about it using the primary dual cores with adding a 3rd thread for scripts comes from back when they launched patch 1.6... that's the last time i actually read the patch documentation :p. In Fallout 4's case i might have had a better experience also due to the RAM, i think i remember an article saying that FO4 benefits from fast RAM.

While the Pentium is the best chip out there for emulation, you missed my point entirely. For a PC that does both modern gaming and emulation competently (not just a purpose built emu box), there are sacrifices made with the Pentium over an i5 or i7.