Where is Pascal? Nvidia’s Drive PX 2 prototype powered by Maxwell, not Pascal

[Guest Kloaked]

A new studio with a shit game that happens to be a GameWorks game also using a GameWorks engine. Yea, I'm pretty sure Nvidia would want them to push a feature they don't have a handle on yet.

K. If Paragon runs like garbage when it actually releases, I'll believe you.

[ivan134]

K. If Paragon runs like garbage when it actually releases, I'll believe you.

Is Paragon or Law Breakers confirmed to be dx12?

[Guest Kloaked]

Is Paragon or Law Breakers confirmed to be dx12?

 

Neither is confirmed. Paragon is directly from Epic so I'm guessing they'll have it on DX12 since they own the UE4 engine. If they don't then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ivan134]

Neither is confirmed. Paragon is directly from Epic so I'm guessing they'll have it on DX12 since they own the UE4 engine. If they don't then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Besides, what I've said is they don't have a grasp on it YET. They can solve their problems with it before launch of either of those. Neither of even has a release date yet.

 

A new studio with a shit game that happens to be a GameWorks game also using a GameWorks engine. Yea, I'm pretty sure Nvidia would want them to push a feature they don't have a handle on yet.

[SansVarnic]

Nvidia’s Drive PX 2 prototype allegedly powered by Maxwell, not Pascal

 

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Well done. Just realized i got fooled aswell with this drive PX2. I actually believed that those were pascal chips like Jen Sun said. 

 

Source:http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/220818-nvidias-drive-px-2-prototype-allegedly-powered-by-maxwell-not-pascal

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars

Tomsen post in this topic  : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/521232-nvidia-shows-off-drive-px-2-water-cooled-supercomputer-for-self-driving-cars-deep-learning-tech/

 

 

Does it matter? It's not a gaming card.

It does.

 

it does Nvidia said those were pascal GPUS.

 

They are Maxwell (Laptop style graphics card), but its a mock-up and is not uncommon to do mock-ups for CES. When the final product comes out it may very well be the Pascals installed.

As he mentioned the product was still in research phase and is being partnered by Volkswagen. I am sure we will see the final come out soon.

[spartaman64]

why? It's a prototype, they might be using Pascal in the actual version?

 

 

Pretty sure Pascal GPU's aren't being manufactured yet, how do you want them to use Pascal?

then this is a early proof of concept not even a prototype as the actual card needs to be massively different with different power delivery system. different connections between the vram and the gpu 

[spartaman64]

Why do some people have such  hardon for pointing out any little thing Nvidia seems to do wrong? Tall poppy syndrome? 

im not saying that it is but if the card that comes out is maxwell and they said it is pascal it shows a lack of integrity on nvidia's part and after the 3.5GB of full speed memory on the 970 fiasco people are watching nvidia carefully

[don_svetlio]

im not saying that it is but if the card that comes out is maxwell and they said it is pascal it shows a lack of integrity on nvidia's part and after the 3.5GB of full speed memory on the 970 fiasco people are watching nvidia carefully

Don't forget the Kepler nerf thing when Witcher 3 came out.

[Jahramika]

Why would self driving cars need HBM though?

???

Well let's see to save space and mostly use less power on a electric car

[Belgarathian]

Maybe they're panicking to rework Pascal after async compute performance of Nvidia's architecture in DX12 embarrassed them?

 

Hope not, it would be great to have a whole generation of AMD recouperating market share.

 

I can hope...

[Jahramika]

You must remember that Pascal is Maxwell revision 2.0.It has been added as Volta got delayed.While I don't know if what was shown on stage was really Maxwell or Pascal. All I am saying that it is normal that Pascal board looks identical to Maxwell.

So it's is a rebrand refresh then.

[Jahramika]

Face it we need Obama to write his 3500 executive order and make Nvidia support Dx12 instead of getting game developers to fight it and stay with the same old crappie where consoules rule because Nvidia wants to control the market through software. That's why consoules rule they are united between software and hardware.

[BobbyG2]

Face it we need Obama to write his 3500 executive order and make Nvidia support Dx12 instead of getting game developers to fight it and stay with the same old crappie where consoules rule because Nvidia wants to control the market through software.

Dear God no. Let's not get the government involved in graphics cards please. They fuck up enough stuff already.

[Jahramika]

The Obama part was a joke

[Jahramika]

Look how good health care is after 5000 deductibles. Graphics would be the shi5

[byalexandr]

Pretty sure those are some early versions of Pascal chips that are using GDDR5.

 

Polaris is what I'm hyped for though, so what do I know about Pascal. Besides the fact that he was a mathematician.

[Jahramika]

I have had Nvidia cards before at home and work systems never liked there driver interface and was terrible on mole even more

[RexinOridle]

Damn. Was hoping I could finally run Crysis with my car.

 

Same man. Now it's gone, all gone. No more hope for me. Driving off a cliff.

[Jahramika]

Pretty sure those are some early versions of Pascal chips that are using GDDR5.

 

Polaris is what I'm hyped for though, so what do I know about Pascal. Besides the fact that he was a mathematician.

Well you know somewhere between now and back to school releases will start of which chips Noone knows. You also seen there is a nice power savings demonstrated with the new chip, the exact amount secret and to be expected until release.

[byalexandr]

Well you know somewhere between now and back to school releases will start of which chips Noone knows. You also seen there is a nice power savings demonstrated with the new chip, the exact amount secret and to be expected until release.

Polaris or Pascal? I personally don't care for Pascal, I'm excited for Polaris though.

[Jahramika]

Pascal is a rebrand unless 30 to 40 % changes its a rebrand. Unless hardware Dx12 rebrand do the same software support.

[GoodBytes]

Pascal is a rebrand unless 30 to 40 % changes its a rebrand. Unless hardware Dx12 rebrand do the same software support.

That is up to you on how you see things, but technically it isn't a rebrand if 0.1% changes.

Also, how do you know what determines "30-40%", did you ever build a GPU before? I can tell you that you have 4000-5000 engineers working on a GPU on average on a 4-5 year cycle. Possibly more engineers for new architecture. Trust me, they are not turning their thumbs.

[VanayadGaming]

@GoodBytes 

You keep mentioning that this is Maxwell 2.0. Shouldn't this be like Maxwell 3.0 ? I mean 750Ti is the first gen Maxwell afaik, then the 900 series is the 2nd gen. Also the fact that they lied about what they had on that prototype is illegal. They are a publicly traded company and they can't say: Look we have Pascal up and running, when in fact it's a 980MXM board. There were investors there and according to SEC regulations this is not legal. 

Also regarding rebrands:

AMD didn't change the ASIC of their GPU, they only binned it better/got higher clocks, but they did change the card with better components. So it is more like a refresh/optimization of the cards. 

[Notional]

I must say, the more I read about this, the more worried I get. Back in the day with Fermi and the infamous wood screw, Fermi got delayed more than a quater.

 

To this day we still haven't seen any prototype from NVidia actually showing either a 16nmFF+ /pascal chip or any HBM chip in any shape or form in any presented prototype what so ever.

 

Sure we have not actually seen an Arctic Island chip in the flesh, but we have seen HBM implemented, even launched. At CES working polaris prototypes was demoed, and Greenland (or ellesmere) was demoed behind closed doors, meaning we have working prototype 14nm FF LPP GPU's demoed. NVidia haven't even shown us a defective broken chip yet.

 

Considering AMD has confirmed a Polaris launch on both laptops and desktops before the August school start, I have to question the actual state of Pascal. Will we even see it this year? Maybe only their high end model (Titan) around the holidays?

[TechGod]

I must say, the more I read about this, the more worried I get. Back in the day with Fermi and the infamous wood screw, Fermi got delayed more than a quater.

To this day we still haven't seen any prototype from NVidia actually showing either a 16nmFF+ /pascal chip or any HBM chip in any shape or form in any presented prototype what so ever.

Sure we have not actually seen an Arctic Island chip in the flesh, but we have seen HBM implemented, even launched. At CES working polaris prototypes was demoed, and Greenland (or ellesmere) was demoed behind closed doors, meaning we have working prototype 14nm FF LPP GPU's demoed. NVidia haven't even shown us a defective broken chip yet.

Considering AMD has confirmed a Polaris launch on both laptops and desktops before the August school start, I have to question the actual state of Pascal. Will we even see it this year? Maybe only their high end model (Titan) around the holidays?

I hope so. I want to see AMD kick Nvidia's ass