MageTank

Does the PC boot fine with a single DIMM installed? If so, install a single DIMM, load XMP to make sure it posts, manually dial in the primary and secondary timings, leave tertiary on auto and disable MCR so that it manually trains the tertiary timings again. See if that still boots. If so, install the second DIMM and see if it will successfully train in dual channel. If this fails, manually dial in 900mv VDDP and try again. Like @RONOTHAN## said, two identical kits from the same manufacturer can still have different ICs from different memory vendors. Our lab ordered several thousand G Skill kits over the years and it was basically like playing the lottery. Even if we ended up with multiple kits from Hynix, some would be CJR, DJR, AFR, MFR, etc. All of these behave differently from one another.

The problem wasn't the failure to "properly read legal-ese", it was the fact that ASUS themselves blatantly denied warranty claims after users reported issues after installing the beta BIOS. The stock BIOS caused damage, the beta BIOS was released to address it, yet installing the beta BIOS resulted in their warranty claims getting denied. Your refresh source even cited the following link: Also, ChatGPT hasn't quite passed the Bar just yet, I'd avoid using it for legal interpretations. In your example, it's clearly wrong. Yes, the premise in the wording explicitly states that the UEFI, it's firmware, and all content within are provided "as is", that's not the only limitation mentioned in the clause. As you yourself correctly stated, "Except as provided in the Product warranty" plays a very key role here. What exactly does the original product warranty say? Now that's not to say that a good lawyer couldn't argue against this in court, but it's clear that ChatGPT considers the BIOS to be software, and the warranty itself does not cover failure caused by software. It's also clear that ASUS themselves had no problem letting their support teams tell customers their warranty was voided as a result of a beta BIOS. Again, it has nothing to do with how "tech influencers" interpreted the written warranty, and more to do with how ASUS themselves handled the actual warranty claims. If they handled the warranty claims right in the first place, this would have never happened. Oh and for some overkill: With enough money, you can argue that the warranty covers nothing, lol. This is fundamentally false. If a motherboard vendor damages your processor because they are operating outside of the voltage range defined by the processor manufacturer, they are absolutely liable. Our lab tested plenty of boards from vendors and have reported countless issues to them. We've lost plenty of hardware along the way, and best believe they replaced every single one of them when their boards were at fault. motherboard_warranty_card_for_web.pdf

I held his testing methodology to similar standards as did many peers in my industry, but even with a tight methodology the man would still come to some bizarre conclusions. I stopped watching the guy after he purchased an $800 gaming PC, titled the video as a "review", ran a single CPU Blender workload on it, then spent 20 minutes complaining about CPU thermals without testing a single game on this gaming system. "I fixed this design flaw by spending only $20". Cool bud, now can we get a before and after gaming result please? I feel like Steve just prefers to make sensationalist content these days. It's less about objective testing and adherence to data, and more about holding others to his "holier than thou" standards. We really shouldn't have called him Tech Jesus all these years, I think it may have went to his head, lol. Your thoughts sum up exactly how I feel. This is some high school popularity drama masquerading as protecting viewers, when in reality everyone involved seems to have an ego they are trying to protect lol. Steve clearly has an axe to grind against Linus, Linus can't help but step on every single rake in the yard, and Rossman just loves the sound of his own voice (I don't blame him, he has the ASMR thing going for him).

Yeah, I think his testing methodology itself was flawless, I just find the scope weird. If you want to point out throttling in Blender, that's perfectly fine, but I'd also prefer to see some actual game performance. Then the conclusion could be "Buy this if you only want to game, but avoid this if you need to do heavy CPU rendering on the side". Most of the people that I would refer to review channels online are mostly just gamers, not people educated enough to draw their own conclusions. While I personally water cool all my stuff, I don't see pairing a 5600X with a stock cooler as a bad thing. Steve mentioned in video that it is a 65w processor, and the AMD stealth cooler (assuming that is what it was based on pictures/video) is rated for 65W. The fact that it maintained a 300mhz boost on that stock cooler under Blender is impressive by itself, lol. I am assuming Steve would tell people to refer to the 3060 review if they want gaming performance, but if the throttling is such a concern, I'd like to see that explored in the video itself, especially since the title of the video also refers to the system as a Gaming PC. Would have also been great to see if the extra $20 he spent on the replaced cooler improved FPS and if so, by how much? Would help inform buyers that paying X percentage more results in Y percentage performance boost.

Yeah, I just watched a video from GN last week about a prebuilt PC for $800 from Micro Center. Dude went in on it being a bad design and thermal throttling under Blender, and came to the conclusion that it was a bad gaming PC. Problem is, I saw zero gaming benchmarks in the video about the gaming PC. I consider him knowledgeable, and his methodology was flawless in that video, but he seems to have issues with the scope of his videos. It makes it hard for me to recommend them as a "review channel" when people won't get relevant review information. This pales in comparison to the scale of issues he pointed out about LMG, but it's still something he himself would have to acknowledge to avoid being hypocritical with his push on ethical testing and scope.

It does, but to a lesser extent. When I used skylake, I didn't exceed 1.15v on either rail, but once I got my OC dialed in, both were stable at 950mv. VCCSA tends to scale a little better though, so having it be higher than VCCIO wouldn't be uncommon, just make sure you avoid pushing too high. Most of the people recommending 1.3-1.35v on VCCSA back then had no idea about IMC longevity on Skylake, they were just taking a guess at it, lol. As for the BIOS, newest isn't always the best, especially when it comes to memory stability. If it supports rolling back, might be worth trying a different BIOS from an earlier version. I don't know if people discuss BIOS testing when it comes to memory OC on LTT, but the OCN forums might have older threads where this was investigated on the Intel CPU's sub-forum.

VCCIO isn't something that provides stability the higher it gets. It's actually very sensitive to "voltage holes" where certain values (both low or high) are simply unstable. For example: I've had scenarios where 950mv was stable but 1000mv wasn't. 50mv difference resulted in complete instability. 1050 was just as stable as 950. I do not like the modern trend of throwing more VCCIO/VCCSA at things for stability, but I am seeing it far more often with most memory overclockers these days. My testing just doesn't show good scaling. The same can be said with VDDP on AMD. If you pay attention to AM5 and the latest 1.0.0.7B AGESA firmware, they actually lowered VDDP from 1.15V down to .9V on most boards because vendors were throwing way too much voltage at XMP kits, resulting in instability and higher boot times. People attributed faster boots to MCR, but it was actually the VDDP voltage. For your issue in particular, might be worth trying a different BIOS. The noise you are hearing can be caused by impedance which would explain why VCCIO is impacting the noise. I would also recommend experimenting with lower VCCIO voltages, I promise you can find stability just as easily with less voltage.

I get hating PCI-SIG and USBIF, but what did JEDEC do? Imagine the nightmare world if they didn't exist. They are also fairly hands off as long as a standard exists for multiple technologies and can operate at said standard. You can deviate significantly from there however you see fit.

I normally use a heating element or heating iron and sit the processor on top of it, but those tools are in my home lab, not my work lab, lol. Ryzen in general is a little trickier to delid compared to Intel and it just isn't worth it thermally speaking. Having to use a thin razer to break the adhesion without scratching the substrate, making sure not to move the die too far to avoid SMDs and making sure it's warm enough to avoid cracking the die as you mentioned previously. I know people that skip the heating step, but I've only had about an 80% success rate without heat, and (aside from this hilariously botched job) a near 100% success rate with some heat. Just don't use a cheap $20 heat gun and handheld thermocouples lol. As for fixing the pins, I am strongly considering it. None of them are actually "bent", they are hanging freely. The solder pads still look very clean, I imagine if I heat the rest, completely remove them and find myself a jig to line up the pins, I could probably fix this.

Buddy, that was heat that made the pins fall off, the processor was completely suspended lol. The cheap heatgun we have doesn't have temperature control, it's simply a twisty nob that says "warm" and "hot". Used a thermal couple to measure surface temps to roughly 314F or 156C (melting point of indium) but it turns out that either the probe was inaccurate or the surface temp didn't reflect actual temp of the substrate. Pins started to fall off, en masse, lol. I am quite experienced with delidding. I'd wager that I've delidded more processors than most people in this world, this is just the consequences of rushing for the sake of science. I'll still bask in its crispy glory any day of the week.

@ShimejiiI did in fact learn something from delidding this processor. Too much heat = bad time. I did manage to get some testing done before I did the deed. Very impressed with it, would make a good ITX chip for sure. I didn't see a "limit 1 per customer" thing on the website so... brb.

You ain't my dad. I am gonna delid two now just because.

I don't know. If I were playing Elden Ring with AI enabled while wearing the sunbro armor and all of a sudden Solaire invaded, yelled "420 Praise It" and defeated a boss with me, that'd be pretty sweet. I'd sacrifice some British melancholy for that.

Oh, I wasn't gonna delid for performance. I just genuinely want to see the CCD configuration to confirm these match a 5800X3D. Nobody else is dumb enough to delid a limited edition processor, so someone has to do it. I am about 99% confident I'll break it. My last Ryzen delid didn't go so well, lol.

With how limited these limited limits are, I want to buy one and delid it, but if I kill it, someone somewhere in the world is gonna yell at me.