960 4G VS 380 4G (NO BS Please)

[ppppppp]

O.k I'm going straight to the question.

 

Which is better The 960 4G or the 340 4G.

 

No fanboyism, No BS just which is better.

 

I have(getting) an EVGA GS 550W Gold rated PSU, with a s340 case with 4 case fans, so temperature and power draw is not a problem.

 

Just which is superior in terms of performance in a large variety of games, non of that game-works sabotage crap.

[manikyath]

the 380 is better performance per dollar, slightly hotter/more energy draw, and comes with the amd ecosystem (amd drivers, freesync, etc.)

the 960 will cost you more for the performance you get, uses less energy (nothing most people should be worried about) and comes with the nvidia ecosystem (g-sync, nvidia drivers, geforce experience, nvidia shield, etc.)

[Kobathor]

R9 380 is faster in most games, but they're usually pretty similar. 

[max_headroom]

The 960 over clocks like a mother father.  Over clock it and it'll blow the 380 out of the water.

[Moonzy]

380:

perform slightly better in DX11

performs better in DX12

slightly cheaper

 

960:

Less cpu overhead (major point if your cpu is near bottlenecking)

less wattage

nvidia features like shadowplay

[ThinkWithPortals]

14 minutes ago, ppppppp said:

O.k I'm going straight to the question.

 

Which is better The 960 4G or the 340 4G.

 

No fanboyism, No BS just which is better.

 

I have(getting) an EVGA GS 550W Gold rated PSU, with a s340 case with 4 case fans, so temperature and power draw is not a problem.

 

Just which is superior in terms of performance in a large variety of games, non of that game-works sabotage crap.

I would recommend the 380 in that situation. Slightly faster currently and should be more so with the coming of DX12, plus your PSU and airflow situation are perfectly sufficient.

[don_svetlio]

R9 380 is simply the better option - 15% faster, MUCH better DX12 performance (around 40% better) - uses around 30-40W more, supports AMD features such as GPU Open, Bridgeless CF, Free-sync, True Audio

[Ansau]

1 hour ago, max_headroom said:

The 960 over clocks like a mother father.  Over clock it and it'll blow the 380 out of the water.

That's not true. 960 needs to be at 1400MHz to match stock Tonga (970MHz). From here the 960 can go up to 1500-1550 (+7-10%) and Tonga to 1150-1175 (+18-21%).

 

To OP, from what you said the 380 will be better. It outperforms in pretty much all games from the past 1.5 years. And from the little we've seen of dx12, the difference between 380 and 960 becomes even bigger.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 hour ago, max_headroom said:

The 960 over clocks like a mother father.  Over clock it and it'll blow the 380 out of the water.

 

Only in numbers, performance scaling is, meh. Unlike the the 380. 

[max_headroom]

28 minutes ago, Ansau said:

That's not true. 960 needs to be at 1400MHz to match stock Tonga (970MHz). From here the 960 can go up to 1500-1550 (+7-10%) and Tonga to 1150-1175 (+18-21%).

 

To OP, from what you said the 380 will be better. It outperforms in pretty much all games from the past 1.5 years. And from the little we've seen of dx12, the difference between 380 and 960 becomes even bigger.

I've had my 960 running at 1,610mhz stable.  It's very rare for a 380 to get past beyond 1,150 until it falls on its face.

[max_headroom]

20 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Only in numbers, performance scaling is, meh. Unlike the the 380. 

On many games the two cards trade blows.  When overclocked, the 960 pulls ahead.

Not to mention the 960 is able to sustain higher minimum frame rates.  This translates to less dips than the 380.

 

This is exactly what I notice with my R9 390 when I compared it with the 970.

[ppppppp]

2 minutes ago, max_headroom said:

On many games the two cards trade blows.  When overclocked, the 960 pulls ahead.

Not to mention the 960 is able to sustain higher minimum frame rates.  This translates to less dips than the 380.

 

This is exactly what I notice with my R9 390 when I compared it with the 970.

Well after watching many videos, I have concluded that the 380 beats the 960 in the majority of games and is overall around 10% more powerful and with dx12 coming the difference only gets greater. So I'm going with the 380.

[max_headroom]

1 minute ago, ppppppp said:

Well after watching many videos, I have concluded that the 380 beats the 960 in the majority of games and is overall around 10% more powerful and with dx12 coming the difference only gets greater. So I'm going with the 380.

I would be cautious on what videos you watch.  Jay2cents and TOT are fairly big AMD fanboys.  Anaandtech would get my vote as to someone who knows what he's doing and is somewhat balanced.  I know he left but IMO the site is still quite credible.

 

DX12 is really just something people who like to wave around.  It's still quite early for it to be a deciding factor.  It won't be until about another 2 years until big titles use it and for it to be a big deal.  By that time, both the 960 and 380 would be relics.

 

I used Mantle on my 390 while playing BF4.  Honestly I didn't notice a darn difference between it and DX.

What more, developers aren't going to polish DX12 and abandon 11.  Heck they may even support 10.  They would be alienating a majority of the market which would be suicide.

 

But it's your money and I wish you find the card you like.

 

Like I said, I went with the 390 over the 970.  Do I regret it?  Not really.  Both cards do a fantastic job.  However, when summer comes along and the valley heat reaches 105 degrees... my 390 might set itself on fire.  Let's hope not

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

On 10/04/2016 at 2:13 AM, max_headroom said:

On many games the two cards trade blows.  When overclocked, the 960 pulls ahead.

Not to mention the 960 is able to sustain higher minimum frame rates.  This translates to less dips than the 380.

 

This is exactly what I notice with my R9 390 when I compared it with the 970.

 

All those numbers and not a mention of what happens when you OC a 380, 

 

380 OC: 1100/1500Mhz 

 

Spoiler

 

960 OC: 1584/1977Mhz 

 

Spoiler

(Titan X is a typo)

 

TR 1200p:

380 OC: 91fps

960 OC: 92fps 

 

Bioshock 1200p: 

380 OC: 84

960 OC: 81

 

Hitman 1200p:

380 OC: 67

960 OC: 61 

 

Also here in DF's video, 

 

The stock 380 is matching the OC'd 960 for most of the video. Only in certain areas was the 960 OC faster and able to catch up to the 380x. 

 

(Now that's an actual 960 beast guru3d had, too bad not all of the 960 are like this) 

 

This just came in as well:

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

2 hours ago, ppppppp said:

O.k I'm going straight to the question.

 

Which is better The 960 4G or the 340 4G.

 

No fanboyism, No BS just which is better.

 

I have(getting) an EVGA GS 550W Gold rated PSU, with a s340 case with 4 case fans, so temperature and power draw is not a problem.

 

Just which is superior in terms of performance in a large variety of games, non of that game-works sabotage crap.

What CPU do you have? If it's lower end (eg i3) the GTX 960 is the better buy because the DirectX11 overhead can be a problem with AMD cards on weak cpus. If it's a stronger cpu (eg i5) then that DX11 overhead isn't a problem and the R9 380 strongly outperforms the GTX 960 due to being a lot stronger at a hardware level. So in a vacuum the R9 380 is significantly better, but if you don't have the cpu to drive it then you're probably better off with the GTX 960.

[SteveGrabowski0]

32 minutes ago, ppppppp said:

Well after watching many videos, I have concluded that the 380 beats the 960 in the majority of games and is overall around 10% more powerful and with dx12 coming the difference only gets greater. So I'm going with the 380.

I think it's more like 15%, as long as you have the cpu to drive it.

[ppppppp]

24 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I think it's more like 15%, as long as you have the cpu to drive it.

I'm getting an i5 6500

[DocSwag]

56 minutes ago, max_headroom said:

I would be cautious on what videos you watch.  Jay2cents and TOT are fairly big AMD fanboys.  Anaandtech would get my vote as to someone who knows what he's doing and is somewhat balanced.  I know he left but IMO the site is still quite credible.

 

DX12 is really just something people who like to wave around.  It's still quite early for it to be a deciding factor.  It won't be until about another 2 years until big titles use it and for it to be a big deal.  By that time, both the 960 and 380 would be relics.

 

I used Mantle on my 390 while playing BF4.  Honestly I didn't notice a darn difference between it and DX.

What more, developers aren't going to polish DX12 and abandon 11.  Heck they may even support 10.  They would be alienating a majority of the market which would be suicide.

 

But it's your money and I wish you find the card you like.

 

Like I said, I went with the 390 over the 970.  Do I regret it?  Not really.  Both cards do a fantastic job.  However, when summer comes along and the valley heat reaches 105 degrees... my 390 might set itself on fire.  Let's hope not

Do not true, jay is not an AMD fanboy or anything like that. I wouldn't call someone who has used Nvidia GPUs in his personal system for the past 5 years or more or whatever it is an AMD fanboy. As well, he has even STATED that he prefers Nvidia GPUs in his personal systems.

As for TOT I have heard stuff about him....

 

I have looked at MANY review sites and all of them show the 380 beating the 960 in nearly every game, not to mention how much better it is in dx12. As well, AMD cards have better longevity. It's a fact, you can't deny it. 

 

390 vs 970 is an argument that can go either way. 380 vs 960 on the other hand is something that it is widely agreed on the forum that the 380 wins except when you need Nvidia features such as shadow play or if for whatever reason the 380 would put you in need of a new psu (though if a 380 can do that you probably should get a new psu anyways).

[SteveGrabowski0]

11 minutes ago, ppppppp said:

I'm getting an i5 6500

Then 380 all the way.

[stconquest]

@ppppppp

 

Either is fine.  I would do the R9 380 for many reasons.

 

The 650W version of the GS is $80:  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220gs0650v1

[max_headroom]

10 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

As well, AMD cards have better longevity. It's a fact, you can't deny it.

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!  All video cards that I ever owned that died have been AMD/ATI.

Put your "fact" back where you pulled it out of.

[stconquest]

6 minutes ago, max_headroom said:

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!  All video cards that I ever owned that died have been AMD/ATI.

Put your "fact" back where you pulled it out of.

...and I have only had an nvidia card (7300LE ) die on me.  I still have my GT9500, Radeon 5850 and my R9 280 still kicking.  Your situation is as meaningless as is my 7300 LE dying.

[ivan134]

People are still trying to make arguments for one of the worst graphics cards I've seen in years? 10% is generous. There are games where the 960 is up to 23% slower and it doesnt even catch up to the 380 when overclocked. The 960 puts up the worst fight against it competitor than any other right now or that I've seen in years

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

14 minutes ago, max_headroom said:

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!  All video cards that I ever owned that died have been AMD/ATI.

Put your "fact" back where you pulled it out of.

 

You do know that what he meant was the performance throughout the card's life right?

[Qwerty2323]

I hate heat so I went with nvidia my opinion...

Because summers sck for pc at my room...