2016 presidential election

[CalebTheEternal]

I was referring to Clinton with lying, you know the whole email server deal?

As for Trump, he complains about Muslims/Hispanics to much. He needs to realize they are American citizens and deserve to be treated as such. However at the same time keeping illegals out is pretty important in my opinion, but the wall is just plain insane.

One of the few points I agree with Sanders (please note I haven't researched much) is that he doesn't want to take guns away, however I don't like the Socialism aspect of him. He does seem like a nice guy but he wouldn't get my vote. Anyways if that wasn't clear I live in an area where guns are important and as such I believe they need to be legal.

I don't trust Clinton either. How can you trust someone as president who can't even use a protected email for classified information? I don't believe Sanders isn't going to try to do anything with guns. Politicians do anything for votes.

[ZetZet]

Europeans side with the people who speak their language (in terms of politics,) same as anywhere else. Except in Europe it's more of a circlejerk of preaching to the crowd. 

so they please the crowd, that's the fucking point?

[Real_PhillBert]

No, there are people fighting to have AK-47s, M16s, and other rifles like that for home use.  I don't get the point, but ya soldiers use them too.  However, there are people wanting to have automatics guns that are so huge that they require a turret due to the weight at home.  I don't get why one would need that much fire power for personal use like that.  We aren't talking about soldiers, but like say your neighbor wants one...that's what we're talking about.

I don't think many people, or anyone for that matter, can own that.

I haven't seen one person ever in my lifetime fighting to legislate the legalization of automatic firearms to the regular consumer. Maybe that's just me. 

 

Europeans side with the people who speak their language (in terms of politics,) same as anywhere else. Except in Europe it's more of a circlejerk of preaching to the crowd. 

 

I just want to clear up one thing about firearms in the US.

 

Automatic firearms are LEGAL in the US. However they are regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) and there has been a ban on new manufacture since 1986 under the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA). Because of FOPA the price of the already registered machine guns is outlandishly high. 

 

Long story short, US citizen willing to go through the paperwork, jump through the hoops, pay the tax for a stamp, pay the incredible premium for a full auto firearm (Mac-11's are about the cheapest at ~ $10,000), and pass a federal background check, CAN OWN machine guns.  

 

I think you guys might be confusing automatic firearms with semi-automatic firearms as well. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

[Guest Generallee]

It doesn't though.

 

Trump vs Putin

 

Now that's something i wanna see

[Guest Generallee]

I just want to clear up one thing about firearms in the US.

 

Automatic firearms are LEGAL in the US. However they are regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) and there has been a ban on new manufacture since 1986 under the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA). Because of FOPA the price of the already registered machine guns is outlandishly high. 

 

Long story short, US citizen willing to go through the paperwork, jump through the hoops, pay the tax for a stamp, pay the incredible premium for a full auto firearm (Mac-11's are about the cheapest at ~ $10,000), and pass a federal background check, CAN OWN machine guns.  

 

I think you guys might be confusing automatic firearms with semi-automatic firearms as well. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

 

The very possibility of owning a firearm is what is wrong with america, keep living in the 1800's 

[Kobathor]

I just want to clear up one thing about firearms in the US.

 

You should have read my other posts, not just that one. I already knew everything you just told me. 

 

+1 either way. 

[Kobathor]

The very possibility of owning a firearm is what is wrong with america, keep living in the 1800's 

If you don't have anything to add, just go away. You (obviously) don't know what you're talking about, so I wouldn't start and argument. 

[Real_PhillBert]

You should have read my other posts, not just that one. I already knew everything you just told me. 

 

I have read the entire thread. If you already knew the info, great! Others may not have, and it is important when discussing matters like this with people from outside the country, to make sure they fully understand as well. 

[Real_PhillBert]

The very possibility of owning a firearm is what is wrong with america, keep living in the 1800's 

 

Your opinion is noted. 

[Guest Generallee]

If you don't have anything to add, just go away. You (obviously) don't know what you're talking about, so I wouldn't start and argument. 

 

I have something to add, if you support firearms then you shouldn't even exist in this day and age, America is a violent country with a violent history and your firearms are the only thing you care about because pew pew pew pew

 

2016 still owning a firearm like some sort of uncivilized brethren, kek

 

Peace m9

[cae]

You don't want full auto anyway!

 

 

[Kobathor]

I have something to add, if you support firearms then you shouldn't even exist in this day and age, America is a violent country with a violent history and your firearms are the only thing you care about because pew pew pew pew

 

2016 still owning a firearm like some sort of uncivilized brethren, kek

 

Peace m9

trolls get banned before 1,700 posts last I checked. 

 

Oops, babadoctor. 

[Guest Generallee]

trolls get banned before 1,700 posts last I checked. 

 

Oops, babadoctor. 

 

he annoyed me so i want him to get baaaanned boohooo call babadoctor 

 

This is off topic m8, my "trolling" if you want to call it like that,is still an opinion

 

I hope your guns get banned instead 

[Kobathor]

he annoyed me so i want him to get baaaanned boohooo call babadoctor 

 

This is off topic m8, my "trolling" if you want to call it like that,is still an opinion

 

I hope your guns get banned instead 

Babadoctor is a funny troll, at least.

[stconquest]

It is funny how people that have no understanding of economics or policy degrade and berate others for not having knowledge of either.  99% of this thread is pure crap.  I'll just say it, most of you are not ready to be part of ANY political system.  You were just born into it.  You are like... what do they call them...

 

Anchor babies?

 

Pretty disgusting.

 

Opinions everywhere, facts... somewhere lost to this thread.

 

Funny how some of you think a candidate will "fix" your economic/social situation.  This ain't going to happen.  The very least you can do is talk real policy.  ...maybe try to work your way to discussing who the decent human beings in the run for the presidency are:  Something of value.  No matter who gets elected, money rules.  So try to pick someone that isn't a piece of shit excuse for a life form.

 

Almost forgot:  

[Stuff_]

Yeah, the president actually doesn't have all control and power as some thing. 

Even the parties don't have much power. There are a small group of world elitists that definitely control the US government.

 

No matter who we get, nothing will really change. 

[heathd]

We're knee deep in debt and we have candidates arguing about social programs. Neither side is willing to state what actually needs to be done in order to fix it, which is cuts to departments and programs that both political spectrums hold dear.

Hopefully the peasants continue to bicker among themselves, so they can continue to rape and pillage our future.

[stconquest]

Yeah, the president actually doesn't have all control and power as some thing. 

Even the parties don't have much power. There are a small group of world elitists that definitely control the US government.

 

No matter who we get, nothing will really change. 

 

Not true.  Look at the shitstorm G.W.B. started.  He took the world to a new level of shit.  He did not have to be complaisant, but he was.  Just a talking head in a burning world.

[Real_PhillBert]

Yeah, the president actually doesn't have all control and power as some thing. 

Even the parties don't have much power. There are a small group of world elitists that definitely control the US government.

 

No matter who we get, nothing will really change. 

 

One of the big powers the presidency has that will last much longer than their term is the power to appoint judges to the supreme court. And it looks like the next president will likely get to appoint two of them. 

[Stuff_]

Not true.  Look at the shitstorm G.W.B. started.  He took the world to a new level of shit.  He did not have to be complaisant, but he was.  Just a talking head in a burning world.

It wasn't his shit storm. There were greater powers behind him, mainly for the oil. 

[Real_PhillBert]

I'm mostly talking about automatic and semi-automatic.  I don't get the point of anyone needing either of those for personal use.  The NRA being the NRA wants them though.

 

Automatic is a machine gun according to the BATFE. 

[stconquest]

It wasn't his shit storm. There were greater powers behind him, mainly for the oil. 

 

He was a spokesman.  He did the most he could do to fuck the dog's ass some more after all the money fucked it.  Just in case you don't understand my crudeness, we are the dogs ass.  :lol:

[TheGhzGuy]

It is funny how people that have no understanding of economics or policy degrade and berate others for not having knowledge of either. 99% of this thread is pure crap. I'll just say it, most of you are not ready to be part of ANY political system. You were just born into it. You are like... what do they call them...

Anchor babies?

Pretty disgusting.

Opinions everywhere, facts... somewhere lost to this thread.

Funny how some of you think a candidate will "fix" your economic/social situation. This ain't going to happen. The very least you can do is talk real policy. ...maybe try to work your way to discussing who the decent human beings in the run for the presidency are: Something of value. No matter who gets elected, money rules. So try to pick someone that isn't a piece of shit excuse for a life form.

Almost forgot:

Real policy such as? (I love specifics, so thats why I ask)

[Stuff_]

He was a spokesman.  He did the most he could do to fuck the dog's ass some more after all the money fucked it.  Just in case you don't understand my crudeness, we are the dogs ass.  :lol:

We certainty are. It's a shame, but man money controls this world. 

[cae]

My point is that the NRA simply wants everyone type of gun available.  Their reason is because they believe that the 2nd amendment was aimed at every type of gun ever.  I was just saying automatic and those semi-autos as examples of what they want available.  They probably want everyone to have an RPG too, but that's the NRA for you.  I'm not arguing semis over full blown autos, rather that I don't see the point of having any of these.

 

You have the NRA placed on some odd pedestal. Can you cite their support for deregulating automatic weapons?