Firepro V7900 vs W5100 Solid Edge (Solidworks)

[FAQBytes]

I've been having a difficult time deciding between these two 'professional' graphics cards for university. I will primarily be designing CanSats/TubeSats/Rockets/etc.

 

I will put the relevant specs below.

V7900 Graphics Processor GPU Name: Cayman GPU Variant: Cayman PRO GL Architecture: TeraScale 3 Process Size: 40 nm Transistors: 2,640 million Die Size: 389 mm² Board Design Slot Width: Single-slot Length: 11 inches 279 mm TDP: 150 W Outputs: 4x DisplayPort Power Connectors: 1x 6-pin     Clock Speeds GPU Clock: 725 MHz Memory Clock: 1250 MHz  5000 MHz effective Render Config Shading Units: 1280 TMUs: 80 ROPs: 32 Compute Units: 20 Pixel Rate: 23.20 GPixel/s Texture Rate: 58.0 GTexel/s Floating-point performance: 1,856.0 GFLOPS Memory Memory Size: 2048 MB Memory Type: GDDR5 Memory Bus: 256 bit Bandwidth: 160.0 GB/s Other: Framelock/Genlock

W5100 Graphics Processor GPU Name: Bonaire GPU Variant: Bonaire PRO GL Architecture: GCN 1.1 Process Size: 28 nm Transistors: 2,080 million Die Size: 160 mm² Board Design Slot Width: Single-slot Length: 6.75 inches 171 mm TDP: 50 W Outputs: 4x DisplayPort Power Connectors: None     Clock Speeds GPU Clock: 930 MHz Memory Clock: 1500 MHz  6000 MHz effective Render Config Shading Units: 768 TMUs: 48 ROPs: 16 Compute Units: 12 Pixel Rate: 14.88 GPixel/s Texture Rate: 44.6 GTexel/s Floating-point performance: 1,428.5 GFLOPS Memory Memory Size: 4096 MB Memory Type: GDDR5 Memory Bus: 128 bit Bandwidth: 96.0 GB/s Other: AMD ZeroCore and FreeSync

 It's been hard to find head-to head benchmarks FPS-wise 

Any other suggestions will be helpful as well.

 

(Both are approximately the same cost. I have a kilowatt PSU in my PC so power is not an issue.)

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

6 minutes ago, FAQBytes said:

 It's been hard to find head-to head benchmarks FPS-wise 

 

I'm probably being very ignorant, but how do you measure professional performance in FPS? Is there maybe a different metric you are looking for?

 

From specs alone, the V7900 looks like a beefier model from an older generation, but I might be wrong.

[Hackentosher]

I'd say the w5100 is better because it has more memory and a newer finfet, but the other has more floating point performance. 

[FurdTurgeson]

8 minutes ago, FAQBytes said:

I've been having a difficult time deciding between these two 'professional' graphics cards for university. I will primarily be designing CanSats/TubeSats/Rockets/etc.

 

I will put the relevant specs below.

V7900 Graphics Processor GPU Name: Cayman GPU Variant: Cayman PRO GL Architecture: TeraScale 3 Process Size: 40 nm Transistors: 2,640 million Die Size: 389 mm² Board Design Slot Width: Single-slot Length: 11 inches 279 mm TDP: 150 W Outputs: 4x DisplayPort Power Connectors: 1x 6-pin     Clock Speeds GPU Clock: 725 MHz Memory Clock: 1250 MHz  5000 MHz effective Render Config Shading Units: 1280 TMUs: 80 ROPs: 32 Compute Units: 20 Pixel Rate: 23.20 GPixel/s Texture Rate: 58.0 GTexel/s Floating-point performance: 1,856.0 GFLOPS Memory Memory Size: 2048 MB Memory Type: GDDR5 Memory Bus: 256 bit Bandwidth: 160.0 GB/s Other: Framelock/Genlock

W5100 Graphics Processor GPU Name: Bonaire GPU Variant: Bonaire PRO GL Architecture: GCN 1.1 Process Size: 28 nm Transistors: 2,080 million Die Size: 160 mm² Board Design Slot Width: Single-slot Length: 6.75 inches 171 mm TDP: 50 W Outputs: 4x DisplayPort Power Connectors: None     Clock Speeds GPU Clock: 930 MHz Memory Clock: 1500 MHz  6000 MHz effective Render Config Shading Units: 768 TMUs: 48 ROPs: 16 Compute Units: 12 Pixel Rate: 14.88 GPixel/s Texture Rate: 44.6 GTexel/s Floating-point performance: 1,428.5 GFLOPS Memory Memory Size: 4096 MB Memory Type: GDDR5 Memory Bus: 128 bit Bandwidth: 96.0 GB/s Other: AMD ZeroCore and FreeSync

 

 It's been hard to find head-to head benchmarks FPS-wise 

Any other suggestions will be helpful as well.

 

(Both are approximately the same cost. I have a kilowatt PSU in my PC so power is not an issue.)

 

I would go FirePro based on shading units and the shadows solidworks needs. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Get a geforce card. 

 

There much faster, cheaper and have better support.

 

Nvidia has a much hight marketshare in the pro video world(90 to 10 percent)

 

You don't need a firepro and they won't do anything special and are more than enough for college. If you get a job they will have a system with a quadro in it for you.

 

If you really want a workstation card, get a quadro m4000 or k2200

[FAQBytes]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I'm probably being very ignorant, but how do you measure professional performance in FPS? Is there maybe a different metric you are looking for?

 

From specs alone, the V7900 looks like a beefier model from an older generation, but I might be wrong.

With heavy loads in Solidworks with several thousand triangles there will be bogging down into low FPS ranges to where it is very unpleasant to work with.

It's not a perfect example (radeon example), but gets the point across.

 

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Get a geforce card. 

 

There much faster, cheaper and have better support.

 

Nvidia has a much hight marketshare in the pro video world(90 to 10 percent)

 

You don't need a firepro and they won't do anything special and are more than enough for college. If you get a job they will have a system with a quadro in it for you.

 

If you really want a workstation card, get a quadro m4000 or k2200

The cheapest I could find was k2200 at $200. That's quite a bit more than what I was wanting to spend. 

As far as I can find, the W5100 outperforms the k2200 in Catia/Solidworks/Solidedge by ~30%.

(Again, the benchmarks are few and far between so it is hard to verify)

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, FAQBytes said:

The cheapest I could find was k2200 at $200. That's quite a bit more than what I was wanting to spend. 

As far as I can find, the W5100 outperforms the k2200 in Catia/Solidworks/Solidedge by ~30%.

(Again, the benchmarks are few and far between so it is hard to verify)

Id just get a gtx 1060. Much faster than a workstation card would be for that pcie.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 minutes ago, FAQBytes said:

With heavy loads in Solidworks with several thousand triangles there will be bogging down into low FPS ranges to where it is very unpleasant to work with.

It's not a perfect example (radeon example), but gets the point across.

 

Ah, I see. Damned, I just uninstalled a Solidworks trial without actually trying anything (I was checking if it would have RealView if a quadro was installed as a second card for another user), now I feel like making the comparison between the decrepit FX 3800 and the R9 280, but it's far too late  

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id just get a gtx 1060. Much faster than a workstation card would be for that pcie.

That wouldn't even have the driver support for RealView (there is a reason Nvidia an AMD charges higher prices for not so impressive specs in their workstation cards).

 

Which makes me think: how much juice is left on the table by the hardware we already have based on drivers  

[FAQBytes]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

That wouldn't even have the driver support for RealView (there is a reason Nvidia an AMD charges higher prices for not so impressive specs in their workstation cards).

 

Which makes me think: how much juice is left on the table by the hardware we already have based on drivers  

There's a thing called 'softmodding', which seems to have been lost in the past years where cards could be reflashed/mod drivers to turn them into the professional counterparts. Nvidia has largely done away with that, but some have been successful with softmodding the 290 into a W8100. It is largely unstable, and it still doesn't work perfectly.

[FurdTurgeson]

3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Ah, I see. Damned, I just uninstalled a Solidworks trial without actually trying anything (I was checking if it would have RealView if a quadro was installed as a second card for another user), now I feel like making the comparison between the decrepit FX 3800 and the R9 280, but it's far too late  

I bought a PC from school for $25, you can read more about it down below

 

anyway, they forgot to clear the hdd on em so I could still have solidworks on there if u want it

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, WSADKeysGaming said:

I bought a PC from school for $25, you can read more about it down below

 

anyway, they forgot to clear the hdd on em so I could still have solidworks on there if u want it

 

Thanks, but I wouldn't know what to do with it, I literally installed just to check the functionality was there, reported back, got grossed at how many things, services, and stuff it installed, and removed. Couldn't find a sample model to test, just created blank file to check RealView was enabled 

[FurdTurgeson]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Thanks, but I wouldn't know what to do with it, I literally installed just to check the functionality was there, reported back, got grossed at how many things, services, and stuff it installed, and removed. Couldn't find a sample model to test, just created blank file to check RealView was enabled 

Oh

 

back to Spotify I go then 

[LordLeewee]

Realview works well with my gtx1080 thanks to registry edits