Microsoft reports very little fragmentation of Windows 10 - Over 75% of users on the latest version.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, Cryptonite said:

The average user does not have Enterprise now do they? especially not with the clever "free update" microsoft gave everyone.

Well yeah.
Maybe they do something about updates. Like making it not needed to restart, that'd be great. But there's more to it though.

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

Well yeah.
Maybe they do something about updates. Like making it not needed to restart, that'd be great. But there's more to it though.

There really isn't. Updates break stuff all the time, imagine you get the update and the restart happened at a time you were fine with, now you want to start working and all of a sudden you notice the pc not booting past the loading screen, or the PC removed some of you vital programs. Oh or another great one, Windows decided to become unstable AF and BSoD's every 5 minutes until you do a system restore. Hardware not taken into account etc. it's a crossplatform OS, There's bound to be bugs with such regular updates (well there have been a load) on certain hardware.

[bobhays]

4 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Well yeah.
Maybe they do something about updates. Like making it not needed to restart, that'd be great. But there's more to it though.

Or they could just download it and just wait for the computer to restart before installing the updates. If the computer isn't restarted in a few days then just have a popup saying computer needs to be restarted to apply updates. Please restart when possible.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, Cryptonite said:

There really isn't. Updates break stuff all the time, imagine you get the update and the restart happened at a time you were fine with, now you want to start working and all of a sudden you notice the pc not booting past the loading screen, or the PC removed some of you vital programs. Oh or another great one, Windows decided to become unstable AF and BSoD's every 5 minutes until you do a system restore. Hardware not taken into account etc. it's a crossplatform OS, There's bound to be bugs with such regular updates (well there have been a load) on certain hardware.

Yes that would suck but they need to test updates before deploying for sure. But such things happen to smaller number way smaller than I thought. Never had such fatal problems and on multiple machines. 

[Cryptonite]

Just now, bobhays said:

Or they could just download it and just wait for the computer to restart before installing the updates. If the computer isn't restarted in a few days then just have a popup saying computer needs to be restarted to apply updates. Please restart when possible.

even that could work, however then comes the problem where you shutdown forgetting about the update and you get somewhere with your laptop and need to do a quick EFT before driving off to a meeting and oops, now that you booted windows up the update is installing at its own pace. Most laptops still use harddrives.

[Cryptonite]

1 minute ago, Doobeedoo said:

Yes that would suck but they need to test updates before deploying for sure. But such things happen to smaller number way smaller than I thought. Never had such fatal problems and on multiple machines. 

Multiple? how many? what kind? most issues are on laptops and older hardware desktops, however the problem still exists and if you work in the pc repair department you'll know just how many problems windows updates can cause (I get money, yes) but still windows is the one F'ing things up.

 

Edit: just an FYI, it's 3 AM here and I'm busy with 3 laptops with 3 different problems reloading windows on those that have corrupt system restore points / no restore point, the other one is just stuck at restoring since 00:30 AM 

[bobhays]

2 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

even that could work, however then comes the problem where you shutdown forgetting about the update and you get somewhere with your laptop and need to do a quick EFT before driving off to a meeting and oops, now that you booted windows up the update is installing at its own pace. Most laptops still use harddrives.

But at least that way you just have to wait a couple minutes rather than losing what you had. Also the updates could be installed as the computer is shutting off, not when it turns back on. That way the next boot up will be normal. There's also the issue of if the update breaks something but then that's always an issue so that's hard to avoid.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, Cryptonite said:

Multiple? how many? what kind? most issues are on laptops and older hardware desktops, however the problem still exists and if you work in the pc repair department you'll know just how many problems windows updates can cause (I get money, yes) but still windows is the one F'ing things up.

Yeah, old hardware slow hdd older ver of Win which was a mess and full of everything and then upgraded-.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, bobhays said:

But at least that way you just have to wait a couple minutes rather than losing what you had. Also the updates could be installed as the computer is shutting off, not when it turns back on. That way the next boot up will be normal. There's also the issue of if the update breaks something but then that's always an issue so that's hard to avoid.

Just want to clarify that Windows has to update portions before they begin to boot up and that's why restarts have to occur. #CarryOn

[Cryptonite]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Just want to clarify that Windows has to update portions before they begin to boot up and that's why restarts have to occur. #CarryOn

The slowness cannot be avoided which is why it should be optional from a business standpoint.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Cryptonite said:

The slowness cannot be avoided which is why it should be optional from a business standpoint.

Businesses that use Pro can defer upgrades, not that I do on mine, for a few months, while updates can be deferred for a few weeks. There's no reason for an IT department to not know about these processes nor should a business be running Home (like seriously?).

[SpaceGhostC2C]

12 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

can we stop with these little tantrums where you guys show how butt hurt you are?

 

Nothing you say will change any of the facts. Most people aren't good at using computers. Most people would update their PC if they TRULY understood the benefits of it. If people needed to do a test (like you need for driving a car), most people would hopelessly fail.....

I'm sorry, mate, but that's just plain retarded. Also, some people forget that Microsoft is a private company developing and selling a product to a market, not a national health service managing the nation's health policy.

 

I don't know many car owners who are knowledgeable about car mechanics, and I do know plenty that would pale at the idea of changing a flat tire. Now, imagine if  a car manufacturer came by night and replaced parts of your car to make it equivalent to the latest model they launched, with the argument that "everyone would be driving the newer model if they understood anything about car engineering"... Or Coca-Cola opening your fridge to replace your drinks with their latest, better-tasting, less sugar drinks, because "if only you knew, you'd do the same"...

Of course, that applies especially to the whole "swap to Windows 10" campaign, which is exactly like trying to force people to change their old car for a new one, when you can perfectly drive your old car or switch to a competitor's model at any time. While force updates have the same flavor, they could fall under the characteristics of the product you bought: you chose to buy Win 10 and their non-optional updates, you have to live with it (assuming you understood what you bought - all those people that don't TRULY understand computers would be a little more than surprised if they ever read the EULA), just like its looks or any other part of its design. You had the alternative of not doing so (even if MS, as many people in this thread, would try to convince you that you didn't). 

 

 

[DrM]

17 hours ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

how would you even block anniversary update? I wasn't even able too block/deny. Well this is no miracle with this strategy that there's little fragmentation. It's almost a poor result that "only" 78% run on 1607

if you have the pro version, then group policy editor can disable recieving any updates. i had to do that on one of my laptops since i couldnt have it randomly restart

[bobhays]

4 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Just want to clarify that Windows has to update portions before they begin to boot up and that's why restarts have to occur. #CarryOn

Yea but they could always automate that. Like Shutdown - Boot Up/Update - Shutdown that's not really an issue.

[RagnarokDel]

19 hours ago, Ernest_L said:

I disabled any windows updates with WinAeroTweaker

you can just disable the windows update service.

[Cryptonite]

5 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Businesses that use Pro can defer upgrades, not that I do on mine, for a few months, while updates can be deferred for a few weeks. There's no reason for an IT department to not know about these processes nor should a business be running Home (like seriously?).

I run pro, I got Defer updates on, I got the update over night one night and came to the pc with it being updated. I'm fine with it since I wanted to update this particular system anyway but still, Defer updates doesn't work too well.

[Bananasplit_00]

its hard NOT to be on the latest version seeing as whenever i leave my computer for 5mins it fucking updates. i love windows 10 and the annaversairy update made it better but also broke shit with games, like i need to change some setting every time i start CS:GO to have it not capped at 30fps. i have even uninstalled the Xbox app that is suposed to be the problem.... and having my PC restart all the time is a bitch because i have it in hypersleep all the time so i can have all my windows open when i come back, like all my 60+ chrome tabs, discord and steam and a lot of other shit and then it decieds to restart in the middle of the night and then at 4 in the morning i hear my PC start up and i need to go manualy put it back to sleep and then i need to open all my programs when i come back again. windows 10 is good but THE FREAKING AUTO UPDATES RUIN MY LIFE

[AlTech]

3 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

you can just disable the windows update service.

Please don't. It just makes me so angry when people do this.

 

As someone who makes programs, if I make a Windows 10 program I'm gonna eventually move onto newer versions of Windows 10.

 

And you're only leaving yourself open to vulnerabilities and performance problems by not updating.

[Sakkura]

10 hours ago, Cryptonite said:

actually when the updates have already downloaded (since they can only be postponed for so long) you only get around 19 hours or so as a timeframe to delay the update from installing which in the cases of having to upload large files, doing system hard drive retrievals (timeframe, work cannot just wait it out) basically anything that takes hours to do like cloning a hard drive for a client etc. Windows gives a rats ass about any of it, it just wants its updates on your system. scroll up for more insight on my thoughts. 

I've been able to postpone them for several days.

[Cryptonite]

33 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

I've been able to postpone them for several days.

after they have downloaded?

[Sakkura]

40 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

after they have downloaded?

No idea, I usually don't check if the data is downloaded.

[Cryptonite]

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

No idea, I usually don't check if the data is downloaded.

I specifically said after the update has downloaded. I know you can postpone an update from downloading for quite a while, afterwards is where the problem lies.

[ARikozuM]

1 hour ago, Cryptonite said:

I specifically said after the update has downloaded. I know you can postpone an update from downloading for quite a while, afterwards is where the problem lies.

The notification bar (don't know if it has changed) when updates are ready will allow you to postpone up to a day for Home users.

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Please don't. It just makes me so angry when people do this.

 

As someone who makes programs, if I make a Windows 10 program I'm gonna eventually move onto newer versions of Windows 10.

 

And you're only leaving yourself open to vulnerabilities and performance problems by not updating.

I have it turned off because I don't want my computer shutting down all the time.

Why would the programs you claim to develop not work on my machine? Which APIs are you using that are not available on the version of Windows I am using?

Windows updates very, very rarely introduces changes to APIs which breaks backwards compatibility, or introduce new ones, so I don't see why it would matter.

 

As for performance problems, if the last year of Windows 10 updates is anything to go by then you're more likely to get performance issues by updating.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Sakkura said:

I've been able to postpone them for several days.

You can postpone the download and installation for like 2 months (in increments of 7 days), but once the update is installed (and needs to reboot to apply the updates) it will only give you like 24 hours to reboot, or it will forcefully do it.

[Cryptonite]

22 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

The notification bar (don't know if it has changed) when updates are ready will allow you to postpone up to a day for Home users.

 

3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

You can postpone the download and installation for like 2 months (in increments of 7 days), but once the update is installed (and needs to reboot to apply the updates) it will only give you like 24 hours to reboot, or it will forcefully do it.

This is what I'm talking about.