R9 390 or Gtx 970

[don_svetlio]

Cmon .. back me up here say it for me .. gtx 970

Recommending a lesser product is against my principles

[don_svetlio]

i've been going over all these different threads about this topic... i'm considering the same question myself. i'm doing as much research as i can, but i haven't actually built my own PC yet, so i guess i don't have any first hand experience yet. but as far as i can tell, this discussion is pretty much just Pepsi vs. Coke, right? i mean all-in-all they are both extremely similar? is that a fair statement?

is the basic idea that (on a scale from 1 to 10) one of these cards is an 8 and the other card is an 8 and a half, and people just can't come to a consensus about which is which?

please correct me if i'm wrong... i'm here to learn.

You are both right and wrong - see - the main gripe I have with the 970 is the false specs - it's a 224-bit, 3.5GB, 56 RoP card. Because of the segmented VRAM, when you reach the limit of the 3.5GB of fast VRAM instead of the card starting to cache unneeded files in SYS memory it attempts to use the last 512Mb and thus absurd stuttering follows - this is the reason I would always recommend a 780 Ti over a 970 - because the 780 Ti is not only more powerful but also doesn't have a design flaw associated with it. The 390, on the other hand, had so much VRAM that you will never really need to worry about running out

[Lawliet93]

390 performs better, 970 uses less power, runs cooler, and makes less noise

your CPU bottlenecks both

Well, the amount of noise a Card generates is not affected by the GPU itself. There are plenty of hawaii cards that run quiet (Asus strix, any sapphire card).

[don_svetlio]

Well, the amount of noise a Card generates is not affected by the GPU itself. There are plenty of hawaii cards that run quiet (Asus strix, any sapphire card).

Asus Strix is the loudest 290/390 available - Asus did a VERY bad job of cooling those cards. Sapphire Nitro/Vapor-X/Tri-X or MSI TFV though are good

[Enderman]

Well, the amount of noise a Card generates is not affected by the GPU itself. There are plenty of hawaii cards that run quiet (Asus strix, any sapphire card).

it is though

take a 970 and 390 with the same cooler and fan curve and the 390 will be louder because it outputs more heat

[don_svetlio]

it is though

take a 970 and 390 with the same cooler and fan curve and the 390 will be louder because it outputs more heat

if they have the same fan curve they will produce the same amount of noise friend

Also - Sapphire 390 is quieter than almost all the 970s

[Enderman]

if they have the same fan curve they will produce the same amount of noise friend

Also - Sapphire 390 is quieter than almost all the 970s

Do you know what a fan curve is?

A fan curve is temperature vs rpm.

Higher temperature = fan spins up = more noise.

Two cards with identical coolers and identical fan curves will make noise based on heat output.

A 970 outputs less heat than a 390.

The fan will be spinning at a slower speed, meaning less noise.

 

 

btw this is taking both GPUs EQUALLY with the same cooler

of course an aftermarket cooled 390 will run quieter/cooler than a reference 970

its only fair to compare them with the same cooler

and then the 970 IS quieter than the 390

[don_svetlio]

Do you know what a fan curve is?

A fan curve is temperature vs rpm.

Higher temperature = fan spins up = more noise.

Two cards with identical coolers and identical fan curves will make noise based on heat output.

A 970 outputs less heat than a 390.

The fan will be spinning at a slower speed, meaning less noise.

 

 

btw this is taking both GPUs EQUALLY with the same cooler

of course an aftermarket cooled 390 will run quieter/cooler than a reference 970

its only fair to compare them with the same cooler

and then the 970 IS quieter than the 390

Thing is - the 390, even when comparing MSI vs MSI, comes with a beefier cooler.

[Enderman]

Thing is - the 390, even when comparing MSI vs MSI, comes with a beefier cooler.

Ok...?

That's still not a fair comparison because the coolers are different

 

And why do you think they need to put a beefier cooler on it in the first place? lol isnt it obvious

[don_svetlio]

Ok...?

That's still not a fair comparison because the coolers are different

 

And why do you think they need to put a beefier cooler on it in the first place? lol isnt it obvious

390 kicks out more heat, I am not arguing it's not - I'm saying it's still quiet and cool with the right cooler

[Enderman]

390 kicks out more heat, I am not arguing it's not - I'm saying it's still quiet and cool with the right cooler

Ok well I was arguing that it does put out more heat and therefore will run louder compared to a 970 with an equal cooler.

So if you have nothing to add then I suggest you go research how a fan curve works, because a 970 and 930 with the same cooler and fan curve do not make the same amount of noise

[App4that]

Do you know what a fan curve is?

A fan curve is temperature vs rpm.

Higher temperature = fan spins up = more noise.

Two cards with identical coolers and identical fan curves will make noise based on heat output.

A 970 outputs less heat than a 390.

The fan will be spinning at a slower speed, meaning less noise.

btw this is taking both GPUs EQUALLY with the same cooler

of course an aftermarket cooled 390 will run quieter/cooler than a reference 970

its only fair to compare them with the same cooler

and then the 970 IS quieter than the 390

You mean like when Tech Showdown used a Nitro 390 and a MSI 970 and the 390 kicked the 970's ass? And the 390 was quieter because of the 970's coil whine? Like that?

[Enderman]

You mean like when Tech Showdown used a Nitro 390 and a MSI 970 and the 390 kicked the 970's ass? And the 390 was quieter because of the 970's coil whine? Like that?

1) those are not the same cooler

 

2) only some 970s have coil whine

 

3) were talking about fan speed and cooler noise here, not anything else

 

4) I already said the 390 performs better. That does not change the fact it creates more heat that the cooler needs to dissipate by spinning its fans faster creating more noise

 

5) none of your points proved that the 390 is quieter than a 970 at the same fan curve and cooler, so you're still wrong

[App4that]

1) those are not the same cooler

2) only some 970s have coil whine

3) were talking about fan speed and cooler noise here, not anything else

4) I already said the 390 performs better. That does not change the fact it creates more heat that the cooler needs to dissipate by spinning its fans faster creating more noise

5) none of your points proved that the 390 is quieter than a 970 at the same fan curve and cooler, so you're still wrong

At full load in a stress test the highest my fan speed ever reaches is 40%. Playing Fallout 4, 23%. I keep a very close eye on my PC. You're trying to prove something that has been disproven. The 390 is not a reference 290.

[Spencer1559]

I currently have an fx 6350, gtx 960, and 8gb of ram but i was looking to upgrade this christmas but wasnt sure to go with the 970, or r9 390? Also if my cpu will bottleneck 

those. I will be playing most likely at 1080p for now but will be getting a 1440p monitor soon so the better frames at the resoulution would be better. Thanks!

R9 390 for the money and performance.

[Enderman]

At full load in a stress test the highest my fan speed ever reaches is 40%. Playing Fallout 4, 23%. I keep a very close eye on my PC. You're trying to prove something that has been disproven. The 390 is not a reference 290.

What are you even talking about???

This has nothing to do with what % your fan is at

And you haven't proven me wrong yet

 

Put the identical cooler on a 390  and a 970 with the same fan curve and the 390 is louder because it has a higher TDP and creates more heat.

This is simple logic and thermodynamics. You can't prove physics wrong, that's just how the world works.

 

I highly doubt you have both a 390 and a 970 with the same cooler on both, so your point is irrelevant.

[App4that]

What are you even talking about???

This has nothing to do with what % your fan is at

And you haven't proven me wrong yet

Put the identical cooler on a 390 and a 970 with the same fan curve and the 390 is louder because it has a higher TDP and creates more heat.

This is simple logic and thermodynamics. You can't prove physics wrong, that's just how the world works.

I highly doubt you have both a 390 and a 970 with the same cooler on both, so your point is irrelevant.

Same cooler, same fan curve, same load, and you might have something. What I've been trying to tell you is that's not going to happen because Sapphire doesn't make Nvidia cards and it takes less work for a 390 to run the same game as a 970 because the 390 is a stronger card. So what you're trying to do is pointless outside benchmarks where the 390 might make more heat but thats because it beats the 970.

[Enderman]

Same cooler, same fan curve, same load, and you might have something. What I've been trying to tell you is that's not going to happen because Sapphire doesn't make Nvidia cards and it takes less work for a 390 to run the same game as a 970 because the 390 is a stronger card. So what you're trying to do is pointless outside benchmarks where the 390 might make more heat but thats because it beats the 970.

i dont think you realize that there are thousands of people that builds HTPS or SFF rigs or just plain want something that uses less power and doesnt heat up as much

and disregarding performance, the 970 is better in those aspects

[PlayStation 2]

I am an Nvidia fan because they make efficient reliable cards and the 970 is a great choice because of the facts that it

-Creates less heat output

-Uses less energy

-Quiet fans (on ACX fan cards) 

 

With its similar price tag and similar performance I feel that it would make a great addition to your build

>efficient

>reliable

 

Hmm... support a company that lies about their cards, or support a company where a dollar a year is added to your electric bill.

 

Creates less heat output. This is a flat-out lie and you know this. 980 Ti reference puts out an assload of heat that it can't handle.

Uses less energy. Uhhh... what card?

Quiet fans. Aftermarket, breh. AFTERMARKET

[Morgan MLGman]

Ok well I was arguing that it does put out more heat and therefore will run louder compared to a 970 with an equal cooler.

So if you have nothing to add then I suggest you go research how a fan curve works, because a 970 and 930 with the same cooler and fan curve do not make the same amount of noise

 

 

 

3) were talking about fan speed and cooler noise here, not anything else

 

4) I already said the 390 performs better. That does not change the fact it creates more heat that the cooler needs to dissipate by spinning its fans faster creating more noise

 

5) none of your points proved that the 390 is quieter than a 970 at the same fan curve and cooler, so you're still wrong

 

But they don't have equal coolers, this argument is retarded. The 390 from MSI has a beefier radiator and it runs around the same temperatures as the 970 from MSI, and makes around the same amount of noise as the 970 from MSI (I've had one, It went a little over 70 degrees, just like the MSI 390).

The 390 produces more heat overall and dissipates more into your room, but if you're seriously bothered by that difference, then I'm sorry but it's stupid in my opinion.

None of your points also proved that the 970 is quieter than the 390, comparing two MSI Gaming versions.

[Lawliet93]

Asus Strix is the loudest 290/390 available - Asus did a VERY bad job of cooling those cards. Sapphire Nitro/Vapor-X/Tri-X or MSI TFV though are good

That´s because they are using the NV cooler on AMD cards (guess what, NV and AMD GPUs don't have the same shape)

[App4that]

Are we really arguing over 70w of heat generated by a card that did so because it was out performing the card that made 70w less heat? I need more coffee.

[don_svetlio]

That´s because they are using the NV cooler on AMD cards (guess what, NV and AMD GPUs don't have the same shape)

Yep - half the heatpipes of the Fury Cooler Asus used on the 980 Ti don't even make contact lol

[Enderman]

But they don't have equal coolers, this argument is retarded. The 390 from MSI has a beefier radiator and it runs around the same temperatures as the 970 from MSI, and makes around the same amount of noise as the 970 from MSI (I've had one, It went a little over 70 degrees, just like the MSI 390).

The 390 produces more heat overall and dissipates more into your room, but if you're seriously bothered by that difference, then I'm sorry but it's stupid in my opinion.

None of your points also proved that the 970 is quieter than the 390, comparing two MSI Gaming versions.

well first of all, you must be really immature if you have to use that kind of language to make a point

grow up please

 

second, if your argument is "oh it has a bigger cooler" theres nothing preventing you from getting a 970 with also a bigger cooler, and then it will still run quieter

 

third, if you bothered to use your eye to read, you would see I never said anything about heat being released into your room. It's about gpu fans spinning faster due to more heat which in turn means more noise

it does lead to hotter components throughout the rest of the PC, but thats not what I'm talking about right now

 

its about the fact that the 390 has a higher tdp, which produces more heat, and leads to higher noise levels when compared EQUALLY to a 970

maybe you dont know what equal means though, but i wont bother explaining something that most people already understand

[Morgan MLGman]

well first of all, you must be really immature if you have to use that kind of language to make a point

grow up please

 

second, if your argument is "oh it has a bigger cooler" theres nothing preventing you from getting a 970 with also a bigger cooler, and then it will still run quieter

 

third, if you bothered to use your eye to read, you would see I never said anything about heat being released into your room. It's about gpu fans spinning faster due to more heat which in turn means more noise

it does lead to hotter components throughout the rest of the PC, but thats not what I'm talking about right now

 

its about the fact that the 390 has a higher tdp, which produces more heat, and leads to higher noise levels when compared EQUALLY to a 970

maybe you dont know what equal means though, but i wont bother explaining something that most people already understand

Show me the quietest GTX 970, then the quietest R9 390, the difference will be negligible, if existant at all. Same goes for temperatures.

Another thing where you're wrong is TDP, it's not something that you should look at too much. It's a number that the lead engineer of the GPU (in this case) decided there should be, just like that, it's like literally one person decided "this card is going to be a 250W one".

Radiators in 390's are beefier so fans spin at the same speed. They simply are, there is no "if they were the same", they are bigger. Which doesn't mean anything since noise and temp levels are the same. - you do not seem to comprehend that point, but well, some people are just... limited.