Palmer Lucky: Rift will come to Mac if Apple "ever release a good computer"

[Nena Trinity]

9 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

maybe, maybe not, have to consider also that for real mac it will be most definitely an eGPU, and that has is own set of problems, i mean only now Win is getting p&p drivers from both AMD and Nvidia, and before that it was quite a hurdle to set up on laptops specially if you wanted to use your laptop display instead of a secondary monitor

Yes that depends on OSX... (most likely you most use a monitor)

[MarcoR]

Glad to see that these kinds of threads are still so pleasant and decent in the discussion department. 

 

Palmer was referring strictly to the GPU department, but that doesn't make for a good sensationalist headline. A vast majority of Apples products do not have GPU grunt the way gamers want them to have it. Why? Cause most consumers, Windows or OSX, DO NOT GIVE A DAMN about it. The most intense thing they might ever do is 4K YouTube videos. Hell, a lot of popular games like DOTA or CSGO are so laughable on the graphics requirements, you don't need a powerhouse to run them. 

 

Apple doesn't skimp anywhere else, mostly. Battery life? Top of the class. Displays? Top of class. Trackpad? Embarrassingly top of class. Chassis and build? Need I repeat myself? 

 

If you spec your 'average' XPS, Asus, MSI or anything else? Any laptop that matches the Apple equivalent in specs and build? You'll be paying through the nose as well. Spec lists aren't everything when it comes to a laptop purchase for a lot of people. Its the whole package. My rMBP comes to party with a 1TB SSD pushing over 1gbps in speeds, 8+ hour battery life and one of the best displays on the market which is great for OTG editing and colour work when Im away from my powerhouse of a desktop. Any Windows equivalent will cost the same, have similar specs, and maybe come with a better GPU (or maybe not). I didn't buy this for gaming. I don't know anyone who really does. 

 

 

[Valentyn]

4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

cause now seems like Nvidia is releasing some drvers for hackintosh users, something i didn'y have bact then

http://www.tonymacx86.com/graphics/167229-nvidia-releases-alternate-graphics-drivers-10-10-4-346-01-03-346-02-02-a.html

 

4 hours ago, Nena360 said:

Those drivers should then work for a real Mac to then?

They do, NVIDIA have been releasing drivers for OSX since the GTX 500 series.

Hell even Apple bake in NVIDIA driver support into the OS. Even the 9xx series from NV is supported via their own drivers ( which launched 2 months after the cards hits stores ), and up to the 7xx series is support directly inside OS X itself without the need of NV's own drivers.

I upgraded my old 2010 Mac Pro a few times, first the CPU from a Quad core 2.26Ghz to the 3.33Ghz 6 core ( W3680), then RAM, PCIe SSD, graphics card to the GTX 660, and then later to the Titan. It lasted a long time before I sold it off. The hardest thing to upgrade with the CPU as it was harder to get that massive headsink off than plop a new GPU in.

What's interesting to me is that the Oculus dev kits all supported OS X, but the full release does not. Guess the new minimum requirements are just too high.

[Orangeator]

2 hours ago, MarcoR said:

Apple doesn't skimp anywhere else, mostly. Battery life? Top of the class. Displays? Top of class. Trackpad? Embarrassingly top of class. Chassis and build? Need I repeat myself? 

False, false, false, and what was a saying, oh right, false. There are laptops with better battery life then Mac's, there are displays that are better then Apples displays (also preference) there are much better track pads then Apples (honestly this all comes down to personal opinion so this cannot be argued, just like saying one mouse is better then all the others, that is an opinion and cannot be proven due to the fact that everyone has a preference), and brushed aluminum does not mean top of class chassis and build. There are laptops and PC's that look and are of better build quality then Apples machines by a mile. Again, that cannot be proven either as this comes down to preference. So three of the four things you have said are opinionated and cannot be proven as they come down to preference, and the other is false. Also only reason their battery life is OKAY'ISH is because they throttle their CPU which cuts performance.

 

Also the only thing that truly matters is the performance of the machine which Apple gets its apples handed to it.

2 hours ago, MarcoR said:

Any laptop that matches the Apple equivalent in specs and build? You'll be paying through the nose as well.

What the hell you are so wrong I cannot even begin on this.

 

2 hours ago, MarcoR said:

Palmer was referring strictly to the GPU department, but that doesn't make for a good sensationalist headline. A vast majority of Apples products do not have GPU grunt the way gamers want them to have it. Why? Cause most consumers, Windows or OSX, DO NOT GIVE A DAMN about it. The most intense thing they might ever do is 4K YouTube videos. Hell, a lot of popular games like DOTA or CSGO are so laughable on the graphics requirements, you don't need a powerhouse to run them. 

Yet Apple still charges sky high prices, even without the most expensive component.

 

If you have anymore outrageous lies, please post them. I will be here all day to disprove them. Also when I say there are better displays, I mean better in refresh rates, color accuracy, and response times.

[Stuff_]

It's obvious Apple does not focus the gamer. 

I don't understand how some of you (Apple haters) don't seem to understand that.

 

 

[Master Disaster]

4 hours ago, Stuff_ said:

It's obvious Apple does not focus the gamer. 

I don't understand how some of you (Apple haters) don't seem to understand that.

 

 

We do understand it, what's baffling is you defenders don't seem to get what we are saying here, they skimp out on the most expensive component in the machine yet still charge you the same as a machine that doesn't.

 

I'd have zero issues with them if they didn't charge £2,300 for a laptop with a R9 270M in it, £100 for a thunderbolt to xxxx cable so you can attach anything to your £2,300 laptop, £600 for a 16GB RAM upgrade and £400 for a 256GB SSD upgrade. Oh and remember, you'll need multiple £100 thunderbolt to xxxx cables as they don't even allow one cable to handle multiple bus types.

 

If you guys want a laptop that prioritises form over function then fine, that's your choice and I respect that but please don't sit there trying to defend Apples crazy pricing because frankly, you just look like idiots when you do that.

[LukeTim]

If Apple ever sees any value in Palmer Lucky's gimmicky waste of time device (that still needs to prove its self in the consumer market) then perhaps they will release a computer capable of supporting it.

 

I think it's a pretty undiplomatic comment from him and a really stupid thing to say.

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, LukeTim said:

If Apple ever sees any value in Palmer Lucky's gimmicky waste of time device (that still needs to prove its self in the consumer market) then perhaps they will release a computer capable of supporting it.

 

I think it's a pretty undiplomatic comment from him and a really stupid thing to say.

Coming from a guy making an undiplomatic and really stupid comment.

[Sakkura]

16 hours ago, Implosivetech said:

OK. Hold your horses. What hapened to all of the talk that I heard of saying that the Oculus Rift will be $1500? At least thats what I heard.

 

Source:

 

http://www.eweek.com/mobile/oculus-founder-disses-apple-over-power-of-its-computers-to-run-vr.html

That's $1500 for an Oculus Rift AND a prebuilt gaming PC to run it. The Rift itself costs $600, and that's higher than what Oculus had been talking about earlier. They originally said they'd aim for $200-400, then they were saying $350, and then half a year ago Palmer Luckey said it would be in that ballpark, but higher. After the internet exploded about $600 being "in the ballpark" of $350, he apologized for describing it that way.

[Orangeator]

3 hours ago, LukeTim said:

If Apple ever sees any value in Palmer Lucky's gimmicky waste of time device (that still needs to prove its self in the consumer market) then perhaps they will release a computer capable of supporting it.

 

I think it's a pretty undiplomatic comment from him and a really stupid thing to say.

Sorry but who cares exactly? He told the 100% truth. Undiplomatic, he is the owner of a company, not an ambassador. Stop with this politically correct culture my God. Who cares, get on to him if he says something that isn't true, not when he tells the ugly truth.

[Stuff_]

10 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

We do understand it, what's baffling is you defenders don't seem to get what we are saying here, they skimp out on the most expensive component in the machine yet still charge you the same as a machine that doesn't.

 

I'd have zero issues with them if they didn't charge £2,300 for a laptop with a R9 270M in it, £100 for a thunderbolt to xxxx cable so you can attach anything to your £2,300 laptop, £600 for a 16GB RAM upgrade and £400 for a 256GB SSD upgrade. Oh and remember, you'll need multiple £100 thunderbolt to xxxx cables as they don't even allow one cable to handle multiple bus types.

 

If you guys want a laptop that prioritises form over function then fine, that's your choice and I respect that but please don't sit there trying to defend Apples crazy pricing because frankly, you just look like idiots when you do that.

The point of an Apple machine is NOT the components. It's moreso of the overall undeniably perfect build quality, accompanied with optimized hardware.

 

SO what you have is a very superb system with rarely any software related issues, but would obviously suffer from any HW related issues any other PC could. 

 

However, their customer service is beyond any other laptop manufacturer, and is generally zero headaches. 

 

What you need to do is open your mind a little, and look at it from the perspective of somebody that simply doesn't care about the price of the product. Rather, they care about how easy it is to be replaced or services (if need so) and the convenience of having an Apple store in every mall. There is some security that sits with the Apple brand when you purchase their product. 

 

One major thing I hope you learn from this:
MANY people in this world do NOT care about the price of something. If they believe it will outlast, and outperform (for their very needs) the alternatives, then they will rationally choose the one they want most.

In that case, plenty of people will chose an Apple computer because:

1) They do not play games

2) They have plenty of money to buy it. 

 

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Stuff_ said:

The point of an Apple machine is NOT the components. It's moreso of the overall undeniably perfect build quality, accompanied with optimized hardware.

 

SO what you have is a very superb system with rarely any software related issues, but would obviously suffer from any HW related issues any other PC could. 

 

However, their customer service is beyond any other laptop manufacturer, and is generally zero headaches. 

 

What you need to do is open your mind a little, and look at it from the perspective of somebody that simply doesn't care about the price of the product. Rather, they care about how easy it is to be replaced or services (if need so) and the convenience of having an Apple store in every mall. There is some security that sits with the Apple brand when you purchase their product. 

 

One major thing I hope you learn from this:
MANY people in this world do NOT care about the price of something. If they believe it will outlast, and outperform (for their very needs) the alternatives, then they will rationally choose the one they want most.

In that case, plenty of people will chose an Apple computer because:

1) They do not play games

2) They have plenty of money to buy it. 

 

All good points but remember, I'm not bashing the people who buy Apples or even the hardware itself, I'm bashing Apples silly pricing. Just because some people don't care how much an Apple costs doesn't justify legal robbery, which is what they're doing.

 

Clarkson always used to say "Porsche have perfected the art of giving the customer less and charging them more for the privilege" well I'm sorry but Apple make Porsche look like college students in that regard. I won't repeat myself, I've already pointed out multiple reasons why Apple are bending customers over and bumming them, incredibly hard.

 

If I'm honest, I actually prefer Mac OS over Windows and Macs are not bad machines, they're just hugely overpriced for what you get in return.

[Stuff_]

25 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

All good points but remember, I'm not bashing the people who buy Apples or even the hardware itself, I'm bashing Apples silly pricing. Just because some people don't care how much an Apple costs doesn't justify legal robbery, which is what they're doing.

 

Clarkson always used to say "Porsche have perfected the art of giving the customer less and charging them more for the privilege" well I'm sorry but Apple make Porsche look like college students in that regard. I won't repeat myself, I've already pointed out multiple reasons why Apple are bending customers over and bumming them, incredibly hard.

 

If I'm honest, I actually prefer Mac OS over Windows and Macs are not bad machines, they're just hugely overpriced for what you get in return.

And I've pointed out reasons to refute your argument. Mainly, the customer doesn't see it the same way you do. Your way isn't the only way. For many customers, a $1100 Macbook Pro is neither a bad purchase, nor an expensive one. Mainly, they do not care about the internal specs whatsoever, except maybe the HDD/SSD storage size, and POSSIBLY the processor type.

 

 

[Orangeator]

7 minutes ago, Stuff_ said:

And I've pointed out reasons to refute your argument. Mainly, the customer doesn't see it the same way you do. Your way isn't the only way. For many customers, a $1100 Macbook Pro is neither a bad purchase, nor an expensive one. Mainly, they do not care about the internal specs whatsoever, except maybe the HDD/SSD storage size, and POSSIBLY the processor type.

 

 

Let me refute, the reason the customers go with them is because there is the false sense of perfection of the Apple products. Most that don't know much about electronics just get them and think the price is justified because it is "premium". It is there ignorance and stupidity that leads them to buy 400% marked up items. Their lack of knowledge is what leads them to buy into Apples elite marketing. Any one with the level of understanding of the price and what/how parts do/work in a computer as me, would never buy an Apple because me and people with my knowledge of Apple products know they are a scam. Apples ad budget is more then one billion dollars. You are not buying a good quality product (there are other companies with better build quality, which costs less then Apple) with substantial support (there are other brands with better support/warranties that are less time consuming, which costs less then Apple) for 4x the cost to make it, you are buying an ad.

 

Stop defending Apple, facts are facts. The facts are Apple overcharges for its products with nothing to justify its costs but its name brand.

[Master Disaster]

15 minutes ago, Stuff_ said:

And I've pointed out reasons to refute your argument. Mainly, the customer doesn't see it the same way you do. Your way isn't the only way. For many customers, a $1100 Macbook Pro is neither a bad purchase, nor an expensive one. Mainly, they do not care about the internal specs whatsoever, except maybe the HDD/SSD storage size, and POSSIBLY the processor type.

 

 

Fine, but £600 for a RAM upgrade from 16GB to 32GB, £400 for an SSD upgrade from 256GB to 512GB and thunderbolt cables which cost £50 each and ARE REQUIRED if you wanna connect other stuff to your laptop.

 

Like I said, Legal Robbery.

[Stuff_]

6 minutes ago, Orangeator said:

Most that don't know much about electronics just get them and think the price is justified because it is "premium".  Any one with the level of understanding of the price and what/how parts do/work in a computer as me, would never buy an Apple because me and people with my knowledge of Apple products know they are a scam. 

 

This is not something that is limited to Apple products. Generally speaking, the MAJORITY of consumers have absolutely no clue what makes a computer good" or "bad." So, they rely on the brand. 

 

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You are not buying a good quality product (there are other companies with better build quality, which costs less then Apple) with substantial support (there are other brands with better support/warranties that are less time consuming, which costs less then Apple)

I'd appreciate you to name some. As I understand it, Dell, HP, Acer, etc all have absolutely horrible customer support. And generally it's annoying. (Please do not list Asus, Razer, MSI or any gaming laptop. Those are irrelevant in the regular consumer purchases). 

 

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Stop defending Apple, facts are facts. The facts are Apple overcharges for its products with nothing to justify its costs but its name brand.

Apple prices their products however they want. Overcharging is subjective, because that is saying that you simply care about the price. As I've said, it's clear that those that purchase an Apple product do not care about the pricing. People in this world generally make a decent living, contrary to what the media and world likes to make you believe. And a $1000 laptop is not a lot of money whatsoever, considering you are buying a laptop once every 4-5 years or so.

 

I'm not defending laptop. I'm taking a unbiased, neutral stance. Clearly I don't own a single Apple product, otherwise my avatar would be an Apple, not an Android. 

[Stuff_]

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Fine, but £600 for a RAM upgrade from 16GB to 32GB, £400 for an SSD upgrade from 256GB to 512GB and thunderbolt cables which cost £50 each and ARE REQUIRED if you wanna connect other stuff to your laptop.

 

Like I said, Legal Robbery.

Why would you ever want 32GB of ram? I'm talking about a normal consumer, not someone that actually needs that. 8GB of ram, heck maybe even 4GB of ram, is still fine on a Macbook pro. 

 

 

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, Stuff_ said:

Why would you ever want 32GB of ram? I'm talking about a normal consumer, not someone that actually needs that. 8GB of ram, heck maybe even 4GB of ram, is still fine on a Macbook pro. 

 

 

That's not the point though, they're selling something that costs them £150 maximum for £600!!!

 

400% markup.

[Stuff_]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

That's not the point though, they're selling something that costs them £150 maximum for £600!!!

 

400% markup.

And the company is 100% legally allowed to do that. I disagree with saying it's any form of legal robbery. But obviously you don't live in the United States, whereas I do. So we absolutely have different views on capitalism.

 

 

[Master Disaster]

Just now, Stuff_ said:

And the company is 100% legally allowed to do that. I disagree with saying it's any form of legal robbery. But obviously you don't like in the United States, whereas I do. So we absolutely have different views on capitalism.

 

 

Hence why I called it legal robbery, having opposing or even differening views on a topic doesn't change one simply thing...

 

Just because they can doesn't mean its right that they do.

[Stuff_]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

Hence why I called it legal robbery, having opposing or even differening views on a topic doesn't change one simply thing...

 

Just because they can doesn't mean its right that they do.

Oh come on. You simply refuse to understand it from a different aspect. I think it's well within Apple, and any businesses right to price their products however they want. (As long as they aren't violating any monopolistic laws, and such).

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Stuff_ said:

Oh come on. You simply refuse to understand it from a different aspect. I think it's well within Apple, and any businesses right to price their products however they want. (As long as they aren't violating any monopolistic laws, and such).

Its not that I refuse to understand it, its that I don't understand how anybody can think its acceptable.

 

I understand why Apple do it, I don't know why anybody would actually pay it?

[Stuff_]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Its not that I refuse to understand it, its that I don't understand how anybody can think its acceptable.

 

I understand why Apple do it, I don't know why anybody would actually pay it?

I've already said why. Money is not the actual motivator for the purchase. That is, the idea that you're getting a product that is not going to break, fall apart, and have you regretting it like many many many other laptops out there. The Apple laptop is essentially a safe pick, you know the quality and precisely what you're getting.

 

I purchase the Lenovo Y50, and about 2-3 months later I entirely regretted it. The matte material on it faded very quickly, the battery life was sub-par, the trackpad was 100% useless (basically forced to use a mouse) and the display was not very good. That laptop was $1300, and included an i7, 16GB of ram, GTX 860m, and a 256GB SSD. Even with all of that, it was not enough to overcome the awful build quality of that laptop.

 

If I purchased a Macbook Pro for equal price, I can say for certainty that I would have been fine with my purchase. Could I play games? No. But I would not open the laptop and just feel like "damn this is a piece of shit in disguise." 

My situation is very relevant to many laptop models. There are very few Windows-based laptops that are guaranteed a great build quality. 

However, an Apple is practically guaranteed a great build quality.

 

 

I've said all I need to say to get my point across.

 

As far as the OP, and point of this topic, I stand with my point that I doubt Apple will ever care that VR will be missing from their computers. If anything, they might develop their own optimized VR experience. 

 

 

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, Stuff_ said:

I've already said why. Money is not the actual motivator for the purchase. That is, the idea that you're getting a product that is not going to break, fall apart, and have you regretting it like many many many other laptops out there. The Apple laptop is essentially a safe pick, you know the quality and precisely what you're getting.

 

I purchase the Lenovo Y50, and about 2-3 months later I entirely regretted it. The matte material on it faded very quickly, the battery life was sub-par, the trackpad was 100% useless (basically forced to use a mouse) and the display was not very good. That laptop was $1300, and included an i7, 16GB of ram, GTX 860m, and a 256GB SSD. Even with all of that, it was not enough to overcome the awful build quality of that laptop.

 

If I purchased a Macbook Pro for equal price, I can say for certainty that I would have been fine with my purchase. Could I play games? No. But I would not open the laptop and just feel like "damn this is a piece of shit in disguise." 

My situation is very relevant to many laptop models. There are very few Windows-based laptops that are guaranteed a great build quality. 

However, an Apple is practically guaranteed a great build quality.

 

 

I've said all I need to say to get my point across.

 

As far as the OP, and point of this topic, I stand with my point that I doubt Apple will ever care that VR will be missing from their computers. If anything, they might develop their own optimized VR experience. 

 

 

Yeah, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Its been nice discussing different opinions with someone without it descending into a flame war though

[Fgtfv567]

On 3/5/2016 at 11:38 PM, Lethal Seraph said:

Pretty ballsy if you were to turndown a big market like that, who knows Apple might be working on their own VR module... I meant if they release an iVR that can run on a toaster with ease, how much more it'll perform on a PC. 

If Apple made their own VR headset to work on the desktops and laptops that aren't powerful enough to drive the rift, they HAVE to sacrifice something. I think the only way to build a VR headset that works on such poor GPUs would be to lower the resolution. And I've tried a Gear VR headset with an S7 in it. Believe me I can notice each pixel from one another. So for Apple to release a VR headset with an even lower resolution would make the screen look absolutely terrible. Not to mention the thermal throttling will make things even worse