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I'm sorry Didge3... your simple questions turned into a terrible bludgeonfest. To recap, your question is:

 

Should I get a GTX970 or a GTX780? Right? Simple question. Harder answer.

 

Here at LTT Forums the answer to every graphics card question on every forum post I have read in the last month has been R9 390... and I apologize on behalf of the LTT community for that fact and the flame war that ensued in your thread since.

 

Between the two I have no first hand experience with the GTX780 and over a year of experience using both a single GTX970 G1 and two in SLI. I can say that the GTX970 with a good cooler will overclock extremely well, both of my cards in SLI ran at over 1,500Mhz.

 

It seems to me that with Maxwell(GTX970) there is a lot of free extra performance to be had via overclocking

It seems to me that with Maxwell ONLY 3.5gb(still more than the 780) of Vram is a non issue if you simply configure your game settings correctly, GeForce Experience is Exceptional at doing this free and easy.

It seems to me that with Maxwell you'll have a card that will have greater long term support from Nvidia with drivers vs the 780

It seems to me that with Maxwell you'll have a much lower power requirement and less heat generation.

 

I can definitely recommend the GTX970 as the preferred choice ---IMO--- but, If you're looking used(it seems you are since you're considering the 780) sometimes the best card can be determined by whatever the best deal that you can get is. (I KNOW this first hand, I just last week picked up a Titan X on craigslist for $450... and that price per fps BEATS any new R9 390)

 

Happy hunting and please remember, enjoy whatever you get and don't feel beat down because you don't happen to have or want for whatever reason whatever the most popular card is at the moment.

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Since Kepler, Nvidia has been removing hardware features from cards for better power consumption. To make up for the loss performance from the lost hardware features, they have specially tuned drivers that tune up the card for it to be "FPS" competitive with other cards out on the market. Maxwell removed more hardware features for better power consumption than Kepler, basically once Nvidia stops driver support(which will be in a few years) then Maxwell will be dead/perform horrible compared to Kepler.

Plus the Titan X sucks at FP64 when a GTX 580 beats it in FP64 in some tasks.

Maxwell is known for poor FP64 performance.

Are these hardware features nonessential to gaming?

Is FP64 performance used heavily in gaming?

Is it right to say that Nvidia's current consumer cards are focused primarily on delivering gaming performance whereas they have an entirely different lineup designed to deliver performance for FP64 and other business/commercial related goals?

What is the oldest card that Nvidia currently supports with drivers?

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Srlsy? Did your lazy ass even bother to check my other comments? -_- wow...

 

Heh. Before you jump on me. Look at the post to which I quoted. Yea... Oh and in case you missed it from the other thread.

 

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The red bar didn't really help you much :/

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Are these hardware features nonessential to gaming?

Is FP64 performance used heavily in gaming?

Is it right to say that Nvidia's current consumer cards are focused primarily on delivering gaming performance whereas they have an entirely different lineup designed to deliver performance for FP64 and other business/commercial related goals?

What is the oldest card that Nvidia currently supports with drivers?

Then what about delta color compression?

What about the 3.5/4GB thing with the memory transfer rate on the GTX 970?

That's one of the things that Maxwell was different from Kepler.

Is it right that the original Titans were for FP64 performance and for gaming while the new Titan is just for gaming?

How do you suppose that Nvidia can actually make a power consumption card while having the same FPS or better FPS than cards before?

The GTX 580 which is a 5 year old card that still has the performance of a GTX 950/Pitcarin because it was hardware powerful, not software powerful. Nvidia still cares about Fermi with driver support, but not much. 

@don_svetlio knows more than me anyway.

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Then what about delta color compression?

What about the 3.5/4GB thing with the memory transfer rate on the GTX 970?

That's one of the things that Maxwell was different from Kepler.

Is it right that the original Titans were for FP64 performance and for gaming while the new Titan is just for gaming?

How do you suppose that Nvidia can actually make a power consumption card while having the same FPS or better FPS than cards before?

The GTX 580 which is a 5 year old card that still has the performance of a GTX 950/Pitcarin because it was hardware powerful, not software powerful. Nvidia still cares about Fermi with driver support, but not much. 

@don_svetlio knows more than me anyway.

Cool, so I see your point. With the production nodes being stuck at 28nm for a few years nvidia has been optimizing the consumer cards for graphics at the cost of removing hardware that is nonessential to that purpose and thus reducing the overall "allround" performance for a very focused graphics goal at the cost of "compute performance/fp64/ect".

Though following nvidia's generational improvement style, that is the performance level of gen A's top tier card being gen B's 2nd place card it would naturally flow 580/670/760/950 so those cards should theoretically all offer a similar level of performance in graphics but as you said at the cost of all round performance.

In my eyes this seems like a wise choice, to optimize your products to do what they are primarily used for above all other goals and it seems their sales and graphics market performance has shown how successful their push to focus on their primary goal has been.

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Ground Textures were a Nvidia Exclusive at one point.

Back on topic, I would say a 780 because once Maxwell is abandoned then the 970 is going to perform like shit compared to the 780 which is still hardware competitive and still performs well.

Explain why a GTX 580 still can hold well in current games, it's powerful in hardware wise while a 970 would perform shit after a few years(or driver support is gone) because it's basically a gimped card with it being extremely software optimized.

A 580 still held its own fairly well by 2013. The thing is that the 680 and the 780 were just, by all means, more powerful.

AMD VS Nvidia = A lost mail man that will do whatever it takes to give you your mail... despite being a few days late... and never realizing that the house that the mail is for was pretty much the first house he started from VS A well dressed, well groomed, well cleaned, and cologned-up donger that just wiggles itself and is the type of guy that makes after-parties a nightmare. Basically its: An idiot that tries VS a jerk that ruins every after-party. Pick your poison.

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used 970 ofc..

RIG #1 : 4670k @4.4 / 1.25v vcore. @ 4.5 / 1.3v vcore/ 1.95v vccin. MSI GAMING 4G GTX 970 @1540/3700 1.275v BIOS MOD. 16GB Kingston HyperX Savage RAM 2400mhz. MSI GAMING 5 Z97 MOBO. Fractal Design Define S. Dark Rock Pro 3. 850 EVO 250GB Seasonic M12II 620w
RIG #2: 4790k @ 4.6 / 1.25v vcore. EVGA SC ACX 2.0 980 SLI. 16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400mhz. Asus MAXIMUS VII Hero Z97. Fractal Design Define R5. NH D15. 850 EVO 250GB AX 860
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