Why Intel isn't soldering a lot of CPU's anymore!

[Lays]

Absolutely amazing article / demonstration about present day cpu soldering, and why Intel hasn't been doing it. 

 

Written by Der8auer, a professional overclocker and extreme overclocking "guru" if you will.  He designs & sells lots of things, including Thermal Grizzly thermal paste, Liquid Nitrogen CPU & GPU & RAM containers, among other things.  He is very well known in the extreme overclocking scene. He's currently the 4th highest ranked overclocker in the world right now, and #2 in Germany.

 

 

I think this is important to spread knowledge about, because I see a lot of people saying things like “What a ripoff – Intel doesn’t even solder a 300 USD CPU” or “Why does intel save 2 USD on soldering”  when in actuality it seems to be for our own good, as well as the products safety/longevity & yield rate. He goes in depth and even talks about soldering a 6700k!

 

 

 

 

Here is the link to the article & source:

 

http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

[WereCat]

They are not only saving on soldering they also not include stock coolers to new K CPUs. It increases their profit greatly.

[afyeung]

 

The 6700k and 4790k were really more consumer oriented CPUs while the 5820k and higher were enthusiast grade and Intel spent more on them

[MrChavelo]

retoast http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/491339-the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

[Lays]

They are not only saving on soldering they also not include stock coolers to new K CPUs. It increases their profit greatly.

 

 

You're missing the point and I think you should read the article before commenting about the subject.

[PlayStation 2]

Safety and longevity?

Eat a dick Intel. Care to explain why Core 2 Extremes and Core 2 Quads have lived for 7-8 years?

[Memories4K]

They are not only saving on soldering they also not include stock coolers to new K CPUs. It increases their profit greatly.

Honestly, that decision only made sense; i mean who uses a K-series CPU and uses the stock Intel cooler?

[TheGamingBarrel]

Honestly, that decision only made sense; i mean who uses a K-series CPU and uses the stock Intel cooler?

What about people with custom loops who need to see if their stuff works?

[LukaP]

Safety and longevity?

Eat a dick Intel. Care to explain why Core 2 Extremes and Core 2 Quads have lived for 7-8 years?

if you bohered to read you will know. ill TLDR. Big die, safe, small die, unsafe.

 

@Lays fuck you that was mine to post

[Lays]

Apparently nobody can read the article before commenting with smart remarks as if they're experts. 

 

 

Safety and longevity?

Eat a dick Intel. Care to explain why Core 2 Extremes and Core 2 Quads have lived for 7-8 years?

 

If you read the article you'd know why they aren't doing it. 

 

 

retoast http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/491339-the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

 

Not sure how it's a repost if I'm the one who made the thread in a different section.

 

Yes I could of asked a mod to move it / delete it before making a new one, but I was told to post it in the news section by another forum member, so I did.

 

 

The 6700k and 4790k were really more consumer oriented CPUs while the 5820k and higher were enthusiast grade and Intel spent more on them

 

read the article. 

[PlayStation 2]

if you bohered to read you will know. ill TLDR. Big die, safe, small die, unsafe.

 

@Lays fuck you that was mine to post

And removing the stock cooler from their CPUs?

[Lays]

And removing the stock cooler from their CPUs?

 

They already said why they weren't doing it, a large percentage of users purchasing the K series weren't using the cooler.

[LukaP]

And removing the stock cooler from their CPUs?

that has nothing to do with the fact soldering will destroy the small dies in time, and is likely an "increase profits, plus noone uses it anyway deal"

[PlayStation 2]

They already said why they weren't doing it, a large percentage of users purchasing the K series weren't using the cooler.

Surely they can throw a cooler in that can actually cool the CPU, you know, what AMD did with their FX 9590.

[Lays]

Surely they can throw a cooler in that can actually cool the CPU, you know, what AMD did with their FX 9590.

 

 

And increase the cost more?   Why would they do that when most people are buying THIRD PARTY coolers?

 

Use your noggin man cmon.

[PlayStation 2]

And increase the cost more?   Why would they do that when most people are buying THIRD PARTY coolers?

 

Use your noggin man cmon.

Like I said, if they included an effective cooler, they'd probably go to use. Use your god damn noggin, because if a company that's bleeding money as we speak can include a damn decent water cooler under a $300 CPU, then Intel could do it too.

[NeatSquidYT]

Safety and longevity?

Eat a dick Intel. Care to explain why Core 2 Extremes and Core 2 Quads have lived for 7-8 years?

Don't think that you really understand what they mean by that.. Also 7-8 years isn't stupidly long.

[SurvivorNVL]

What about people with custom loops who need to see if their stuff works?

If they have a custom loop - odds are they have or can buy the stock fan.

[afyeung]

 

Yep. I read the article. Honestly it's not such a big deal anyways. Most modern CPU's with a decent cooler will get to their voltage limit(the point where you are literally killing the cpu with that much voltage) before they reach anywhere near the temp limit. Only applies to extreme overclockers who need every degree of temp difference

[PlayStation 2]

Don't think that you really understand what they mean by that.. Also 7-8 years isn't stupidly long.

Eh. If the space heaters we call Pentium 4s can survive it, then I don't see why there's a sudden urge to change methods of soldering now.

[LukaP]

Eh. If the space heaters we call Pentium 4s can survive it, then I don't see why there's a sudden urge to change methods of soldering now.

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE

 

Its not the heat its the size, with suck a small die you cant make it mechanically sound as due to epansion forces it will tear itself and the die apart sooner or later

[NeatSquidYT]

They are not only saving on soldering they also not include stock coolers to new K CPUs. It increases their profit greatly.

Really? Is this a new Skylake thing?

[Lays]

Really? Is this a new Skylake thing?

 

Yes, only on the K series I believe.

 

I for one think it's a great idea.  I have like 6 stock coolers sitting on a shelf because I don't want to use an OEM solution if I can use an AIO / 212 evo / custom watercooling loop, or even an Ln2 pot for when I'm doing dry ice overclocking.

 

I know there are craptons of people like me that don't even touch the stock cooler except to throw it in a box or put it on a shelf. And that is what you should do when buying a unlocked overclocking CPU that should be pushed IMO.

[That Norwegian Guy]

The 6700k and 4790k were really more consumer oriented CPUs while the 5820k and higher were enthusiast grade and Intel spent more on them

 

Except Intel invented "extreme" edition out of thin air to create a halo-priced product, downgrading real enthusiast chips to consumer level performance and keeping the price the same. Z-chipset i5 and i7 are enthusiast money. X-chipset i7 is idiot money. Well, it was until the 5820K came along as the first chip to make sense.

 

The Core2Duo E8400 was all you needed as an enthusiast in 2008, cost $180 and overclocked a whole extra Ghz on just the stock cooler. There was nothing above it apart from the exact same chip with slightly higher, pointless, clock speeds.

 

People are quick to forget corporate shenanigans.

[elfensky]

Holy crap that was interesting, I never knew CPU heat dissipation was that complicated.