AMD's FX-9800P (Excavator) APU edges out the Core i7 in laptop benchmarks

[Doobeedoo]

Well it's a good update, though how much is Excavator better as far as IPC vs FX8350 really?

[Trixanity]

2 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Well it's a good update, though how much is Excavator better as far as IPC s FX8350 really?

20-30% better IPC I believe.

[Suika]

I mean, the X4 860k beats an i3 when all threads are used usually, so I'm not shocked by these results.

 

Power consumption is my biggest concern here.

[Energycore]

16 hours ago, DXMember said:

I believe they have with the very exception of Iris Pro graphics which uses EDRAM which is like cheating or something...

It's not cheating if it gives better performance.

 

AMD's Zen APUs are rumored to have HBM modules as EDRAM, which should improve performance above what any of us could imagine an APU could do.

[Doobeedoo]

54 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

20-30% better IPC I believe.

Interesting. Well, it certainly will be exciting to see Zen reveal and specially benchmarks.

[Misanthrope]

17 hours ago, DXMember said:

that's not Zen

and AMDs APU solutions have been superior for quite some time

Not superior to Iris Pro 6200. Intel just chooses to barely use that at all. Probably because is far too costly as seen with AMD's constant money dilapidation due to their stupid insistence of pushing APUs when the tech just isn't fucking there yet.

[SkilledRebuilds]

I've always loved the APU idea, but they do need to be more powerful.

I'm awaiting single-threaded bench numbers first before buying one.

(Not for gaming obviously (altho could be important), just to see in general)

[Mr.Meerkat]

14 hours ago, Ansau said:

It is a bit unfair to compare one of your gaming solutions against an office-multimedia solution from the competition, and leave the room saying yours wins in gaming. Of course it will...

Nope, it's fair as long as both are drawing the same amount of power (maybe +/-5watts) and costs the same (or similarly) or the thing they are comparing to costs more or less but their APU is more powerful.

[Tech_Dreamer]

i'd love to see the desktop version of this against intel!

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, Tech_Dreamer said:

i'd love to see the desktop version of this against intel!

I'll save you some waiting, AMDs iGPU will outperform any of Intel's desktop iGPUs (excluding Broadwell 5775c/5675c, which have Iris graphics), while Intel will wreck AMD on the CPU side (with anything better than an i3). 

[PlayStation 2]

11 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Not superior to Iris Pro 6200. Intel just chooses to barely use that at all. Probably because is far too costly as seen with AMD's constant money dilapidation due to their stupid insistence of pushing APUs when the tech just isn't fucking there yet.

I was originally gonna say "AMD's shit is already kinda developed" but I pretty much realized that "kinda" isn't the same as "is finished".

[Tech_Dreamer]

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

I'll save you some waiting, AMDs iGPU will outperform any of Intel's desktop iGPUs (excluding Broadwell 5775c/5675c, which have Iris graphics), while Intel will wreck AMD on the CPU side (with anything better than an i3). 

nice , but i meant as in like raw core vs core compute raw performance , i'm assuming it'll be like 20-30% slower than an i7 flagship(regular consumer grade) , even with this kinda hype

[Senzelian]

On 2.6.2016 at 9:36 AM, Darel321 said:

well it's not pathetic.. I said that because I know it can run much better.. but sadly it would melt the laptop xD.. intel its pathetic... they got millions more to spend on their cpu gpu etc... and still amd with their shity apu beat them

Have you thought about Intel not wanting to beat AMD right now?

[AHaskin14]

Remember that time someone bought an I7 to play DOTA2 on the integrated chip? neither do I....

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, AHaskin14 said:

Remember that time someone bought an I7 to play DOTA2 on the integrated chip? neither do I....

That's not much worse than buying a 780 for Dota/csgo (although, in my defense, I would like to and have other games to play, I just don't).

 

But a lot of people end up with hyper threaded  dual core mobile i5/i7s in there laptops with no dGPU and end up gaming.

[AHaskin14]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

That's not much worse than buying a 780 for Dota/csgo (although, in my defense, I would like to and have other games to play, I just don't).

 

But a lot of people end up with mobile i7s in there laptops with no dGPU and end up gaming.

That's fair, it just seems  like an odd benchmark comparison. "look we get 38 fps in comparison to their processor that is usually not meant for this anyways"

[Darel321]

1 hour ago, Senzelian said:

Have you thought about Intel not wanting to beat AMD right now?

do you know that intel is snooping around wanting to buy apu??.. we can go on and on.. Im not a fan boy of anything.. Im just watching whats going on....

[AlTech]

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 3:09 PM, Ryan_Vickers said:

Is that actual test data or just what they say on the spec sheet?

Specsheet Thermal Design Power Limits.

 

One is 28nm and is super duper optimized (like ridiculously at this point) and the other is a 14nm process is which is kinda optimized.

 

FOr AMD, they can configure 2 options. 1 is 15w (for ultrabook like form factors) and the other is 35w.

 

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 8:43 PM, Trixanity said:

As for iGPUs: eDRAM is obviously a large performance boost that provides an otherwise memory-starved GPU what it needs to perform. Even DDR4 is not enough. AMD needs to increase SP count and find a way to add a healthy quantity of L4 cache for the SoC/iGPU one way or another. Whether that's HBM2, eDRAM or a third solution. That way they can comfortable reclaim the iGPU throne.

 

And if whatever throttling there is isn't thermal throttling, the solution would be to have power profiles that allow exceeding the rated TDP. Say if plugged in, the increased power consumption should be a non-issue as long as the excess doesn't cause thermal issues. However, so far many of the laptop solutions have been awful and not only in cooling.

Only if used correctly. I do believe more iGPUs should use them but for designs which can consume a fair amount of power.

 

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 8:34 PM, Castdeath97 said:

Iris Pro is a expensive as it gets and barely exists within the market.

A CPU with Iris Pro costs at least $400 (or Up to $700) Per unit. This is not Iris Pro. It's Iris which means it costs around $300 per unit.

 

 

[Castdeath97]

6 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

A CPU with Iris Pro costs at least $400 (or Up to $700) Per unit. This is not Iris Pro. It's Iris which means it costs around $300 per unit.

I guess you are talking about the i7 6550U?

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

I guess you are talking about the i7 6550U?

Yes

[RagnarokDel]

On 2/6/2016 at 3:16 AM, ZetZet said:

Zen could easily do it. This isn't Zen, we haven't seen what Zen can do.

 

 

We haven't seen what Intel will respond to Zen with either. 

10% IPC and a more powerful gpu.

[raphidy]

Good, 30FPS master race. Competitive game on barely playable framerate, that's weird bench to show. 

[KuJoe]

I would love to buy a netbook with an AMD APU, that would be awesome and I could finally do some heavier gaming with my disposable laptop.

[Sauron]

Not zen and not a cpu benchmark...

[Misanthrope]

18 minutes ago, ONOTech said:

Stupid insistence? APUs have been the backbone for AMD for the past two years. People seem to forget that console sales & mobile devices make a huge chunk of AMD's revenue, more so than desktop & desktop component sales. How do you expect the technology to be there without pushing the boundaries?

Yeah, and they still on the very edge of  bankruptcy so the other option is that they just fucking suck. I was actually generous saying the tech isn't there for practicality but maybe you're right: the laptops are poor, the consoles are remarkably underpowered, all around nothing but fucking financial failures in the wake of APUs. 

 

So which is it?