What if Phenom II became "Modernized"?

[AceTaker]

I wasn't in the tech community at the time of the reign of Phenom II, but what if AMD made it in 14nm, and overall cleaned up the old architecture, I'm quite honestly curious what would happen..

[AceTaker]

Just now, AceTaker said:

I wasn't in the tech community at the time of the reign of Phenom II, but what if AMD made it in 14nm, and overall cleaned up the old architecture, I'm quite honestly curious what would happen..

Whoops, I meant to put it in discussions, can a mod do that for me?

[TheRandomness]

2 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

Whoops, I meant to put it in discussions, can a mod do that for me?

This is the correct area to put this.

[AceTaker]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

This is the correct area to put this.

Oh, then good  

[Electronics Wizardy]

What is XEN for 400.

 

 

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

2 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

Whoops, I meant to put it in discussions, can a mod do that for me?

Yep  (report the post if you wanna but it's still in the correct sub forum as what you're asking is still CPU related)

 

3 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

I wasn't in the tech community at the time of the reign of Phenom II, but what if AMD made it in 14nm, and overall cleaned up the old architecture, I'm quite honestly curious what would happen..

Not that much I would suspect...it may overclock better and use less power but it won't get any IPC gains so...at the most, a lower power consuming but higher clocked phenom 2  

[Bananasplit_00]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Yep  (report the post if you wanna but it's still in the correct sub forum as what you're asking is still CPU related)

 

Not that much I would suspect...it may overclock better and use less power but it won't get any IPC gains so...at the most, a lower power consuming but higher clocked phenom 2  

basically not worth it, not much gain and ZEN is on its way and that better be good preformance or i might or might REALLY flip my shit at AMD lol especially if they screw up pricing, 4c 8t should be about an unlocked I5 for this to be any good

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Easy, the Apple approach. 20% thinner, 40% faster, 25% more battery life, blah blah blah.

[QueenDemetria]

It would have been better than FX, but still behind Intel. We really needed a Phenom/Athlon III instead of Bulldozer.

[Mr.Meerkat]

4 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

basically not worth it, not much gain and ZEN is on its way and that better be good preformance or i might or might REALLY flip my shit at AMD lol especially if they screw up pricing, 4c 8t should be about an unlocked I5 for this to be any good

I feel like if a 8350 was on a smaller node (such as 22nm), it would have probably done a lot better, I wouldn't have been surprised if more people used it in workstation and servers as it wouldn't be as hungry  

[Mr.Meerkat]

On a side note, I still find it funny how phenom 2 had better IPC than piledriver/what ever the FX are based on  

[Imakuni]

18 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

I wasn't in the tech community at the time of the reign of Phenom II, but what if AMD made it in 14nm, and overall cleaned up the old architecture, I'm quite honestly curious what would happen..

They could put loads of them and make a "Phenom Phi". That's what intel did, got a bunch of cores from one of the lga 775 CPUs, reduced manufacturing process and threw them as a GPU.

[Bananasplit_00]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

I feel like if a 8350 was on a smaller node (such as 22nm), it would have probably done a lot better, I wouldn't have been surprised if more people used it in workstation and servers as it wouldn't be as hungry  

i dont think that would help much with the horrible IPC tho lol

[System Error Message]

What the fx series lacked was just the raw math performance intel had. However if you want a router, a web server or even firewall those 8 cores will do those things faster as they dont have much math involved. The aim of the fx series was that most daily tasks didnt need mean 3D math which is why the 8 core fx series was comparable to intel quad cores for gaming. Do browsers require lots of math? I think doing a browser and code compilation(like compiling with Gcc or distributed CC) benchmark will help to shed some light on the architectures. Some things like LLVM take half an hour just to compile on a multicore system.

[AceTaker]

Essentially Phenoms II's are like Zen... in a way... difference performance, and different times. Cheap-ish (Cheaper then an Intel Processor! ) Yet bring good performance, then Phenom II's, (I wasn't in the tech community at that time) Essentially what seemed like the same thing, but much, much different. Am I correct?

[Dabombinable]

What would happen? K10 would destroy Piledriver based CPU and APU; it would be more efficient, the dies would be smaller and cheaper to produce, you'd actually see 8 cores from AMD, not "4 modules 8 cores", adding SMT would see AMD competing with Intel again (the IPC improvements over 45nm would be significant). That never happened though as AMD hates re-using architectures and would rather develop a new one very single time (hence the trouble they got into with Bulldozer being worse than K10, and Piledriver being about equal on its smaller node)

[Imakuni]

6 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

That never happened though as AMD hates re-using architectures

Maybe that's why their GPU division isn't bad like the CPU one...

[AceTaker]

Quick question, which is better for gaming?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Amd-Phenom-II-720-Black/dp/B001R84CGW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473899010&sr=1-1&keywords=AMD+Phenom+II+X3

 

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-455-Processor-ADX455WFGMBOX/dp/B003N1A5W6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473985981&sr=8-3&keywords=AMD+Athlon+II+X3

[Dabombinable]

15 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

Quick question, which is better for gaming?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Amd-Phenom-II-720-Black/dp/B001R84CGW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473899010&sr=1-1&keywords=AMD+Phenom+II+X3

 

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-455-Processor-ADX455WFGMBOX/dp/B003N1A5W6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473985981&sr=8-3&keywords=AMD+Athlon+II+X3

The Phenom II, however I recommend a Phenom II X4 as the bare minimum. Anything less than a quad core/high clock speed dual core hyperthreaded CPU is poor value IMHO. Especially after using an A8 4555m then going back to the (true quad core) Phenom II P920 and its replacement N970 (worst mobile Phenom II X4 to the best).

[AceTaker]

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

The Phenom II, however I recommend a Phenom II X4 as the bare minimum. Anything less than a quad core/high clock speed dual core hyperthreaded CPU is poor value IMHO. Especially after using an A8 4555m then going back to the (true quad core) Phenom II P920 and its replacement N970 (worst mobile Phenom II X4 to the best).

I can't exactly afford a used X4.. My budget is extremely small, 30-40$ With tax is my max. BTW, I'm using a Dell inspiron 570, that I'm going to upgrade the cooler, and the CPU. I have the CPU cooler worked out.

[Dabombinable]

48 minutes ago, AceTaker said:

I can't exactly afford a used X4.. My budget is extremely small, 30-40$ With tax is my max. BTW, I'm using a Dell inspiron 570, that I'm going to upgrade the cooler, and the CPU. I have the CPU cooler worked out.

Well ok then, but a X4 will provide the best value and performance in the long term

[Clyne]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Well ok then, but a X4 will provide the best value and performance in the long term

A Athlon ii X4 would still be fine, I'd briefly owned a 630 and performed decent. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Athlon-II-X4-630-2-80GHz-Socket-AM3-Quad-Core-CPU-Processor-ADX630WFK42GM-/361729618823?hash=item5438c3f387:g:8z4AAOSwmfhX2YHc

[AceTaker]

7 hours ago, Bubblewhale said:

A Athlon ii X4 would still be fine, I'd briefly owned a 630 and performed decent. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Athlon-II-X4-630-2-80GHz-Socket-AM3-Quad-Core-CPU-Processor-ADX630WFK42GM-/361729618823?hash=item5438c3f387:g:8z4AAOSwmfhX2YHc

Thanks alot!