fanboys beware 'PASCAL ECLIPSE'? Will AMD beat NVIDIA?

[yenic]

45 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

The problem is the post is devoid of any facts. This isn't about taking a side. He just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. 

It was a better post than yours for sure. Just because it's not what you wanted to read today doesn't mean you have to be so butthurt. Next time, instead offer a real response as to why you think this would be wrong.

 

But more than likely, this will continue. Yes I'm saying You're Wrong and you don't have a clue. I have nothing against AMD, I just didn't want to chime in with another "no one knows" post.

More pain is coming for your precious AMD.

[Sakkura]

31 minutes ago, awesomeness10120 said:

Take a look at the A9 chip from Apple. One version of the A9 is built using Samsung's 14nm process, while the other is built on TSMC's 16nm process, much like Polaris and Pascal. The die sizes of these two iPhone chips have a roughly 9% difference. Using this data, you could technically calculate how big Polaris would be if it was built on TSMC's 16nm process.

232 x 0.09= 20.88

232 + 20.88= 252.88mm^2

Those are not the same processes though. 

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, yenic said:

It was a better post than yours for sure. Just because it's not what you wanted to read today doesn't mean you have to be so butthurt. Next time, instead offer a real response as to why you think this would be wrong.

 

But more than likely, this will continue. Yes I'm saying You're Wrong and you don't have a clue. I have nothing against AMD, I just didn't want to chime in with another "no one knows" post.

More pain is coming for your precious AMD.

Jesus Christ man. Stop before I'm forced to go to the hospital. 

[yenic]

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Jesus Christ man. Stop before I'm forced to go to the hospital. 

You should before you see AMD Polaris get smashed by small Pascal. And when you see GP100 crush AMD Vega. Your company is done kid.

Maybe your doctor can help you wash that sand out of your vagina in the meantime.

[awesomeness10120]

18 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Those are not the same processes though. 

Yeah, they are made by two completely different companies, but both of the processes are based on TSMC 20nm, but that was a cancelled project.

[Sakkura]

6 hours ago, awesomeness10120 said:

Yeah, they are made by two completely different companies, but both of the processes are based on TSMC 20nm, but that was a cancelled project.

My point was, Samsung (GloFo) 14nm, for example, isn't just one process. There's LPE and LPP, and conclusions drawn based on 14nm LPE cannot necessarily be extrapolated to apply to 14nm LPP.

[Herman Mcpootis]

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

15 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

 

 

Of everything in this shit thread. This is the only post that matters. 

 

Spoiler

 

[othertomperson]

Considering that Nvidia seem to be following the same pattern as the 900 series, while AMD have said that Polaris will be mainstream only and it's looking like Fiji will remain their high end option until Vega, I'm going to guess not.

[Exeon]

It all comes down to benchmarks, not program benchmarks, but in-game ones.

 

Every year I see the same BS, "new gen is going to blow old gen away, AMD will overthrow Nvidia" yada yada

 

The 970 was supposed the be the value pick destroying the market, till 3.5GB of VRAM came up and the 390 blew it away in value.(I'm a Nvidia user but I will state facts not personal opinion)

 

So sit back, wait till you see the framerates and temperatures, then judge.

 

[Big-G]

Let me propose this, if the new GTX1080 is faster than 980 in dual SLI, and a Titan X, can we postulate that it might be a Single GPU card capable of giving the Pro Duo a serious run for it's money?

[Dabombinable]

40 minutes ago, GidonsClaw said:

Let me propose this, if the new GTX1080 is faster than 980 in dual SLI, and a Titan X, can we postulate that it might be a Single GPU card capable of giving the Pro Duo a serious run for it's money?

Can't hit funny and good point at the same times.

[DXMember]

for a thousand time already - Polaris is not a high-end chip

Vega is

[Captive]

2 hours ago, GidonsClaw said:

Let me propose this, if the new GTX1080 is faster than 980 in dual SLI, and a Titan X, can we postulate that it might be a Single GPU card capable of giving the Pro Duo a serious run for it's money?

The Pro Duo is a dual GPU card so should beat the 1080 with its 16 TFLOPS and massive CUDA count.

1 hour ago, DXMember said:

for a thousand time already - Polaris is not a high-end chip

Vega is

Not even Vega is really a high-end chip if looking at it from the perspective of top-tier NVIDIA cards. I think the Fury range is still going to be AMD's flagship series.

[A10-FTW]

yes 

 

P1 -

 

P2 -

 

[Starelementpoke]

13 hours ago, yenic said:

It was a better post than yours for sure. Just because it's not what you wanted to read today doesn't mean you have to be so butthurt. Next time, instead offer a real response as to why you think this would be wrong.

 

But more than likely, this will continue. Yes I'm saying You're Wrong and you don't have a clue. I have nothing against AMD, I just didn't want to chime in with another "no one knows" post.

More pain is coming for your precious AMD.

 

12 hours ago, yenic said:

You should before you see AMD Polaris get smashed by small Pascal. And when you see GP100 crush AMD Vega. Your company is done kid.

Maybe your doctor can help you wash that sand out of your vagina in the meantime.

I mean, at least you made it interesting.

[yenic]

The ones pinned in the corner tend to lash out the most. AMD fanboys are in massive denial here and due to the backlash from you all, I can't wait to see you wakeup to the same disaster that the 980ti was for the Fury cards.

We'll be hearing this same story, "AMD has special sauce coming, you just wait!" in 2018 for sure. After Vega is crushed by the GP100. Welcome to your nightmare fanboys.

[Autoimmunity]

19 hours ago, yenic said:

Instead of saying "we don't know", because of course we don't know.. I'll give you an answer. If you ever need an answer and can't tell the future, look at the past for a prediction. AMD has been failing for a long time. That will continue. 

 

So we're looking at this small Pascal beating Polaris. AMD Vega will beat small Pascal, but will not beat big Pascal. 1080Ti or GP100 (HBM2 Titan). AMD thinks Vega will be the new "Fury X" that takes the crown but the 1080 has a lot of room and the 1080Ti will be the new 980Ti spoiling AMD's party.

 

AMD will have nice cards, much better than last gen but no one will buy them. The 1070 will fly off shelves like the 970s did. With the 1080, 1080Ti and GP100 Titan as the halo products. AMD is done. And I say that with no joy.

I encourage you to watch THIS video and reevaluate your prediction.  Nvidia may be the top dog, but that can always change, especially if they keep producing chips that are 600mm².  There might not even be a 1080ti if Nvidia doesn't find a way to make the GP100 chip easier to produce.  The first GP100 chips are going to be sold for over $10,000, so this is obviously a very expensive chip to produce.

 

Add to that the fact that AMD is much better poised to produce multi GPU dies on one chip, and the future is much more difficult to see.  AMD is also still a very valuable company with all the patents they hold, so even if they fail they would be bought up by other companies, likely Samsung.

 

AMD ain't done yet, if they're going down they're going to kick and scream first.

 

 

[Captive]

Can we have less of the fanboy wars, however funny and amusing they are?

[SteveGrabowski0]

I just can't see it with Polaris 10 based on the statements AMD Roy made to ArsTechnica where he said Polaris was all about expanding the userbase for VR by offering a mainstream chip that can handle it. He made it sound like they're not going after the high end like Nvidia is with GP104. I'm expecting somewhere between R9 390 and GTX 980 performance for something in the range of $230-$300.

[SteveGrabowski0]

If AMD can pull off R9 390x performance for $250, Polaris 10 should make them a lot of money. And I don't think it's that unrealistic with as big a node shrink as they're doing.

[Citadelen]

21 hours ago, TheKDub said:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3043993/hardware/amd-stakes-a-claim-on-virtual-reality-hardware-with-1500-dual-gpu-radeon-pro-duo.html

" Let the virtual reality GPU wars begin. AMD on Monday officially unwrapped a liquid-cooled, dual-GPU card called the Radeon Pro Duo that it says is the most powerful VR GPU today. "

 

The card takes 3x8pin power connectors, not to mention the name is "Radeon Pro Duo", duo = 2.

AMD has said that the extra 8-pin is in case people want to overclock, the card its self consumes around 50W more than a single 980 Ti.

[TheKDub]

1 minute ago, Citadelen said:

AMD has said that the extra 8-pin is in case people want to overclock, the card its self consumes around 50W more than a single 980 Ti.

" Update: Speaking with AMD officials at the launch, power consumption was very much on the mind of the company, but the card uses far less than the three plugs can supply. Officials told me the card actually has a TDP rating of just 350 watts but it built in the third power plug for overhead for those who want to overclock. "

 

The 980ti is only 250W, not 300W, so there's a 100W difference between it and the radeon pro duo.

[Shahnewaz]

21 hours ago, Captive said:

For the sake of brevity and those who don't want to read miles of text:

Will AMD's Polaris eclipse NVIDIA's Pascal in performance?

 

 

Now, to further elaborate; there has been a lot of hype and rumours around Pascal, and NVIDIA showed a significant improvement on their last generation of GPUs, but it fell short of my expectations when NVIDIA dedicated most of their reveal towards non-performance related gimmicks like game photography and so on - maybe I'm just being picky.

 

On a more frustrating note, NVIDIA's joke with driver implementations that throttle older cards as newer ones are released is an indicator of their long-handed monopoly.

 

 

AMD has shown relatively recently with its Radeon Pro Duo that it's a force to be reckoned with, and I especially love how they're incorporating water-cooling into reference designs.

 

Will the underdog prevail?

 

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Let me know if I went overboard with my first post on LTT; I really would like to see some discussion.

 

Let me help you with that.

[Citadelen]

1 minute ago, TheKDub said:

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TDP isn't power draw; anyway, AMD and Nvidia measure TDP differently.