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My brother just got into college and needs a new laptop. His old one aint gonna cut it.

So he was looking for new ones, found this one which I kinda like: Asus GL552VX-DM272T

It costs 800€ at minimum and here are the specs for this specific model:

CPU: Intel Core i7 6700HQ

GPU: GTX 950M

RAM: 8GB

Screen: 15,6" 1920x1080

And HDD: 1TB 5400RPM

 

The HDD is a problem and I said that to him. There are models with an SSD, but they are a bit more expensive and he says that he doesnt care and that it is a waste of money for him.

He likes gaming, tinkering around with software, Linux and other stuff so I cant stress enough to tell him that for those applications SSD is a MUST.

 

Since I use an SSD on my desktop, I know the difference. I just had a HDD and waited 1 year until they got cheaper. Then bought one. Loading times got cut by more than 10 times, the same goes for boot times. (for those who dont know, it isnt just the maximum write and read speed of the SSD/HDD that defines its actual speed)

 

He constantly is saying that he doesnt need SSDs, that they are a waste of his money and I ran out of arguments to convince him.

 

So please anyone who can help me convince him, because he is my older brother, who needs a new laptop (which doesnt have an SSD BTW and loading is slow AF) and I want him to know what he is gaining with and SSD, because no professor/friend/anyone wants to see him looking at the screen for 10 minutes just to get everything set for a friggin PRESENTATION.

Tell me all the benefits of an SSD you can think of. ANYTHING!

 

Thank you to everyone who actually read this long post before posting anything and also to those who didnt anyways.

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Nah, just let him buy the one with the HDD and it will teach him a valuable life lesson.

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They only make a difference loading a large program, like a large game or the OS of course. The only thing you can do is figure out what his current laptop HDD speed is. and unless that one is faster than this laptop's (I highly doubt it will be), if he's happy with the load speeds he currently gets then that's okay. Linux boots fast on HDDs. There's not a reason for him to get an SSD unless he's going to appreciate the speed.

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Less likely to break when dropped.

No chance of mechanical failure.

Longer battery life, lower power consumption

Quieter.

Cooler.

Faster updates and installs of Distros.

Multiple concurent tasks do not really affect performance.

ETC.

The only advantage HDDs have is price. Mabye get him a SSHD so he doesn't know.

Mabye the laptop has a m.2 slot and you could get him a small drive for booting.

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7 minutes ago, Nexro said:

If he wants to be stubborn. Leave him be and let him experience the downfalls of using a HDD.

Yeah, but he is doing that for about 5 years and doesnt care.

9 minutes ago, Thread212 said:

Then u need one of these..
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WOAH slow down there a bit with that thing, we invested a lot in him lets not make it worthless.

8 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Less likely to break when dropped.

No chance of mechanical failure.

Longer battery life, lower power consumption

Quieter.

Cooler.

Faster updates and installs of Distros.

Multiple concurent tasks do not really affect performance.

ETC.

The only advantage HDDs have is price. Mabye get him a SSHD so he doesn't know.

Mabye the laptop has a m.2 slot and you could get him a small drive for booting.

Yes I showed him my boot times, for some goddamn reason he finds 1 minute slower than his 5 minutes... (iGot a lot of junk at startup gotta clean that sometime)

 

Also that is a good point, if it has a slot for an SSD we can just put one in. Researching incoming!

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3 minutes ago, Nexro said:

If he wants to be stubborn. Leave him be and let him experience the downfalls of using a HDD.

If he doesn't know/understand how much better an ssd is then he won't know that he's experiencing the downfalls. Lol it's like an old grandparent of yours being used to this one thing so long they refuse to upgrade to something better because they don't know/understand what they're missing out on.

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Wow that was quick, a 5 second google showed me that it is indeed possible.

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Just now, Joelbanks5 said:

If he doesn't know/understand how much better an ssd is then he won't know that he's experiencing the downfalls. Lol it's like an old grandparent of yours being used to this one thing so long they refuse to upgrade to something better because they don't know/understand what they're missing out on.

This

1 minute ago, Laggger164 said:

Yeah, but he is doing that for about 5 years and doesnt care.

 

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Get him used to your laptop's boot times and all and when he gets his laptop he will be irritated af and return it and buy the one with the ssd.

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1 minute ago, Joelbanks5 said:

Get him used to your laptop's boot times and all and when he gets his laptop he will be irritated af and return it and buy the one with the ssd.

I dont have a laptop, its a desktop.

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Just now, Thread212 said:

longer battery life? what kind of SSD u are using?

Firstly they have no spinning parts which require power. Secondly Windows knows how to turn them off as with HDDs the default windows driver doesn't stop HDDs spinning (Windows 7 confirmed). Thirdly when I installed an SSD into my system the idle uncore power useage went from 0.5w to 0.1w (I know it is minor).

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Perhaps he values the 1TB of storage over a similar laptop with a 256 GB SSD.  I know it was a struggle for me for a while to get into an SSD for this very reason.  In a laptop where you are typically limited to one drive, this could be an issue.

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2 minutes ago, Nexro said:

This

 

He doesn't care because he doesn't understand or know real well what he's missing out on.

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2 minutes ago, Laggger164 said:

 

I dont have a laptop, its a desktop.

Get him used to that then. When he gets his laptop he will be irritated af on boot times and all.

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1 minute ago, JettaGetUpandGo said:

Perhaps he values the 1TB of storage over a similar laptop with a 256 GB SSD.  I know it was a struggle for me for a while to get into an SSD for this very reason.  In a laptop where you are typically limited to one drive, this could be an issue.

Yes thats exactly what he is telling me, but I dont want him to get a 256 GB SSD, just a 128 one for the OS. Like I have.

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1 minute ago, Laggger164 said:

Yes thats exactly what he is telling me, but I dont want him to get a 256 GB SSD, just a 128 one for the OS. Like I have.

There's external storage to solve the problem of most laptops only having room for one storage device.

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yes, SSDs are a waste of money - the price / GB is incredibly bad compared to a HDD; and if space is an issue .. no contest

load times - yes, a SSD will generally load shit faster, but it's not always the case; you don't reboot your PC every minute, you boot it once and do your work

SSDs don't influence game performance; in some cases it helps with load times, but that's about it

in a laptop, it will help with battery life .. slightly 

 

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The HDD is a problem and I said that to him.

how is a HDD a problem?

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He likes gaming, tinkering around with software, Linux and other stuff so I cant stress enough to tell him that for those applications SSD is a MUST

no it is not, otherwise he wouldn't've done those things from a HDD

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Quite possible he doesn't want a smaller sized SSD for his application needs, I'm using a 2TB Spinpoint M9T in my MacBook Pro as I deal with bloated software such as Logic X, Mainstage 3, Ableton, Amplitube, Looper, etc... I'd need at least a 1TB SSD for OS+apps and yank the optical drive out for a HDD--the Spinpoint's double the cache allows WD Scorpio 750GB style performance without the power drain :o

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Jeez. This is why we don't talk to non-PCMR.

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5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

yes, SSDs are a waste of money - the price / GB is incredibly bad compared to a HDD; and if space is an issue .. no contest

load times - yes, a SSD will generally load shit faster, but it's not always the case; you don't reboot your PC every minute, you boot it once and do your work

SSDs don't influence game performance; in some cases it helps with load times, but that's about it

in a laptop, it will help with battery life

 

how is a HDD a problem?

no it is not, otherwise he wouldn't've done those things from a HDD

Again I want him to get a 128 GB SSD for the OS and the 1TB HDD for everything else. That speeded up everything on my PC more than 10 times.

 

You could do those things even from a toaster, it would just take time... a LOT of time. Which it did... It will slow down him and his studying and projects.

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- Faster

- Smaller

- Lower power consumption

- Lower heat output

- Less prone to ESD

- More durable against heat

- More durable against cold

- More resistant to dust

- More resistant to shock (drops, bumps, etc.)

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3 minutes ago, SCAMAZING said:

Jeez. This is why we don't talk to non-PCMR.

Well he is using a PC...

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