New Tomb Raider is Unoptimized at Best

[afyeung]

 

 

 

Yeah. Well not everybody wants to use Windows 7 just to play a game. And not everybody wants to purchase a $600 graphics card just to play a game at 1080p... 1080p, really? And no, not even the 970 and 390 can run this game at high settings and get playable framerates. You need to turn the settings down to console quality. Not to mention Windows 10 was supposed to be a GOOD thing for gamers because of DX12. Here's the actual performance vid 

[EscalatorBoy]

Should I expect comparable performance to the first game? I can run it okay on my laptop with an 870m on Windows 10 (60fps on high-mediumish settings), but haven't gotten that far into it.

[LokiFire]

Oh fuck me they just go and ruin every fucking franchise i really like, RIP TR 1996-2013

[afyeung]

Should I expect comparable performance to the first game? I can run it okay on my laptop with an 870m on Windows 10 (60fps on high-mediumish settings), but haven't gotten that far into it.

No. It's unoptimized. It'll run poorly on your system. 

[MEC-777]

About to fire up this game in a bout an hour or so. Will see how an i5 + 980 handles it. Game-ready drivers installed yesterday (I love Nvidia drivers, didn't even require a restart after updating ). 

[MEC-777]

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[afyeung]

It doesn't look to bad in this review from Digital Foundry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHhPOvlnLGM

Oh really now?

[pedro69]

Oh really now?

How does this video proof that it isn't optimized?

[afyeung]

How does this video proof that it isn't optimized?

Looks like you didn't watch the video. 

[afyeung]

How does this video proof that it isn't optimized?

The one you linked before was just a graphics comparison. This is an actual performance vid. There is huge fps drops and stuttering if you watch it, the stuttering is mostly the R9 390 though with frame times as high as 70ms (14 FPS). 

[Macko939]

A little offtopic but anyone else is bothered by the fact that tomb raider is just an another action-pseudo-rpg?

 

The thing about old tomb raiders that I loved the most was the fact that I'd just run around a freaking jungle or something like that and explore actual tombs, getting artefacts and stuff.

 

In the new series half of the time you're shooting russians in villages and crafting/upgrading perks

 

ehh

[pedro69]

Looks like you didn't watch the video. 

 

The one you linked before was just a graphics comparison. This is an actual performance vid. There is huge fps drops and stuttering if you watch it, the stuttering is mostly the R9 390 though with frame times as high as 70ms (14 FPS). 

So instead of blaming AMD for not having optimized drivers ready you blame the game. Great logic you got there.

[afyeung]

So instead of blaming AMD for not having optimized drivers ready you blame the game. Great logic you got there.

Why are you attacking me when you are too ignorant to even watch the video for yourself and listen what they have to say? Wow. Issues are on BOTH the Nvidia and AMD side. If you listen to them, they say specifically in the beginning that the 970 wins in less intense scenes while the 390 wins in scenes with a lot of debris and explosion. Both cards have FPS drops and don't perform as well as they should. And this is with the latest Nvidia drivers. The reason why the 390 wins when there's a lot of explosions probably has to do with Async compute. But they both win and lose rounds. 

[MEC-777]

Ok, just tested the game out for a while. Runs totally fine on my 980 @1080p everything maxed (including pure hair) and FXAA (SMAA looks terrible). Solid 60fps. I would say it's optimized just fine. Don't know what everyone is complaining about. 

 

It looks "very good" in terms of graphics, but nothing mind-blowing. Definitely a step up from the previous game. 

[WynLore]

It's a shame. The last one performs well on pretty much everything. Hopefully it improves quickly. 

When 8-way SLI becomes a thing (like, not just possible, but normal for guys who can afford it), I'm thinking of that game being able to hit a crapton of FPS on... I dunno, 8K resolution or more? Point is, that game was well optimized (dunno if its well optimized from the get-go or well optimized through patches over time). I have no idea what happened with the new tomb raider game. Maybe they're gonna patch it later on (which I think is still an annoying practice done by nearly every dev team and/or publishers with their devs) and hopefully it won't run as bad as that. 

I mean, game development over the years have been fucked harshly in all three holes (by holes I mean... if game development is a human body, there's three holes to shove things in. And yes, I mean that on BOTH genders [*cough*donger's have holes, too*cough*based on what a friend described to me what it'd be like to shove a toothpick inside the donger hole*cough*]), with the three holes representing questions:

1.) Are the devs gonna give enough of a damn about it?

2.) Are the publishers gonna give enough of a damn about it?

3.) Are the devs and/or publishers gonna make decent contact with the likes of AMD, Nvidia, and ARM (if you wanna count ARM in)?

Welp... based on that... uhm... its rare to see a game developed without one of those holes fucked. And even then, if a game was in development WHILE one or all of its holes are fucked, its still a toss up if the game comes out as a perfectly healthy infant or sickly. I mean, MGSV:TPP in development had one of its holes fucked (Kojima could prolly tell us about it), but it came out without that much kinks to worry about. Then there's Witcher 3 that has a fair lot of bugs that can be annoying, but it won GOTY (if I remember correctly). Then there's the new Tomb Raider... which I dunno why it kinda fucked up.

[afyeung]

Ok, just tested the game out for a while. Runs totally fine on my 980 @1080p everything maxed (including pure hair) and FXAA (SMAA looks terrible). Solid 60fps. I would say it's optimized just fine. Don't know what everyone is complaining about. 

 

It looks "very good" in terms of graphics, but nothing mind-blowing. Definitely a step up from the previous game. 

Are you using windows 7?

[pedro69]

Why are you attacking me when you are too ignorant to even watch the video for yourself and listen what they have to say? Wow. Issues are on BOTH the Nvidia and AMD side. If you listen to them, they say specifically in the beginning that the 970 wins in less intense scenes while the 390 wins in scenes with a lot of debris and explosion. Both cards have FPS drops and don't perform as well as they should. And this is with the latest Nvidia drivers. The reason why the 390 wins when there's a lot of explosions probably has to do with Async compute. But they both win and lose rounds. 

 

[MEC-777]

Are you using windows 7?

 

Windows 10.

[afyeung]

 

He has a Titan X and digital Foundry compared 3 cards plus different settings. I think it will definitely get better. But as of now you need to have a pretty beefy system to get 60fps at 1080p consistently. Not saying it won't get there. But it won't stay there. I'm only saying what digital foundry has reported who is extremely reputable for in depth performance vids

[WynLore]

Two Titan X's on 1080p can only run THAT much FPS? Uhm... WHAT? That doesn't make any sense unless the engine it uses is something as taxing as the ones on Crysis 3 and Witcher 3. That doesn't seem that well optimized...

[WynLore]

He has a Titan X and digital Foundry compared 3 cards plus different settings. I think it will definitely get better. But as of now you need to have a pretty beefy system to get 60fps at 1080p consistently. Not saying it won't get there. But it won't stay there. I'm only saying what digital foundry has reported who is extremely reputable for in depth performance vids

He actually has TWO Titan X's (check his "about" tab in his YouTube channel). That much FPS on TWO TITAN X'S AT 1080P! THAT ALONE speaks volumes, atleast to me, in terms of what kind of shit the developers have been doing with the game (can range from not giving much of a fuck when porting it to not getting adequate-enough contact with AMD and Nvidia to make sure it doesn't run like ass).

[don_svetlio]

He has a Titan X and digital Foundry compared 3 cards plus different settings. I think it will definitely get better. But as of now you need to have a pretty beefy system to get 60fps at 1080p consistently. Not saying it won't get there. But it won't stay there. I'm only saying what digital foundry has reported who is extremely reputable for in depth performance vids

I'll report on 860M performance at some point. Hoping for medium 45fps

[Hunched]

I'm just disappointed that it's 2016 and people are surprised this happened.

How many times does this have to happen until people realize this is common as fuck now?

 

The second a game is revealed to have Denuvo there's a huge chance it's going to be a steaming pile of shit, just look at the titles with Denuvo.

Seems devs who have shoddy products are most likely to incorporate it, because they know nobody is going to pay for that shit.

 

"Instead of fixing our game so people actually buy it, lets not fix it and make it difficult to pirate so nobody can steal it" - lots of AAA dev mentalities these days

 

Every time I see Denuvo it's about the biggest red flag a dev can put up. Basically announcing they've fucked something up and don't care to fix it.

[afyeung]

He actually has TWO Titan X's (check his "about" tab in his YouTube channel). That much FPS on TWO TITAN X'S AT 1080P! THAT ALONE speaks volumes, atleast to me, in terms of what kind of shit the developers have been doing with the game (can range from not giving much of a fuck when porting it to not getting adequate-enough contact with AMD and Nvidia to make sure it doesn't run like ass).

Actually. That's another issue. SLI scales like crap when it's an Nvidia game. The fps was fine, unoptimized means when the FPS is all over the place for no good reason which is what digital foundry reported

[Drunken Savior]

The second a game is revealed to have Denuvo there's a huge chance it's going to be a steaming pile of shit, just look at the titles with Denuvo.

 

MGSV, Mad Max, and Battlefront all run fine and are well optimized and use Denuvo anti-tampering.  I bet if Arkham Knight didn't have Denuvo, it'd still be an unoptimized pile of crud.