AMD vs Linux?

[Nena Trinity]

Well we all know AMD does worse than Nvidia but their promise with Crimson is clearly not as good as promised...

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-binary-2015&num=1

Here you see how much they improved this year which is not by much sadly...

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-2016-details&num=1

AMD promises improvements in 2016 but after all these failures can we trust a single word? 

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=2015-holiday-gpus&num=2

How far behind Nvidia is AMD? Well 750Ti beats the Fury so lets just say their cards are useless...

 

Also please pester AMD about this issue!

[don_svetlio]

Eh, depends what my options are.

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[Prysin]

ill just vote for the 950. because its a higher number then any current gen AMD product.

[XDroidie626]

Yes and no, card dependant.

My R9 290 has never had any issues on Linux, my AMD APU in my laptop has, really hard to get a distro working with it, even Arch Linux had a hard time.

Nvidia on Ubuntu is dam hard to beat, the drivers are superb (Proprietary not FOSS).

Just research the card first.

[Nena Trinity]

All Tech News posts must abide by the requirements. Posting a video is not enough.

 

@Nena360. You should be aware of our requirements.

I am not sure why but this page wont let me post pictures from Phoronix you should tell Linus to fix that... >:c

[dimitriianghelov]

no cause linux who in their right mind uses that =))

[Godlygamer23]

I am not sure why but this page wont let me post pictures from Phoronix you should tell Linus to fix that... >:c

Only certain formats are accepted. If they're PNG, that can be an issue. But we also require original input from you as well. Pictures are not enough.

[monkey10120]

Whether or not AMD drivers work in linux is a dice roll most the time. Im not sure I will ever go AMD again until their drivers become more stable.

[Nena Trinity]

Only certain formats are accepted. If they're PNG, that can be an issue. But we also require original input from you as well. Pictures are not enough.

PNG is portable networks graphics is it not? o3o

[Prysin]

PNG is portable networks graphics is it not? o3o

its a compression issue. PNG is near lossless, some sites disabled them to be more mobile friendly without having to heavily optimize the entire webpage to save data.

[Nena Trinity]

its a compression issue. PNG is near lossless, some sites disabled them to be more mobile friendly without having to heavily optimize the entire webpage to save data.

That makes sense... o3o

[HalGameGuru]

It's an interesting video. On the slides I was wondering who was originally meant to see them, as they were leaks, and could they actually be referring to something besides FPS? If they were meant for devs could they be referring to CPU headroom available in Linux when using the new driver with those specific games? Draw calls, improved clocks and power usage and better execution leading to an overall better performance while no single criteria of performance was directly related.

 

I think a lot of these head scratching would be solved just by knowing who the slides were meant for and their direct context. If the slides weren't meant for the end user they represent something none of us could reproduce. I may hunt them down and check the footnotes as there did appear to be notations in the slides. Maybe there is something specific we can point to.

 

EDIT: Have not been able to find the footnotes yet, but the slides were under embargo, press, devs, internal, financiers, definitely not meant for end users.

[ForsakenLive]

Maybe, tested my R9 290 and it works almost as good as it does  in windows

[Mauri]

This question then becomes, "would you game on linux?"

 

no

[Nena Trinity]

This question then becomes, "would you game on linux?"

no

SteamOS? If your windows drive has no more room? Or if the game is CPU bound over GPU then it run better in Linux!

[zMeul]

Or if the game is CPU bound over GPU then it run better in Linux!

proof?!

[SubTract]

Oh man that video hurts my face. I know he basically said he screwed up the video at the start but oh boy.

This is something linux users have known for a long time. AMD's Open GL performance just isn't up to scratch with nVidia.

They have a lot of work to do, It appears that they are finally working on it with amd gpu.

The down side with amd gpu is, is that it only supports gcn 1.2 and up. It is still very new but they seem to be making progress.

 

If I had to take an educated guess, I would say that there slides are referring to performance using crimson on GCN 1.2 cards using amd gpu.

The problem comes down to them being poor at communicating. A problem they seem to have had for a very long time now.

 

My 390 doesn't have any issues with Linux. It doesn't perform nearly as well with OpenGL as it does with its DX counterpart.

I like many other gamers use Windows for gaming. Until AMD get there shit together I will keep doing so. 

[Misanthrope]

AMD just can't fucking deliver on any of their open source promises whatsoever. Yeah better drivers!.....except this are crap. Open source Mantle!....after we decide to abandon the fucking project anyway.

 

They just like to appear to be "open" but they're just as proprietary as Nvidia.

[HalGameGuru]

AMD just can't fucking deliver on any of their open source promises whatsoever. Yeah better drivers!.....except this are crap. Open source Mantle!....after we decide to abandon the fucking project anyway.

 

They just like to appear to be "open" but they're just as proprietary as Nvidia.

Mantle as a gaming API was abandoned in favor of DX12 and Vulkan but it still exists internally in other techs and underpinning their VR implementations. The drivers are better than they were, they need more, and I doubt they are finished working on them. And there is a difference between open source and open standard. They haven't always been good about open source, but they do a lot for open standards.

[Guest]

AMD supports the FOSS community.

So yes.

[Misanthrope]

Mantle as a gaming API was abandoned in favor of DX12 and Vulkan but it still exists internally in other techs and underpinning their VR implementations. The drivers are better than they were, they need more, and I doubt they are finished working on them. And there is a difference between open source and open standard. They haven't always been good about open source, but they do a lot for open standards.

 

1) Mantle was abandoned, regardless of the rationalizations AMD didn't announce it as a platform to elevate DX12 they announced it as an open source new API which was fucking never realized even with several major devs behind them, they just wasted their fucking time.

 

2) A newer shit being slightly better smelling and looking than an older piece of shit doesn't negates that they're both pieces of shit: That's their current Linux driver status.

[HalGameGuru]

Mantle as a standalone API was abandoned. When it was no longer needed. It still exists in many other techs.

 

If you go around expecting the new hotness to be idyllic and without flaw you might as well get out of the tech space. That's not how it works.

[Burusutazu]

Who knows what AMD will do at this point, all I know is that my 750ti works now so I'll stick to that.

[spartaman64]

when i had a 7770 i had no problems with linux and now i have a 770 and linux is unusable