Which CPU to use

[ZetZet]

If that's the minimum then it works fine. A cooler to OC? I'm sitting at 4.5Ghz on a Hyper 212 EVO, and while I'll never know the true temperature (you know, it guesses temps since it doesn't have a thermometer) Core Temp says I sit around 62-64C while playing Fallout 4, and 66C while running Aida64.

 

Also, you're still spending $70 less. Would you really expect $70 of performance to come out of nowhere?

 

I think it performs about $70 less. You could also get a 990FX motherboard for about $90, and it would still be cheaper than the Xeon/B85. That's what I run.

yes, xeon would perform better, that's the bottom line. so at 170$ for processor 90$ for mobo and 30$ for cooler you get 290$ total, which makes your combo perform about 70$ worse in your own estimation. when actual difference in price is 15$.

[Kobathor]

yes, xeon would perform better, that's the bottom line. so at 170$ for processor 90$ for mobo and 30$ for cooler you get 290$ total, which makes your combo perform about 70$ worse in your own estimation. when actual difference in price is 15$.

Then you overclock.

 

I edited my post, read it.

 

Now it's $50 less give or take, and you can OC, too!

[ZetZet]

Then you overclock.

 

I edited my post, read it.

 

Now it's $50 less give or take, and you can OC, too!

overclocking still won't reach the performance of a xeon. it's just going to be even more power hungry and hot. 

[don_svetlio]

wa

 

wait.... why is that? if that true I might get an AMD card

Because the FX8350 has 8 logical processors and when you NEED 8 threads it performs around 25% better than i5s

[don_svetlio]

overclocking still won't reach the performance of a xeon. it's just going to be even more power hungry and hot. 

@Prysin

[Kobathor]

overclocking still won't reach the performance of a xeon. it's just going to be even more power hungry and hot. 

And it's still $50 less.

 

OH. MY. GOD. Crazy, right?

[FruitBasketSilex]

Mr. Trump, is that you?

It is, my son. Do you need a small loan?

[Prysin]

overclocking still won't reach the performance of a xeon. it's just going to be even more power hungry and hot. 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/514902-is-this-a-good-upgrade-cpu-motherboard/?p=6852051

 

if a 4790k is being matched.... a much lower clocked XEON wont beat the 8350 in rendering.

 

in SOME games, XEON is outright better. but in newer titles, its simply a super underclocked 4790 (non K)....

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1369

 

not properly comparing the two, but the closest i can get with Anandtechs bench tool.

[ZetZet]

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/514902-is-this-a-good-upgrade-cpu-motherboard/?p=6852051

 

if a 4790k is being matched.... a much lower clocked XEON wont beat the 8350 in rendering.

 

in SOME games, XEON is outright better. but in newer titles, its simply a super underclocked 4790 (non K)....

why are you screaming in all caps? There have been countless amounts of people going from 8350 to 4790k noticing real world usage improvements, just look around in members review section.

 

xeon isn't MUCH LOWER clocked, it's about the same since overclocking intel cpu's doesn't give nearly as much gain in performance as amd cpu's.

 

 

and why the fuck are we always stuck on the rendering thing? No one gives a fuck about rendering, it's THE LAST thing people do. 

 

xeon will be better in gaming, streaming, unpacking zips, encoding video, working in photoshop, exporting video. I could go on. Not to mention it will do that by siping 80W's on it's stock intel cooler.

 

The only time it ever makes sense to get 8350 over a 4690k or a xeon is if you already have it. Every other time it's simply not worth the trouble. 

 

Also thanks for the 4790s vs 8350 anand comparison, clearly better in every scenario.

 

And it's still $50 less.

 

OH. MY. GOD. Crazy, right?

you just showed yourself that it's not. I mean, seriously?

[FallsZero]

I find it so weird that you can get intel processors that are a couple years old but still outperform amd gaming benchmark wise what structurally is different from amd and intel?

[Prysin]

 

why are you screaming in all caps? There have been countless amounts of people going from 8350 to 4790k noticing real world usage improvements, just look around in members review section.

 

xeon isn't MUCH LOWER clocked, it's about the same since overclocking intel cpu's doesn't give nearly as much gain in performance as amd cpu's.

 

 

and why the fuck are we always stuck on the rendering thing? No one gives a fuck about rendering, it's THE LAST thing people do. 

 

xeon will be better in gaming, streaming, unpacking zips, encoding video, working in photoshop, exporting video. I could go on. Not to mention it will do that by siping 80W's on it's stock intel cooler.

 

The only time it ever makes sense to get 8350 over a 4690k or a xeon is if you already have it. Every other time it's simply not worth the trouble. 

 

Also thanks for the 4790s vs 8350 anand comparison, clearly better in every scenario.

 

you just showed yourself that it's not. I mean, seriously?

 

i think you dont understand how AMD CPUs and intel CPUs work.

 

but since you havent owned a FX, which i have. and since you havent done the FX to i7 switch yourself, which i have.... i find you a bit... un-informed here.

[Prysin]

I find it so weird that you can get intel processors that are a couple years old but still outperform amd gaming benchmark wise what structurally is different from amd and intel?

A lot is different.

 

the way the CPUs work, the fundamental basics of the CPU function is different.

Intel is based upon "SMT" while amd is based out of "CMT"...

Google the two.. best way to understand the difference how it really is

[ZetZet]

i think you dont understand how AMD CPUs and intel CPUs work.

 

but since you havent owned a FX, which i have. and since you havent done the FX to i7 switch yourself, which i have.... i find you a bit... un-informed here.

my point still stands. Xeon will be better in every case except rendering. Which no one does.

[Prysin]

my point still stands. Xeon will be better in every case except rendering. Which no one does.

your point doesnt stand when you fundamentally misunderstand how things work.

 

OCing intel does quite a bit more then OCing AMD.

you just doesnt get to OC as hard, without being very luck and having hefty cooling.

[thevipper]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($61.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $304.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-28 11:58 EST-0500

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($167.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($59.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $227.87

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-28 11:58 EST-0500

 

Your point is?

You can also OC the 8350 on a 970 motherboard, and get more performance.

 

 

for the 1231 v3 look at a msi h81m p33 it's $45 and supports xeon 1231 v3 

[Prysin]

i5 6500

 

dont bother with AMD or Haswell. get Skylake

[FruitBasketSilex]

i think you dont understand how AMD CPUs and intel CPUs work.

but since you havent owned a FX, which i have. and since you havent done the FX to i7 switch yourself, which i have.... i find you a bit... un-informed here.

I like how your defense is simply "I think you're wrong."

[App4that]

i5 6500

dont bother with AMD or Haswell. get Skylake

The hype train is real, and not worth the ticket price.

[Prysin]

I like how your defense is simply "I think you're wrong."

i like how you made a post with zero content other then a snide remark that neither proves or disproves my statement

The hype train is real, and not worth the ticket price.

considering DDR3 is on the way out, LGA1150 is dead, NVME is on the way in and not all AMD or Intel boards pre skylake supports this technology.

 

AMDs AM3+ boards only support M.2 x4 PCIe Gen2 (up to 1500GB/s RW)

Intel has a few Z97 boards that with the correct bios update will support x4 PCIe Gen3 NVME, but many of their boards only feature X1 Gen3 or x4 Gen2 for some odd reason....

 

 

Skylake and ZEN is what you will get stuff for in the coming years. Haswell may be cheap. but a PC is NOT ONLY A CPU AND GPU. IT IS EVERYTHING AROUND IT TOO.

[App4that]

i like how you made a post with zero content other then a snide remark that neither proves or disproves my statement

considering DDR3 is on the way out, LGA1150 is dead, NVME is on the way in and not all AMD or Intel boards pre skylake supports this technology.

AMDs AM3+ boards only support M.2 x4 PCIe Gen2 (up to 1500GB/s RW)

Intel has a few Z97 boards that with the correct bios update will support x4 PCIe Gen3 NVME, but many of their boards only feature X1 Gen3 or x4 Gen2 for some odd reason....

Skylake and ZEN is what you will get stuff for in the coming years. Haswell may be cheap. but a PC is NOT ONLY A CPU AND GPU. IT IS EVERYTHING AROUND IT TOO.

A platform is only dead if you need to upgrade. No one with a 4790k needs to upgrade and by the time they do Skylake will be a "dead" platform too.

So...

[Prysin]

A platform is only dead if you need to upgrade. No one with a 4790k needs to upgrade and by the time they do Skylake will be a "dead" platform too.

So...

not really. Haswell i7s, like the one i happen to own and use has a serious weakness. they only have 20 PCIe Gen3 lanes. MAX

 

you get 28 lanes with any Skylake/X99 5820k....

Which for Crossfire/SLI setups will matter. Or for those of us who use multiple expansion cards, not only a GPU....

[App4that]

not really. Haswell i7s, like the one i happen to own and use has a serious weakness. they only have 20 PCIe Gen3 lanes. MAX

you get 28 lanes with any Skylake/X99 5820k....

Which for Crossfire/SLI setups will matter. Or for those of us who use multiple expansion cards, not only a GPU....

I assume you've read the PCI Skylake sticky in this sub section? And I ran crossfire, sucked. Never again.

[FruitBasketSilex]

not really. Haswell i7s, like the one i happen to own and use has a serious weakness. they only have 20 PCIe Gen3 lanes. MAX

you get 28 lanes with any Skylake/X99 5820k....

Which for Crossfire/SLI setups will matter. Or for those of us who use multiple expansion cards, not only a GPU....

That's what we have PLX switches for, fam.

[Prysin]

That's what we have PLX switches for, fam.

which is extremely expensive... they cost like 50-80 bucks now....

 

@MageTank knows more about this.

 

 

PCIe lane issues is why i honestly think dual GPUs have a point

[App4that]

which is extremely expensive... they cost like 50-80 bucks

So 50-80 bucks is expensive, but buying a CPU when it costs the most it will ever cost and there are alternative CPUs that perform as well or better for the same price is OK?