AMD Geekbenchs for engineering examples???

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Fine, it's $71.204565... to be more precise but just saying...you could get sandy bridge i5's last year for the same price of a x4 845 now  

locked sandy's, yes.

unlocked. Oh hell no.... I havent seen a unlocked Intel i5 go below 100 USD without it being painfully obvious that "this chip is burnt out and i hope you will not notice before you pay me".

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, Prysin said:

locked sandy's, yes.

unlocked. Oh hell no.... I havent seen a unlocked Intel i5 go below 100 USD without it being painfully obvious that "this chip is burnt out and i hope you will not notice before you pay me".

True dat I'm still happy with my 2300 for my secondary machine where back then, I had to dedicate 2 of my 4 cores of my i5 3570k on hosting game servers...now it has a 560 which I picked up for cheep as I wanted something that could run most games at 1080p and lowest settings fine

[ivan134]

4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Actually. You are slightly wrong.

 

Bristol Ridge (Excavator APU) and the AM4 socket/platform is launching around summer

ZEN FX (or whatever they call it) is launching around end of 2016.

ZEN APUs are not destined before Q1 or Q2 2017.

 

AMD has on several occasions said that they are pushing for "high end desktop CPUs" first. probably in an effort to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.

AMD also knows that with DDR4, their Tonga based iGPU found in Bristol Ridge alongside a pretty decent 2 module 4 thread Excavator CPU is more then capable of securing the mobile and iGPU market.

 

The last we heard was either Q4 2016 or H1 2017 for Zen FX (or whatever it will be called), so I went with the latter which is safer.

[Prysin]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

True dat I'm still happy with my 2300 for my secondary machine where back then, I had to dedicate 2 of my 4 cores of my i5 3570k on hosting game servers...now it has a 560 which I picked up for cheep as I wanted something that could run most games at 1080p and lowest settings fine

after my HD 7950 burnt out, i bought a GTX 950 for my mini ITX setup... Now i need a less ridiculous PSU though.

You know, its fine using a 750w Corsair RM PSU for a 7870k that is running 4.6GHz and a HD 7950 running at 1125Mhz on the core and 1650 on the memory.... You sorta need that.

But when running with a GTX 950 and a X4 845 (locked. Baseclock OC only), then you realize that you are so fucking screwed by having that huge lump of PSU in there.

 

.... Yes, it is ridiculous.

 

 

On the flip side. That x4 845 running at 106-108 baseclock (results in about 3.7 stock to 4.07 turbo clock speed) is faster in single core then my FX 8320 is at 4.5GHz. That is fun....

[Mr.Meerkat]

3 minutes ago, Prysin said:

after my HD 7950 burnt out, i bought a GTX 950 for my mini ITX setup... Now i need a less ridiculous PSU though.

You know, its fine using a 750w Corsair RM PSU for a 7870k that is running 4.6GHz and a HD 7950 running at 1125Mhz on the core and 1650 on the memory.... You sorta need that.

But when running with a GTX 950 and a X4 845 (locked. Baseclock OC only), then you realize that you are so fucking screwed by having that huge lump of PSU in there.

.... Yes, it is ridiculous.

On the flip side. That x4 845 running at 106-108 baseclock (results in about 3.7 stock to 4.07 turbo clock speed) is faster in single core then my FX 8320 is at 4.5GHz. That is fun....

Dayum son, even my xfx 850w PSU is smaller...xD 

 

Can I have your 820 so I can fit my second 290x into my computer again?

[awesomeness10120]

1 minute ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Dayum son, even my xfx 850w PSU is smaller...xD 

 

Can I have your 820 so I can fit my second 290x into my computer again?

Why not ask for a PSU when you can ask for his 295x2? 

 

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Dayum son, even my xfx 850w PSU is smaller...xD 

 

Can I have your 820 so I can fit my second 290x into my computer again?

atleast i KNOW that the AX1500i wont fit in there.

And no, i am not giving away my FX 8320 nor my Asus 990FX Sabertooth board.

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, awesomeness10120 said:

Why not ask for a PSU when you can ask for his 295x2? 

 

I'm asking for his case thou...not his PSU or GPU...god dammit...me and my stupid decisions...I was going to get a 410 but the 240 was cheaper while basically being the same size so I didn't bother checking about the bottom HDD cage...

 

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

atleast i KNOW that the AX1500i wont fit in there.

And no, i am not giving away my FX 8320 nor my Asus 990FX Sabertooth board.

Case, not CPU/Mobo

[Prysin]

13 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

I'm asking for his case thou...not his PSU or GPU...god dammit...me and my stupid decisions...I was going to get a 410 but the 240 was cheaper while basically being the same size so I didn't bother checking about the bottom HDD cage...

 

Case, not CPU/Mobo

the 820, if you're willing to pay for it, sure.

I dont really like it. I loved it in the beginning, but its not silent enough, i so wish the "new" H440 model was out when i was shoppin for a case. That white version is so fucking ballin.

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

the 820, if you're willing to pay for it, sure.

I dont really like it. I loved it in the beginning, but its not silent enough, i so wish the "new" H440 model was out when i was shoppin for a case. That white version is so fucking ballin.

that's why I want it for free...don't have the dosh to either get a dual slot HS or a new case for my second 290x...and I don't want to use the reference cooler...my earssssssssssssssss...(although with British weather, when I first got them, they were both running under 75c gaming and 85c with furmark at 40% fan speed  

[Prysin]

1 minute ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

that's why I want it for free...don't have the dosh to either get a dual slot HS or a new case for my second 290x...and I don't want to use the reference cooler...my earssssssssssssssss...(although with British weather, when I first got them, they were both running under 75c gaming and 85c with furmark at 40% fan speed  

try norwegian winters. Ive had my 295x2 running 1100 on each core and 1600 memory while staying below 55c... although with the window open and -10c rushing down onto my PC directly under the window, it is no wonder it stays cool

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, Prysin said:

try norwegian winters. Ive had my 295x2 running 1100 on each core and 1600 memory while staying below 55c... although with the window open and -10c rushing down onto my PC directly under the window, it is no wonder it stays cool

that's with an AIO...if you go look at 290x reference reviews, you would find basically everyone complaining about the noise and 95c...

[Prysin]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

that's with an AIO...if you go look at 290x reference reviews, you would find basically everyone complaining about the noise and 95c...

that AIO isnt very quiet.... its 47dba almost all the time.

And the VRM cooler on the 295x2, when under OC, is NOT quiet. I didnt even know a 55mm fan could make that much noise

[Coaxialgamer]

I want to be excited , but i'm scared this will be another disappointment Still , think of what an 8 core at 4ghz could achieve  !

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I want to be excited , but i'm scared this will be another disappointment Still , think of what an 8 core at 4ghz could achieve  !

want to know some scores? I can fire my x4 845 up, it runs at 4GHz thanks to a mild baseclock OC...

 

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Prysin said:

want to know some scores? I can fire my x4 845 up, it runs at 4GHz thanks to a mild baseclock OC...

 

sure 

[Mr.Meerkat]

3 minutes ago, Prysin said:

that AIO isnt very quiet.... its 47dba almost all the time.

And the VRM cooler on the 295x2, when under OC, is NOT quiet. I didnt even know a 55mm fan could make that much noise

my 290x@1175/1350mhz with a h75 and a sp120 at lowest speeds (or at lease with my fan controller) is a slight hum (or maybe it's my h100i fans I'm hearing...it's hard to distinguish which sound is which rad, one is a hum and one is just the air whooshing...) and during gaming, it doesn't go above 65c  

[Dabombinable]

6 hours ago, ivan134 said:

No one said you should buy this. AMD has already said Zen (includung APUs, I'm still confused as to what makes you think we're only getting CPUs) is releasing in 2017 so why are you expecting it in 2016?

Ok, now I understand you. Your seeing what you want to see, and are barely able to comprehend over 50% of what I type.

[Prysin]

4 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

sure 

too bad, but i forgot to run the benches whilst engulfed in a TV series.

 

no scores for ya

[Prysin]

43 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Ok, now I understand you. Your seeing what you want to see, and are barely able to comprehend over 50% of what I type.

and you're a tunnelvisioned fanboy who rave about 2005 laptops that nobody in their right fucking mind give a shit about.

Same with your 2008-2009 pentiums. Nobody cares about those anymore. You rave on about CMT this and CMT that, yet you have no real understanding how it works, nor how it performs. You are stuck with the misconception that because synthetics say its shit, and because it was shit in 2011, it is still shit. Well, times change. Software change. APIs change.

What has not changed is YOU. You who keep posting outdated detrimental derailing bullshit in every AMD thread, refusing to listen to reason or evidence. Instead you keep raving on, like you have done for the past 5 years by now.

 

It's time to change Dab. AMD has done it, but we are still waiting for you.

[Dabombinable]

23 minutes ago, Prysin said:

and you're a tunnelvisioned fanboy who rave about 2005 laptops that nobody in their right fucking mind give a shit about.

Same with your 2008-2009 pentiums. Nobody cares about those anymore. You rave on about CMT this and CMT that, yet you have no real understanding how it works, nor how it performs. You are stuck with the misconception that because synthetics say its shit, and because it was shit in 2011, it is still shit. Well, times change. Software change. APIs change.

What has not changed is YOU. You who keep posting outdated detrimental derailing bullshit in every AMD thread, refusing to listen to reason or evidence. Instead you keep raving on, like you have done for the past 5 years by now.

 

It's time to change Dab. AMD has done it, but we are still waiting for you.

 

READ as this sums up what has been going on, everyone misunderstanding what was said despite the explanations:

8 hours ago, DocSwag said:

I think a small miss understanding is causing a giant flame war here...

@Dabombinable made a comment about hoping AMD doesn't stay with CMT. Everyone jumped on him.

 

Ok, first of all, his point was:

If AMD doesn't make a Zen APU, I'm out of here.

 

What everyone else though he meant:

Everyone else thinks he means: Zen is still CMT or AMD won't make a Zen APU

 

For the record, Zen is not CMT. Done.

AMD is most definitely making a Zen APU. It'd be stupid not to. Their 28nm APUs are nearly as good as Intel's 14nm iGPU with integrated DRAM. Bring them down to 14nm, and maybe even add some HBM, and I can easily see AMD having APUs two times if not more powerful than Intels offerings. As well, it's been pretty much confirmed at this point that AMD is bringing out CPUs first in Q4 2016 and APUs will follow in Q2 2017. Whether it's based on Vega or Polaris we don't know. I'd think it might be Vega, though, since the APUs will come out after Vega does.

 

There. Now shut up and stop calling each other idiots for something they didn't even say.

 

Also, if you had been reading, I did say that I could make my laptop last until around 2020 to see what AMD releases as it will be next to useless by then. Throwing around the term fanboy blindly......

[suicidalfranco]

33 minutes ago, Prysin said:

and you're a tunnelvisioned fanboy who rave about 2005 laptops that nobody in their right fucking mind give a shit about.

Same with your 2008-2009 pentiums. Nobody cares about those anymore. You rave on about CMT this and CMT that, yet you have no real understanding how it works, nor how it performs. You are stuck with the misconception that because synthetics say its shit, and because it was shit in 2011, it is still shit. Well, times change. Software change. APIs change.

What has not changed is YOU. You who keep posting outdated detrimental derailing bullshit in every AMD thread, refusing to listen to reason or evidence. Instead you keep raving on, like you have done for the past 5 years by now.

 

It's time to change Dab. AMD has done it, but we are still waiting for you.

what's the story behind CMT?

[DocSwag]

4 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

what's the story behind CMT?

AMD decided to save die space, they would cut out FPUs from the CPU that aren't really fully used most of the time. The idea was decent, but the execution was terrible. They ended up with a CPU that had less than if not only equally as good IPC as their previous generation and that, because it had less FPUs, would lag behind in some applications as well as gaming. Basically, it was a decent idea in theory that was executed horribly and may not have been as good of an idea as it seemed.

[shdowhunt60]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

AMD decided to save die space, they would cut out FPUs from the CPU that aren't really fully used most of the time. The idea was decent, but the execution was terrible. They ended up with a CPU that had less than if not only equally as good IPC as their previous generation and that, because it had less FPUs, would lag behind in some applications as well as gaming. Basically, it was a decent idea in theory that was executed horribly and may not have been as good of an idea as it seemed.

It goes a bit more into that.

 

1. Most of the CPU's workload is Integer based.

2. Software is becoming increasingly multi-threaded.

3. Die shrinks are becoming increasingly more expensive and difficult

4. Compute loads are being offloaded onto GPU's.

 

And those are all reasonable assumptions to make, and in a perfect world Bulldozer made plenty of sense. Where problems arose was that GloFo's 32nm ended up being delayed, and was complete ass at first (it's actually quite good now) and software wasn't becoming multi-threaded fast enough.

 

CMT actually really is not a bad idea, and if you look at later CMT based designs AMD has made some pretty significant strides in improving the core architecture. The reason why we don't see more out of it is because AMD has been stuck on 32nm/28nm for so long, and they basically have a skeleton crew working on Bulldozer.

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, shdowhunt60 said:

It goes a bit more into that.

 

1. Most of the CPU's workload is Integer based.

2. Software is becoming increasingly multi-threaded.

3. Die shrinks are becoming increasingly more expensive and difficult

4. Compute loads are being offloaded onto GPU's.

 

And those are all reasonable assumptions to make, and in a perfect world Bulldozer made plenty of sense. Where problems arose was that GloFo's 32nm ended up being delayed, and was complete ass at first (it's actually quite good now) and software wasn't becoming multi-threaded fast enough.

 

CMT actually really is not a bad idea, and if you look at later CMT based designs AMD has made some pretty significant strides in improving the core architecture. The reason why we don't see more out of it is because AMD has been stuck on 32nm/28nm for so long, and they basically have a skeleton crew working on Bulldozer.

5. With a better cache arrangement 1 of the integer units/ALU wouldn't end up waiting for the other to finish its task in some circumstances.