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really, really off topic. But aren't you the guy that met your wife by puking on her?

That story simply won't die will it? 

Yes, the the first time I meet my wife I vomited right down her cleavage. You know, I'm a hopeless romantic that way.

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I think it doesn't have much negative impact on the brain and relationships at all. I don't believe such statements until actual evidence has been given, you can google all you want, but the fact remains I have not noticed any of these negative impacts, on me or people around me.

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I think it doesn't have much negative impact on the brain and relationships at all. I don't believe such statements until actual evidence has been given, you can google all you want, but the fact remains I have not noticed any of these negative impacts, on me or people around me.

I don't think my side can win, as little concrete evidence of the negative effects of porn have been researched yet, as society does not see a problem with it.

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I know plenty of people who have great relationships even while they both watch porn and masturbate. I honestly can't see how relieving sexual tensions can lead to not loving someone as much. Hell, it could lead to a more open and relaxed relationship, because there isn't as much sexual tension.

I thought these were supposed to have evidence with them? Sorry, but people keep shooting me down with the lack of mine.

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That story simply won't die will it? 

Yes, the the first time I meet my wife I vomited right down her cleavage. You know, I'm a hopeless romantic that way.

That's... wow wished i could pull that one off... wow.

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I don't think my side can win, as little concrete evidence of the negative effects of porn have been researched yet, as society does not see a problem with it.

Indeed.

 

People in my life who I know watch porn have no problems in relationships, nor do I.

 

Those statements on that website demonizes the everliving hell out of porn, as long as you realize it's not how real life works you're ok.

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Correlation does not always equal causation. Meaning that for example a study that finds that people who watch more porn for example break up more frequently, does not mean one is caused by the other.

The way the numbers are seen can also change the results, meaning that if you read the results as a porn hater: you will likely spot out some negative correlation between porn and something else and see that as definitive proof while the opposite type of people might see this number and think that can't be right or something.

 

Either way, this more of a critique against these type of studies in general

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Indeed.

 

People in my life who I know watch porn have no problems in relationships, nor do I.

 

Those statements on that website demonizes the everliving hell out of porn, as long as you realize it's not how real life works you're ok.

I guess I haven't known that people have a good potential for relationships after porn. I am religious and I guess I have been in a bubble of protection that is gained from horror stories about lives ruined because of porn. (My older sister's life has fallen apart. She was in advanced classes, and got into porn, then wanted more, then pot wanted more, just a spiral of wreckage of life.)

I digress, as negative effects of porn still stand.

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On a side note, why do you even care? It doesn't seem like the society will collapse cause of this. We are all animals after all. Do you think a dog cares what bitch he fucks? Everything a human being thinks about sex is COMPLETELY ARTIFICIAL. Imposed upon us by the church/society/deIlluminati. The only thing it will bring is the degradation of the act itself, and wether it's bad or not is a subjective matter.
In this case, like in all subjective ones, wether it's bad or not is a wrong question.

 

 

 

B..but what if it led to.. SEXUAL ABUSE OF WOMEN? DIRTY PIG YOU'RE ALL THE SAME 

Then get young teenage girls that obviously watch porn aswell to stop thinking it's morally wrong and we all gonna have some happy orgy called the planet Earth.

 

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So people in this thread who watch porn are unwilling to concede that it does anything harmful...... because they themselves haven't noticed any ill effects?

 

People really like their porn.  I wonder if they could give up watching it.

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I thought these were supposed to have evidence with them? Sorry, but people keep shooting me down with the lack of mine.

Quite frankly, just give me evidence as good as mine. If you have ever been in a relationship or personally knew someone in a relationship who has had said relationship jeaoporized because of porn, say it. (And being religious is fine, just don't make an argument out of it. Too flamey)

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You could argue that gaming does the same things, but with less intensity.

In the brain, we are rewarded with chemical doses of dopamine, which which make us happy. Drugs work by triggering this system. Porn is not like drugs, because it is often free, and is welcomed (generally) in society. Porn is like these drugs in the way that it also triggers these systems. The availability, additive properties, and the immorality of Porn make it a huge threat in society.

With the structure of this debate (having to be based on facts and concrete evidence), I don't think my side can win, as little concrete evidence of the negative effects of porn have been researched yet, as society does not see a problem with it.Purely objectiveley, porn does not pose a problem, as it does not harm your body (except mentally).

I personally posted my opinion, and I didn't expect much of it. People are shooting down my half baked evidence with hardly any at all.

I am religious (sorry for violating your rule) and I think/know porn is a certain problem

As already pointed out, prety much everything is addictive and that doesn't mean it's bad. 

There is no evidence to suggest that porn is more addictiv than, say, execise. 

 

And while you are saying that there is no concrete evidence (something that I partially agree with), you are still making positive statements. 

This is why people are tearning you down. The positions are not either/or. Most people in here would take the agnostic middle position. 

 

Also, the fact that you are religious shouldn't play a role. The evidence doesn't follow what you believe, so your beliefs about something should be seperate from what the evidence shows. 

 

EDIT: MY "HALF BAKED" EVIDENCE: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts/

This states all the relationship problems with porn in it, but alas, people disregard it.

And I just wrote "Porn is great" on a piece of paper on my desk. I am now equally as valid to talk about the ill effects of porn as that website.

You have yet to give us reasont o trust that website. 

I will ask you again, and this time you do it for your own sake. Go through the sources that the website is referencing. I think you will be surprised. 

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I guess I haven't known that people have a good potential for relationships after porn. I am religious and I guess I have been in a bubble of protection that is gained from horror stories about lives ruined because of porn. (My older sister's life has fallen apart. She was in advanced classes, and got into porn, then wanted more, then pot wanted more, just a spiral of wreckage of life.)

I digress, as negative effects of porn still stand.

Well yeah there is of course addiction but the problem there lies with the addictive personality.

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@Philcat101 I wouldn't argue with people already addicted to porn, it's ultimately useless.

 

I've had experience. With talking to people, I mean.

I wouldn't argue with people already extremely pre-biased to hating pron, it's ultimately useless.

 

I've had experience with talking to people as well.

 

 

Solid statement there.

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That story simply won't die will it? 

Yes, the the first time I meet my wife I vomited right down her cleavage. You know, I'm a hopeless romantic that way.

It has been proven to work then.

Now if you'll excuse me i'll go to a nightclub with some ipecac Jk. Also i think i read that story at some point

 

As for my on topic thoughts.

Yeah. Why not. They'll do it anyway. (+ tell a teen that they can't do something. And they'll do it)

As long as the sex ed is up to par it won't hurt in moderation. Everything can be taken to excessive levels though.

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So people in this thread who watch porn are unwilling to concede that it does anything harmful...... because they themselves haven't noticed any ill effects?

People really like their porn. I wonder if they could give up watching it.

I'd say it does effect people. But in a very neutral way. It decreases how easily you get aroused (arguably a good thing) and can relieve sexual tension. Yes, it probably does mean you think about sex more, and it does lead to dopamine being released in the brain causing addictive behaviour, but is that such a bad thing? Simply being aware of sex? And feeling drawn to it? I could argue that's one of the most natural things to do for any lving organism, and why deny sexuality to ourselves? In the end, all it does is make us happier people.

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I wouldn't argue with people already extremely pre-biased to hating pron, it's ultimately useless.

I've had experience with talking to people as well.

Solid statement there.

They're both biases. Heavy biases. 

 

Haha just look at the people arguing for it. The only proof they have that it's 100% good with nothing wrong at all is "because I do it and in my eyes I'm not fucked up." 

I used to be quite active here.

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They're both biases. Heavy biases. 

So why would you call it useless to argue with us, but then (honestly, so that's good) admit to being biased as well, it would be useless to discuss with you too right?

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That story simply won't die will it?

Yes, the the first time I meet my wife I vomited right down her cleavage. You know, I'm a hopeless romantic that way.

You romance beast

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I'd say it does effect people. But in a very neutral way. It decreases how easily you get aroused (arguably a good thing) and can relieve sexual tension. Yes, it probably does mean you think about sex more, and it does lead to dopamine being released in the brain causing addictive behaviour, but is that such a bad thing? Simply being aware of sex? And feeling drawn to it? I could argue that's one of the most natural things to do for any lving organism, and why deny sexuality to ourselves? In the end, all it does is make us happier people.

 

What would it take for someone to convince you that porn was harmful for the person watching it, their partner, and the people in the porn industry who make the content?

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So why would you call it useless to argue with us, but then (honestly, so that's good) admit to being biased as well, it would be useless to discuss with you too right?

I edited my post. 

I used to be quite active here.

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I edited my post. 

Oh wait let me do the same:

 

Haha, just look at the people arguing against it, 'I knew somebody who was a porn-addict and I read an article online once, I don't do it , so I am a saint'

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There is no evidence to suggest that porn is more addictiv than, say, execise. 

There is, just look for it. And that leads to:

 

And I just wrote "Porn is great" on a piece of paper on my desk. I am now equally as valid to talk about the ill effects of porn as that website.

You have yet to give us reasont o trust that website. 

I will ask you again, and this time you do it for your own sake. Go through the sources that the website is referencing. I think you will be surprised. 

I am sorry I have no solid facts. Like I have stated earlier, I have little concrete evidence that people seem to love.

After all, this is what is going on: People have no research on it, as there is little problem about it seemingly.

I don't think that video game studies came before people were saying that it rots your brain, and similar things. It is the same thing with me saying porn is harmful.

Alas, I have little evidence, but that is the nature of this argument.

Besides people with real life experiences, people shooting down my "evidence" with incredibility (The state of not being believable) and are not contributing much else.

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What would it take for someone to convince you that porn was harmful for the person watching it, their partner, and the people in the porn industry who make the content?

first one: proof that watching porn completely destroyed their life, lost them their job, loss their relationship, and hit rock bottom.

And I'm fully aware that alot of the people working in porn suffer, that's why I prefer erotica, Anime, and ameteur. No one gets hurt, its usually just words, animations, or some regular people who aren't actors or locked into the industry.

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