fanboys beware 'PASCAL ECLIPSE'? Will AMD beat NVIDIA?

[Captive]

For the sake of brevity and those who don't want to read miles of text:

Will AMD's Polaris eclipse NVIDIA's Pascal in performance?

 

 

Now, to further elaborate; there has been a lot of hype and rumours around Pascal, and NVIDIA showed a significant improvement on their last generation of GPUs, but it fell short of my expectations when NVIDIA dedicated most of their reveal towards non-performance related gimmicks like game photography and so on - maybe I'm just being picky.

 

On a more frustrating note, NVIDIA's joke with driver implementations that throttle older cards as newer ones are released is an indicator of their long-handed monopoly.

 

 

AMD has shown relatively recently with its Radeon Pro Duo that it's a force to be reckoned with, and I especially love how they're incorporating water-cooling into reference designs.

 

Will the underdog prevail?

 

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Let me know if I went overboard with my first post on LTT; I really would like to see some discussion.

 

[Hunched]

Correct Answer: Nobody here fuckin knows yet

[Aytex]

[TheKDub]

More of that ugly ass pegboard design from amd...

And I wouldn't doubt that a dual gpu card would be close to if not better than the 1080, it's a dual gpu card..

[kelvindeschutter]

we have very little information to go on at this time but seeing the recent news aritcals I think that AMD will try to get the low end market where they can gain a lot off market share

[awesomeness10120]

Well, we do know that Polaris 10 or 11 will be 232mm^2 chip, (this is from an AMD employee's LinkedIn) so my guess is that Polaris will be more bang for buck. IF Polaris is the same die size as GP104, then yes it will probably beat NVIDIA unless NVIDIA does some shady shit.

[Captive]

8 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

More of that ugly ass pegboard design from amd...

And I wouldn't doubt that a dual gpu card would be close to if not better than the 1080, it's a dual gpu card..

The Duo, funnily enough, classes as a single GPU, so I'm afriad you're wrong there.

 

The rest is subjective.

 

EDIT: I was completely wrong, sorry. The Duo is a dual GPU card, my stupid mistake!

 

6 minutes ago, kelvindeschutter said:

we have very little information to go on at this time but seeing the recent news aritcals I think that AMD will try to get the low end market where they can gain a lot off market share

I really hope not, as we could see more competition, better cards and lower prices in the upper tier card market.

[awesomeness10120]

1 minute ago, Captive said:

The Duo, funnily enough, classes as a single GPU, so I'm afriad you're wrong there.

 

The rest is subjective.

Wait, what?! It's two Fiji XT GPUs on one PCB. 

[Captive]

2 minutes ago, awesomeness10120 said:

Wait, what?! It's two Fiji XT GPUs on one PCB. 

I may be wrong judging by your disgust. Will look into it further, sorry!

 

EDIT: I was wrong, terribly sorry.

[awesomeness10120]

1 minute ago, Captive said:

I may be wrong judging by your disgust. Will look into it further, sorry!

It's ok man I got carried away

 

[Dabombinable]

9 minutes ago, Captive said:

For the sake of brevity and those who don't want to read miles of text:

Will AMD's Polaris eclipse NVIDIA's Pascal in performance?

 

Now, to further elaborate; there has been a lot of hype and rumours around Pascal, and NVIDIA showed a significant improvement on their last generation of GPUs, but it fell short of my expectations when NVIDIA dedicated most of their reveal towards non-performance related gimmicks like game photography and so on - maybe I'm just being picky.

 

On a more frustrating note, NVIDIA's joke with driver implementations that throttle older cards as newer ones are released is an indicator of their long-handed monopoly.

 

AMD has shown relatively recently with its Radeon Pro Duo that it's a force to be reckoned with, and I especially love how they're incorporating water-cooling into reference designs.

 

Will the underdog prevail?

 

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Let me know if I went overboard with my first post on LTT; I really would like to see some discussion.

 

I'll stop you right there. The performance of the pre 900 series GPU hasn't decreased at all. In fact its been increasing with each driver update, just not to the same extent as AMD's GPU-which only lose support if optimization is no longer possible (aka a GPU reaches its full performance potential).

[ForsakenLive]

We don't know at all. The title is very clickbaity...

[TheKDub]

Just now, Captive said:

The Duo, funnily enough, classes as a single GPU, so I'm afriad you're wrong there.

 

The rest is subjective.

 

I really hope not, as we could see more competition, better cards and lower prices in the upper tier card market.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3043993/hardware/amd-stakes-a-claim-on-virtual-reality-hardware-with-1500-dual-gpu-radeon-pro-duo.html

" Let the virtual reality GPU wars begin. AMD on Monday officially unwrapped a liquid-cooled, dual-GPU card called the Radeon Pro Duo that it says is the most powerful VR GPU today. "

 

The card takes 3x8pin power connectors, not to mention the name is "Radeon Pro Duo", duo = 2.

[KE2012]

3 minutes ago, Captive said:

I may be wrong judging by your disgust. Will look into it further, sorry!

It's classed as a dual GPU card as it has two physical processors. 

[Wander Away]

Oh boy, another amd vs nvidia flame war

*takes out popcorn*

[Captive]

1 minute ago, TheKDub said:

 

 

1 minute ago, KE2012 said:

 

Yes, sorry, guys! I edited my original posts, don't know what stupid sorcery overcame me.

[Captive]

5 minutes ago, ForsakenLive said:

We don't know at all. The title is very clickbaity...

Maybe I should work for the NVIDIA PR team? (x

 

Sorry about the topic, wanted to spark a fire on my entry to LTT, but not a war.

[Fulgrim]

Nothing is set in stone yet, but there's a good chance AMD are gonna kick some arse.

 

I mean they did do a demo with an early sample of their Polaris GPU, and it's power efficiency outperformed Nvidia's GTX 900 series by double. And this was with an engineering sample. 

 

 

[Centurius]

Unless anyone here is an AMD Engineer their guess is about as good as a magic 8 ball

[yenic]

Instead of saying "we don't know", because of course we don't know.. I'll give you an answer. If you ever need an answer and can't tell the future, look at the past for a prediction. AMD has been failing for a long time. That will continue. 

 

So we're looking at this small Pascal beating Polaris. AMD Vega will beat small Pascal, but will not beat big Pascal. 1080Ti or GP100 (HBM2 Titan). AMD thinks Vega will be the new "Fury X" that takes the crown but the 1080 has a lot of room and the 1080Ti will be the new 980Ti spoiling AMD's party.

 

AMD will have nice cards, much better than last gen but no one will buy them. The 1070 will fly off shelves like the 970s did. With the 1080, 1080Ti and GP100 Titan as the halo products. AMD is done. And I say that with no joy.

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, awesomeness10120 said:

Well, we do know that Polaris 10 or 11 will be 232mm^2 chip, (this is from an AMD employee's LinkedIn) so my guess is that Polaris will be more bang for buck. IF Polaris is the same die size as GP104, then yes it will probably beat NVIDIA unless NVIDIA does some shady shit.

Well, the density of one process or the other might be a little higher. On paper AMD would have an advantage there, but I don't know how it turns out in practice.

 

And then one architecture or the other may also be better. Plus driver optimizations and so on.

[awesomeness10120]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

Well, the density of one process or the other might be a little higher. On paper AMD would have an advantage there, but I don't know how it turns out in practice.

 

And then one architecture or the other may also be better. Plus driver optimizations and so on.

Take a look at the A9 chip from Apple. One version of the A9 is built using Samsung's 14nm process, while the other is built on TSMC's 16nm process, much like Polaris and Pascal. The die sizes of these two iPhone chips have a roughly 9% difference. Using this data, you could technically calculate how big Polaris would be if it was built on TSMC's 16nm process.

232 x 0.09= 20.88

232 + 20.88= 252.88mm^2

[Captive]

5 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

 

AMD is going in weird directions with their APUs and GPUs lately, seemingly attacking both top tier and bottom tier (which they already control) for some reason.

[awesomeness10120]

1 minute ago, Captive said:

AMD is going in weird directions with their APUs and GPUs lately, seemingly attacking both top tier and bottom tier (which they already control) for some reason.

Bottom tier is much more profitable than high end. More volume equals more sales which equals more money.

[LaiLaiNoob]

NVIDIA will crap their pants come next month :^)