Used 970 or 780?

[Prysin]

And AMD's drivers are still behind....and we still don't see the theoretical performance that their cards are capable of.

 

All titles at 1080p.

provide proof.

proof must have been posted/released after september 2015 (as AMDs drivers increased performance A LOT during that time-frame)

[WangKe]

But JC3 has no driver support from AMD yet, so you sound like a Nvidia fanboy. And we both know that's not true so lets stick to games with drivers shall we?

Doesn't JC3 run like ass anyways on Nvidia cards?

[Prysin]

Doesn't JC3 run like ass anyways on Nvidia cards?

it runs worse then your average Bethesda + Ubisoft game pooled together

[Dabombinable]

Speak for yourself - I still cannot get a working driver past 355.60 for my laptop.

I'm still using 355.98 because the only game that I have that was released after it is FO4, and that runs perfectly at 1080p, 60FPS maxed out settings (I never update drivers unless I'm in need of the possible performance boost). And face it-AMD still hasn't gotten their shit together when it comes to their drivers and newer titles. They have been releasing better drivers (apart from that Crimson screw up), but they still aren't as good as they should be. Though with FO4, I'm pretty much playing a game that really reminds me of unmodded Skyrim in looks and mechanics (specifically lock picking-same damn positions as Skyrim).......so yeah I can see why I'm not having issues with "old" drivers.

[App4that]

Doesn't JC3 run like ass anyways on Nvidia cards?

You mean like this? Yes, no point arguing over a shit port. And this is at least the second time we have argued over a shit port because "team green" finally found a game they can point to and say it runs better on theirs. Yeah, shit runs better on Nvidia, news at 11.

 

[WangKe]

And AMD's drivers are still behind....and we still don't see the theoretical performance that their cards are capable of.

Nowhere near as how far back Nvidia has left Kepler cards behind. Even when Kepler came out, Fermi could still hold its own to the point that even when the Kepler refresh cards came in, Fermi was still viable on decent high settings (by this, I mean I'm pretty sure we didn't have to do voodoo magic to get everything on max settings. Just drop AA, maybe some shadow qualities, but all in all not too much, and it'd still look good anyways at 1080p) to hit 60fps on a fair lot of then-modern titles in 2013. A 560 Ti still held its own even then, it just so happened that Kepler was just an absolute beast to begin with.

 

But I have to admit, AMD still had a fair lot of struggle that even though they won on certain fronts back then, I am not too sure if I'd count it as a win based on sales performance on where a fair lot of money is to be gained.

But now? How's AMD still behind?

[WangKe]

You mean like this? Yes, no point arguing over a shit port. And this is at least the second time we have argued over a shit port because "team green" finally found a game they can point to and say it runs better on theirs. Yeah, shit runs better on Nvidia, news at 11.

 

I could get more FPS at 4K while taking a shit than that at 1080p. That is a really bad port. Sure, there are some games that ran worse than that (not that I know of, but I'm pretty sure someone would bring it up), but damn...

[Dabombinable]

provide proof.

proof must have been posted/released after september 2015 (as AMDs drivers increased performance A LOT during that time-frame)

Try finding a AAA title other than FO4 that was released after that.

[WangKe]

it runs worse then your average Bethesda + Ubisoft game pooled together

To be fair, Syndicate wasn't as bad as Uniturd.

 

Try finding a AAA title other than FO4 that was released after that.

Why don't you provide proof that your beloved Green cards performs better? Even on "outdated" Digital Foundry benchmarks, Team Red still held its own... and the drivers on AMD were, well, lets say, kind of like waiting for a lost mail-man trying to find your house. But when it came... ohohohohoho, it was good news.

[Dabombinable]

To be fair, Syndicate wasn't as bad as Uniturd.

 

Why don't you provide proof that your beloved Green cards performs better? Even on "outdated" Digital Foundry benchmarks, Team Red still held its own... and the drivers on AMD were, well, lets say, kind of like waiting for a lost mail-man trying to find your house. But when it came... ohohohohoho, it was good news.

There is only 1 AAA game released after September, FO4. And again, Nvidia only holds the lead at 1080p, they get rekt at higher resolutions due to the choice to skimp on the memory bus.

[Prysin]

Try finding a AAA title other than FO4 that was released after that.

just prior to driver release:

Mad Max (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - September 1

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Xbox One, 360, PS4, PS3, PC) - September 1

 

certainly after driver release:

Call of Duty: Black Ops III (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - November 6

Fallout 4 (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - November 10

Star Wars Battlefront (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - November 17

Assassin's Creed Syndicate (PC) - November 19

Just Cause 3 (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - December 1

Rainbow Six: Siege (Xbox One, PS4, PC) - December 1

[SteveGrabowski0]

Hi I know this is a common question and quite boring but I'm just making myself more and more confused trawling the internet...

I desperately need to upgrade my GPU (currently a 650 Ti BOOST) as I've finally upgraded my monitor from an old Dell 19" 1440 x 900 to a Dell 24" 2560x1440. The 650Ti would happily play GTA 5 (which is probably the most demanding game I play) at 1440x900 on High settings with most of the settings near max at around 30-40fps, nothing desirable but certainly playable.

I knew 1440 would be too much for my 650 so I haven't even attempted it since getting the monitor a few weeks ago so now I need a new card, I'm on a fairly tight budget and have around £200-250 to spend on a used card. 

Now I'm struggling between a 970 or a 780 (not a Ti), both are pretty much exactly the same price on the used market and most sources point that the 970 is better and with wanting to play at 1440 the extra VRAM will help but then I went to checkout a video on LLT of the 970 and it came out lower than the 780 in pretty much every test??!  So now I'm super confused, I don't really massively care about the power consumption of the 780 as my PSU has more than enough overhead to handle it and heat is well managed in my case so also not a problem, I just want the best performance for my money, as far as I can tell it seems the main pro of the 970 is the extra .5GB of RAM but the 780 does seem to perform slightly better, well according to the LLT 970 review, elsewhere will have you believe the 970 is the better performer. 

Anyone shed any light?

 

Thanks

 

The 970 is better, it usually lands in between the 780 and 780 Ti in performance and can occasionally beat the 780 Ti in a few games (for example, in Witcher 3). I can't think of any game that a 780 outperforms a 970 in now. About the only thing I can think of that the 780 wins in is the Unigine Valley benchmark, supposedly that is pretty memory intensive and the 780 has greater memory bandwidth.

[Prysin]

There is only 1 AAA game released after September, FO4. And again, Nvidia only holds the lead at 1080p, they get rekt at higher resolutions due to the choice to skimp on the memory bus.

so i disproved you with my last post.... dont give me the "silent treatment"... come on.... you have several of games to choose from

[theereal]

But JC3 has no driver support from AMD yet, so you sound like a Nvidia fanboy. And we both know that's not true so lets stick to games with drivers shall we?

AMD has no drivers for JC3? Whatever youre smoking I want a hit...

[WangKe]

AMD has no drivers for JC3? Whatever youre smoking I want a hit...

Either way, its an ass port.

[Prysin]

AMD has no drivers for JC3? Whatever youre smoking I want a hit...

yes they have drivers.

they also have a few issues with JC3, as per info in their last BETA releases patch notes.

[App4that]

AMD has no drivers for JC3? Whatever youre smoking I want a hit...

Link? I'm on the beta and there's nothing for JC3. So pass that shit over here and stop Bogarting it.

[Maxxtraxx]

I'm sorry Didge3... your simple questions turned into a terrible bludgeonfest. To recap, your question is:

 

Should I get a GTX970 or a GTX780? Right? Simple question. Harder answer.

 

Here at LTT Forums the answer to every graphics card question on every forum post I have read in the last month has been R9 390... and I apologize on behalf of the LTT community for that fact and the flame war that ensued in your thread since.

 

Between the two I have no first hand experience with the GTX780 and over a year of experience using both a single GTX970 G1 and two in SLI. I can say that the GTX970 with a good cooler will overclock extremely well, both of my cards in SLI ran at over 1,500Mhz.

 

It seems to me that with Maxwell(GTX970) there is a lot of free extra performance to be had via overclocking

It seems to me that with Maxwell ONLY 3.5gb(still more than the 780) of Vram is a non issue if you simply configure your game settings correctly, GeForce Experience is Exceptional at doing this free and easy.

It seems to me that with Maxwell you'll have a card that will have greater long term support from Nvidia with drivers vs the 780

It seems to me that with Maxwell you'll have a much lower power requirement and less heat generation.

 

I can definitely recommend the GTX970 as the preferred choice ---IMO--- but, If you're looking used(it seems you are since you're considering the 780) sometimes the best card can be determined by whatever the best deal that you can get is. (I KNOW this first hand, I just last week picked up a Titan X on craigslist for $450... and that price per fps BEATS any new R9 390)

 

Happy hunting and please remember, enjoy whatever you get and don't feel beat down because you don't happen to have or want for whatever reason whatever the most popular card is at the moment.

[theereal]

Link? I'm on the beta and there's nothing for JC3. So pass that shit over here and stop Bogarting it.

All I had to do was google It, youre such a moron... https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=windows+7+-+64

[Clyne]

Doesn't JC3 run like ass anyways on Nvidia cards?

Ground Textures were a Nvidia Exclusive at one point.

Back on topic, I would say a 780 because once Maxwell is abandoned then the 970 is going to perform like shit compared to the 780 which is still hardware competitive and still performs well.

Explain why a GTX 580 still can hold well in current games, it's powerful in hardware wise while a 970 would perform shit after a few years(or driver support is gone) because it's basically a gimped card with it being extremely software optimized.

[App4that]

All I had to do was google It, youre such a moron... https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=windows+7+-+64

So that's how you live your life, calling people names on the internet. Such a tough person to hide behind a keyboard.

 

Read the notes again, nothing about JC3. If I'm missing it, I'm missing it. Have your last words, I'm done with you.

[theereal]

So that's how you live your life, calling people names on the internet. Such a tough person to hide behind a keyboard.

 

Read the notes again, nothing about JC3. If I'm missing it, I'm missing it. Have your last words, I'm done with you.

Hide behind a keyboard? Oh, beacuse you arent doing the same thing? Id be happy to meet In real life, we can arrange that for sure If thats what you want.

[Maxxtraxx]

Ground Textures were a Nvidia Exclusive at one point.

Back on topic, I would say a 780 because once Maxwell is abandoned then the 970 is going to perform like shit compared to the 780 which is still hardware competitive and still performs well.

Explain why a GTX 580 still can hold well in current games, it's powerful in hardware wise while a 970 would perform shit after a few years(or driver support is gone) because it's basically a gimped card with it being extremely software optimized.

 

What does hardware competitive mean?

Is there any evidence that an a 970 will perform terribly in a few years(from past experience maybe)?

Does this also mean that the 980 will perform like crap also since it has the same GPU?

[Clyne]

What does hardware competitive mean?

Is there any evidence that an a 970 will perform terribly in a few years(from past experience maybe)?

Does this also mean that the 980 will perform like crap also since it has the same GPU?

Since Kepler, Nvidia has been removing hardware features from cards for better power consumption. To make up for the loss performance from the lost hardware features, they have specially tuned drivers that tune up the card for it to be "FPS" competitive with other cards out on the market. Maxwell removed more hardware features for better power consumption than Kepler, basically once Nvidia stops driver support(which will be in a few years) then Maxwell will be dead/perform horrible compared to Kepler.

Plus the Titan X sucks at FP64 when a GTX 580 beats it in FP64 in some tasks.

Maxwell is known for poor FP64 performance.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

290 Isnt as strong as the 970

 

Wow you really have a thing for posting outdated info. 

 

 

Hi I know this is a common question and quite boring but I'm just making myself more and more confused trawling the internet...

I desperately need to upgrade my GPU (currently a 650 Ti BOOST) as I've finally upgraded my monitor from an old Dell 19" 1440 x 900 to a Dell 24" 2560x1440. The 650Ti would happily play GTA 5 (which is probably the most demanding game I play) at 1440x900 on High settings with most of the settings near max at around 30-40fps, nothing desirable but certainly playable.

I knew 1440 would be too much for my 650 so I haven't even attempted it since getting the monitor a few weeks ago so now I need a new card, I'm on a fairly tight budget and have around £200-250 to spend on a used card. 

Now I'm struggling between a 970 or a 780 (not a Ti), both are pretty much exactly the same price on the used market and most sources point that the 970 is better and with wanting to play at 1440 the extra VRAM will help but then I went to checkout a video on LLT of the 970 and it came out lower than the 780 in pretty much every test??!  So now I'm super confused, I don't really massively care about the power consumption of the 780 as my PSU has more than enough overhead to handle it and heat is well managed in my case so also not a problem, I just want the best performance for my money, as far as I can tell it seems the main pro of the 970 is the extra .5GB of RAM but the 780 does seem to perform slightly better, well according to the LLT 970 review, elsewhere will have you believe the 970 is the better performer. 

Anyone shed any light?

 

Thanks

 

Yes definitely the 970. Though some 780s when overclocked(to insane extents) just crush everything in their way. For day to day experience the 970 > 780. 

 

I've also seen other cards being thrown is but I'll just leave the relative performance of a fairly recent benchmark from techpowerup.  

 

Spoiler

 

If you're wanting to step up to 1440p. The card I recommend will be the 290x. If you can source for it. As you can see from the figures, the 780 and 970 took a pretty big hit when stepping up the resolution.