Tesla Model 3

[GeekJump]

I want one! Especially with the $7k tax incentive  

 

but unfortunately the infrastructure for it is utter crap in 90% of the country and the other 10% is barely there. I remember reading an article about someone driving around San Francisco (you know, that major city and tech hub) with an EV for a few weeks and he couldn't find places with enough charging stations so he was stuck either waiting for a car to leave or hoping his battery lasted the day. 

 

I don't live in a major city and I haven't even see 1 charging station in person in the US.... 

[kuddlesworth9419]

How do you supercharge an electric car. Or is it some stupid branding thing. Oh I see that's just really stupid. They need to change that.

[Guest]

On 03.04.2016. at 1:23 AM, anonysrom said:

It's definitely different, like how some people were mad when all touch phones came to market, we don't like change too much. Elon Musk has said the dashless design it will make sense in the Part II of the unveil, so we'll see. Also reservations are up to 276k by the end of Saturday if anyone was curious.

 

When I look at it is actually weird, really. But it was meant more of a joke than anything else

[patrick3027]

Why are people excited about this car? It's basically a Chevrolet Bolt that's hard to buy.

 

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/

 

[anonysrom]

On 4/9/2016 at 5:41 AM, patrick3027 said:

Why are people excited about this car? It's basically a Chevrolet Bolt that's hard to buy.

 

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/

 

In addition to their innovative technology, one of the biggest advantages Tesla has over its competitors is its super charging infrastructure.

 

https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

[Burusutazu]

3 hours ago, patrick3027 said:

Why are people excited about this car? It's basically a Chevrolet Bolt that's hard to buy.

 

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/

 

Tesla created this technology, Chevy only adapted it. This may change in the future, but for now while they are at competitive prices I will go with the innovator over the adapter. Of course if Tesla is still true to their word they would love it if you bought a Bolt.

[dalekphalm]

22 minutes ago, Burusutazu said:

Tesla created this technology, Chevy only adapted it. This may change in the future, but for now while they are at competitive prices I will go with the innovator over the adapter. Of course if Tesla is still true to their word they would love it if you bought a Bolt.

Sorry, could you clarify what exactly Tesla created, technology wise? Just so we're all clear what your point is here.

[Burusutazu]

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Sorry, could you clarify what exactly Tesla created, technology wise? Just so we're all clear what your point is here.

A lot of the work put into the Chevy is from patents Tesla made publicly available, the only thing Chevy had to make was the Motor and Battery arrangement. (excluding typical design costs, those are completely Chevy) Of course Tesla made these available in hopes of getting more competition in the EV market, which it did. I'm not hating on Chevy for doing so, it helps speed up innovation, but at the same exact price point i'm willing to wait for a Tesla than to get the Chevy. Tesla also has the Supercharger network and it is a huge selling point for the Tesla.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, Burusutazu said:

A lot of the work put into the Chevy is from patents Tesla made publicly available, the only thing Chevy had to make was the Motor and Battery arrangement. (excluding typical design costs, those are completely Chevy) Of course Tesla made these available in hopes of getting more competition in the EV market, which it did. I'm not hating on Chevy for doing so, it helps speed up innovation, but at the same exact price point i'm willing to wait for a Tesla than to get the Chevy. Tesla also has the Supercharger network and it is a huge selling point for the Tesla.

Ah okay - that's much more specific.

 

It sounded like you were implying that Tesla invented electric cars (Not even close to true). It's generally best to state this kind of stuff when making a statement like that, so that people don't think you're misinformed.

[ShadowForce]

On 4/4/2016 at 4:45 PM, kuddlesworth9419 said:

How do you supercharge an electric car. Or is it some stupid branding thing. Oh I see that's just really stupid. They need to change that.

In case anyone else also had the same question, Tesla supercharging is referring to their free* charging stations that can deliver much more current than a normal outlet in order to charge the vehicle's battery pack quickly, not a supercharger like you would see on a ICE. Supercharging is important because it is what makes a Tesla viable for travel. (Cross country in a Bolt would be... tricky)

 

*Free for Model S and X, probably won't be free for Model 3

[226477_1454181668]

On 3/31/2016 at 6:43 PM, dalekphalm said:

8:30 PM Pacific time? Damn. They're screwing over the central and eastern areas (Not to mention Europe lol but they always get screwed).

 

This will start at 11:30 PM EDT, for anyone wondering.

Yeah, pretty much. Wan show starts at almost 2am. 

[captain cactus]

18 hours ago, ShadowForce said:

In case anyone else also had the same question, Tesla supercharging is referring to their free* charging stations that can deliver much more current than a normal outlet in order to charge the vehicle's battery pack quickly, not a supercharger like you would see on a ICE. Supercharging is important because it is what makes a Tesla viable for travel. (Cross country in a Bolt would be... tricky)

 

*Free for Model S and X, probably won't be free for Model 3

Supercharging is included in every Model 3.

[Commander Llama]

Looks pretty. I wonder how it would handle Canadian winter, because that would be a deal-breaker for me.

 

As it stands I just bought a new car in 2013 so I won't be needing a new vehicle for a while, but 95% chance my next car will be electric. I'll get to see how all this pans out, and what kind of improvements come to the tech.

[Burusutazu]

2 hours ago, Commander Llama said:

Looks pretty. I wonder how it would handle Canadian winter, because that would be a deal-breaker for me.

 

As it stands I just bought a new car in 2013 so I won't be needing a new vehicle for a while, but 95% chance my next car will be electric. I'll get to see how all this pans out, and what kind of improvements come to the tech.

Tesla used to boast heavily that the low center of gravity was great on snow/ice even with rear wheel drive, and then they got 4 wheel drive on the S and it pretty much became a beast. Id expect the 3 to be great for its size, but there's no real way to know till the reviews start...

[Rakcom]

On 4/9/2016 at 3:48 PM, ShadowForce said:

In case anyone else also had the same question, Tesla supercharging is referring to their free* charging stations that can deliver much more current than a normal outlet in order to charge the vehicle's battery pack quickly, not a supercharger like you would see on a ICE. Supercharging is important because it is what makes a Tesla viable for travel. (Cross country in a Bolt would be... tricky)

 

*Free for Model S and X, probably won't be free for Model 3

Do not forget that the superchargers bypass the cars internal chargers and supply DC directly to their battery charge controller. If the superchargers were supplying AC current than the cars internal chargers would need to be bigger.

[ShadowCaptain]

On 09/04/2016 at 0:41 PM, patrick3027 said:

Why are people excited about this car? It's basically a Chevrolet Bolt that's hard to buy.

 

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/

 

Many many reasons

Looks really nice unlike most EVs, and is a nice saloon

Amazing performance

All the latest tech and gadgets

Awesome range
Always getting updated software

Supercharging

Its something new and exciting from a new brand on the market

 

The Chevy bolt is not available everywhere, looks a little meh too

[patrick3027]

3 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

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Looks really nice unlike most EVs, and is a nice saloon: Subjective

Amazing performance: Similar to the Chevrolet Bolt

All the latest tech and gadgets: Pretty vague, same could be said about the Chevrolet Bolt

Awesome range: Similar to the Chevrolet Bolt

Always getting updated software: Fair point

Supercharging: Fair point, but outside of the US the number of superchargers is actually pretty low, so it's not a deal breaker

Its something new and exciting from a new brand on the market: Subjective

 

The Chevy bolt is not available everywhere, looks a little meh too: The Tesla is also not available everywhere, Europe will have to wait several years before seeing it. Looks are, again, subjective.

 

[MrSuperb]

27 minutes ago, patrick3027 said:

Looks really nice unlike most EVs, and is a nice saloon: Subjective - *sigh* looks always are ... but than again most people would prefer the Model 3 design 

Amazing performance: Similar to the Chevrolet Bolt - the base model 3 performs better than the Bolt, an awd performance model most likely will crush it.

All the latest tech and gadgets: Pretty vague, same could be said about the Chevrolet Bolt - so the Bolt comes with autopilot features that gonna be updated/upgraded over its lifepsan?

Awesome range: Similar to the Chevrolet Bolt - again ... base model vs Bolt

Always getting updated software: Fair point

Supercharging: Fair point, but outside of the US the number of superchargers is actually pretty low, so it's not a deal breaker - low? dense enough for round trips already and there will come many more.

 

 

[patrick3027]

15 minutes ago, MrSuperb said:

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Yeah, well I prefer to go to the store and get my car immediately.

 

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Last we checked, the Model 3 reservation count was over 275,000 and steadily rising. While that sounds great, we should point out the automaker plans to produce between 80,000 and 90,000 cars this year. By the end of 2017, it will be juggling three models. In other words, those outside the first 100,000 in line are looking at 2019 by our best guess. On the other hand, the Chevy Bolt EV will be available by the end of 2016 and has no waiting list numbering in the hundreds of thousands.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/tesla-model-3-vs-chevy-bolt-ev-5-key-differences.html/?a=viewall

 

It's easier to beat a competitor if you launch your product (more than) a year later. That's like saying the Galaxy S8 will beat the crap out of the iPhone 7. It's just not relevant right now.

[dalekphalm]

6 hours ago, patrick3027 said:

Yeah, well I prefer to go to the store and get my car immediately.

 

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/tesla-model-3-vs-chevy-bolt-ev-5-key-differences.html/?a=viewall

 

It's easier to beat a competitor if you launch your product (more than) a year later. That's like saying the Galaxy S8 will beat the crap out of the iPhone 7. It's just not relevant right now.

To be fair, you haven't provided any evidence that the Bolt EV will actually be easier to obtain. No waiting line? So what? Lets say the cars are equally popular - you REALLY think that Chevy is gonna pump out over 200,000 of them in one year? I doubt it. The main difference is that you can reserve your spot in line with the Model 3, but with the Bolt EV, you just have to take your chances that you happen to arrive the day the dealer gets a new shipment - not to mention if they are really that hot, it doesn't stop the dealers from upping the price a bit extra (Remember, they're technically independent contractors/businesses) due to demand.

[patrick3027]

What I learned from the past 4 pages is that, no matter how good/early the Chevy Bolt might be, people are gonna buy the Tesla anyway because they buy the brand,  not the car.

Why will it be easier to buy the Bolt? Simply because no one is interested in one.

In the unlikely event that demand is higher than what Chevrolet expects (very unlikely, since Chevy's objective is that it will be the most popular EV ever ...), they have huge facilities and experience in churning out lots of cars, so they they will be able scale up their production a lot faster than Tesla.

EDIT: cheeky chart I found. Somehow Tesla managed to lose more money once they started selling cars.

 

 

(PS: the forum on mobile is still cancer, this is becoming unacceptable.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Burusutazu]

Until Tesla hits mass production they are an engineering sinkhole, all their money goes into development of the technology and ramping up production.

[dalekphalm]

5 hours ago, patrick3027 said:

What I learned from the past 4 pages is that, no matter how good/early the Chevy Bolt might be, people are gonna buy the Tesla anyway because they buy the brand,  not the car.

Why will it be easier to buy the Bolt? Simply because no one is interested in one.

In the unlikely event that demand is higher than what Chevrolet expects (very unlikely, since Chevy's objective is that it will be the most popular EV ever ...), they have huge facilities and experience in churning out lots of cars, so they they will be able scale up their production a lot faster than Tesla.

EDIT: cheeky chart I found. Somehow Tesla managed to lose more money once they started selling cars.

 

 

(PS: the forum on mobile is still cancer, this is becoming unacceptable.)

That loss was due to several factors: Mostly R&D into the Model X and the Model 3. I'd be more interested in seeing their profits in Q1 2017.

[Notree]

34 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

That loss was due to several factors: Mostly R&D into the Model X and the Model 3. I'd be more interested in seeing their profits in Q1 2017.

There also building a huge gigafactory that was 5 billion . 

 

5 hours ago, patrick3027 said:

 

EDIT: cheeky chart I found. Somehow Tesla managed to lose more money once they started selling cars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ShadowForce]

On 4/10/2016 at 8:55 AM, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Supercharging is included in every Model 3.

Yes, hardware capability, like autopilot hardware, will be standard. Whether or not using a supercharger is free for Model 3 owners is unspecified at this time. For example, all Model S60s were shipped with the hardware required for supercharging, but if you did not pay for the supercharging option when you ordered the car, you could order over the phone a $2500 upgrade to enable supercharging at any time - no shop visit required. It's not unreasonable to assume that a similar pricing scheme could be applied to Model 3, especially since the base price is much lower than Model S. (Also, one source claims to have contacted tesla and got confirmation of free supercharging for Model 3 still being decided.)