CPU ect aaarrrggghhh

[zane1214]

Ok so I need some help. :blink: :unsure:  I really wonna upgrade my whole system i,e CPU GPU motherboard ext.

 

I have just bought a "Radeon R9 290 TRi-X oc" for gaming (doh) I bought this card mainly because of the price point less than £200 (second hand) And because of the review by Linus Sebastian .

 

This topic is to help me shop/setup further.

 

Firstly CPU: I currently run a unlocked "AMD FX-4130"  (unclocked as I wouldnt know were to begin) And bought a few years back because well the guy at the shop said I should :wacko: .  I have been looking at the "AMD FX-8350" only because its an 8 core and seems better than what I have. Is this a good upgrade or should I look at something else? I refuse point blank to sepend stupid amounts of money (stupid to me anyway) So my buget is like £100-£130.

 

Second Motherboard: Currently I use a "Gigabyte GA-78LMT" I have no idea what would be a good budget replacement. Should I even upgrade?

 

Thirdly PSU: I use an "Artic Red+ 750w" Dont think I need to change this anytime soon.

 

Forthly RAM: I have 8G dual DDR3 at 1333MHz by "zeppelin"  I know faster is better :rolleyes:

 

Fifth CPU Cooler; I have bought (not yet recieved) a "Be quiet Dark rock pro 3" Because it has great cooling looks awsome and dosen't cost the earth ot liquid cooling prices.

 

So I think thats all, I dont know what else I need just now. As am sure you can all see I dont know that much about computing. I have a basic knowledge and understanding. And I am on a tite budget. I dont do brands ie I dont need all my hardware to be "Corsair" I am happy to go less popular brands like "Zepplin"

 

I want to run the latest games such as "Fallout 4" "Black ops 3" the new assasins creed ect. This machine will be for gaming only nothing more. I use other machines for well other things.

 

Help guys I have no idea were to look what to get or what the hell do :blink: And I must apologize if this post is all over the place and makes little sence.

[Nacho Marco Segui]

For gaming,better get a locked i5 like the 4460 and a cheap mobo,the 8350 its not worth it

[astranger200]

amd fxs are bad... if u are buying a new motherboard anyway go intel (i5 4460 is good)

the ram is fine... leave it as it is.

not much clue about mobo, but a cheap h81 one will be fine as u cant overclock the i5 anyway...

[Sir Asvald]

For gaming,better get a locked i5 like the 4460 and a cheap mobo,the 8350 its not worth it

 

 

amd fxs are bad... if u are buying a new motherboard anyway go intel (i5 4460 is good)

the ram is fine... leave it as it is.

not much clue about mobo, but a cheap h81 one will be fine as u cant overclock the i5 anyway...

 

For gaming,better get a locked i5 like the 4460 and a cheap mobo,the 8350 its not worth it

He can't afford it. Has a budget of £100-130

For gaming,better get a locked i5 like the 4460 and a cheap mobo,the 8350 its not worth it

He can't afford it. Has a budget of £100-130

[JebKerman]

was the 130 pounds for just the chip or the entire thing?

 

I'll leave this here regardless (in case you're wonder why there's a PSU in there, apparently the one you currently have could be dangerous:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£156.81 @ Ebuyer) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H DDR3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£59.94 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£49.92 @ More Computers) 

Total: £266.67

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:46 GMT+0000

[comicsansms]

Forthly RAM: I have 8G dual DDR3 at 1333MHz by "zeppelin"  I know faster is better :rolleyes:

Isn't that the brand that has yellow PCB's and their website is very broken and is hosted on blogspot?

[JebKerman]

Isn't that the brand that has yellow PCB's and their website is very broken and is hosted on blogspot?

wouldn't be surprised as the build can be summed up as "Cheap ****" nothing more nothing less. (aside from the incoming 290 which is "good ****")

[ybriK]

 

was the 130 pounds for just the chip or the entire thing?

 

I'll leave this here regardless (in case you're wonder why there's a PSU in there, apparently the one you currently have could be dangerous:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£156.81 @ Ebuyer) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H DDR3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£59.94 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£49.92 @ More Computers) 

Total: £266.67

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:46 GMT+0000

 

An i5-4460 Haswell is the better choice for his budget, barely any difference in single-thread performance and it is cheaper.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2230&cmp[]=2599

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4460/3513vs2310

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1363

[comicsansms]

wouldn't be surprised as the build can be summed up as "Cheap ****" nothing more nothing less. (aside from the incoming 290 which is "good ****")

Yep it is:

http://zeppelinmemorymodules.blogspot.com.au/

 

That ram probably needs to go. (Thinking about it, everything but the cooler and the GPU needs to go)

[Coaxialgamer]

Given your budget get an 8350 or 8320 and overclock it.

Also get another psu, yours is sketchy.

[Nena Trinity]

I say your best options rigth now is 860K(not a huge upgrade), i3-6100 or i5-4460!

[zane1214]

Wow didnt expect so many comments. Thanks guys, new this was the place to ask.

 

Ok first things first, Why is my brand new PSU so bad?? I literally got it two months ago.

 

Am at my work just now and this damed network bloxx everything of interest.

 

When I said £100-£130 budget I was referring to the CPU alone.

 

I have no idea what a Mobo is but the i5 I know of. Are they any good? And I have little interest in overclocking (just now anyway)

 

Think am more confused now than ever lol. But this is a big help guys thanks.

[zane1214]

Isn't that the brand that has yellow PCB's and their website is very broken and is hosted on blogspot?

 

They have a green PCB board but a yellow sticker. I didnt get it from there website but from a distributor in Edinburgh.

 

 

I say your best options rigth now is 860K(not a huge upgrade), i3-6100 or i5-4460!

 

The i5 is only a 3.2GHz chip is that better than my AMD 3.8GHz?

[Dougieman1001]

Personally I had a similar situation to you, I opted with the 8350 and Its great for the price, Handles lots of my tasks really well, and I have the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0, I The MoBo has Tones of features and I would recommend But, The 8350 Can chuck out a lot of heat.

 

MoBo = Motherboard

[Dougieman1001]

Just an Idea, research more unknown brands before buying with them, the more mainstream brands are trusted for safety etc, etc,  

[ApolloX75]

The i5 is only a 3.2GHz chip is that better than my AMD 3.8GHz?

Clock speed is not the be all end all anymore. Architecture and feature setups are just as important. An i5 4460 can go toe to toe with a FX 9590 and win.

Also with your GA78 motherboard you will never be able to run an FX 8350 stable. Even at stock. Those boards are garbage and were originally built to handle the Phenom II.

So either way you would need a new motherboard. Might as well switch to an Intel setup.

[Nena Trinity]

The i5 is only a 3.2GHz chip is that better than my AMD 3.8GHz?

The i5 has better IPC also the i3 is also much better! Bulldozer is kinda the weakest CPU AMD made in modern times!

[zane1214]

Ok kl so an i5 it is then. Found them for around £120 which seems ok. I new i would need a new MoBo (lol) just not sure what to get.

am always happy to take advice as i dont wonna buy crap. I had the idea to stick with amd as my gpu is amd but if all you guys are suggesting intel for CPU then intel it is.

oh and when it comes to architecture ect i get more lost than a .....really lost person lol

[zane1214]

Ok so done some research on the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 and i think ill be getting this. What cpu though? Should i stick with amd and go fx 8150/8350 or should i go intel i5 4460?? Never thought i would need this kinda help with a dam computer.

[JebKerman]

Ok so done some research on the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 and i think ill be getting this. What cpu though? Should i stick with amd and go fx 8150/8350 or should i go intel i5 4460?? Never thought i would need this kinda help with a dam computer.

That's about 70% of what this forum is used for.

 

ah, that board + either of those chips sends your budget to about 260 pounds:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£133.00 @ Aria PC) 

Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (£129.98 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £262.98

 

That's unfortunately for the above part sends it into this guy's territory:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£169.98 @ Amazon UK) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£86.94 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £256.92

 

and the 4690K, even at stock speeds blows the FX8350 out of the water (even when the FX is OCed) but the 4690K can also be OCed, leaving the FX in the dust.

[Elehat]

You need a different mobo for Intel and and AMD processors. For the i5, you need an h81, h97 or z97 board, the one you picked is for AMD. You won't need a z board if single card no over clock. Look at the specs of the h chip set boards and pick the cheapest one with the stuff you need. H81 compromises vs h97 are 2 dimms, fewer USB and pcie 2.

[zane1214]

That's about 70% of what this forum is used for.

 

ah, that board + either of those chips sends your budget to about 260 pounds:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£133.00 @ Aria PC) 

Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (£129.98 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £262.98

 

That's unfortunately for the above part sends it into this guy's territory:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£169.98 @ Amazon UK) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£86.94 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £256.92

 

and the 4690K, even at stock speeds blows the FX8350 out of the water (even when the FX is OCed) but the 4690K can also be OCed, leaving the FX in the dust.

 

 

The budget I firsft posted was CPU only as that was all I really looked at behond GPUs. But am sure I could find an i5 somewere cheaper. I did like how beefy sabertooth mobo looks. See I just want a good machin that can play my games, I know thats not always as easy as "...well buy this and your set." I just wish it was.

[zane1214]

You need a different mobo for Intel and and AMD processors. For the i5, you need an h81, h97 or z97 board, the one you picked is for AMD. You won't need a z board if single card no over clock. Look at the specs of the h chip set boards and pick the cheapest one with the stuff you need. H81 compromises vs h97 are 2 dimms, fewer USB and pcie 2.

 

 

Thats a great help, Though I only have the one GPU just now I would like to double it up. And I only dont OC as I have little idea were to start other than what I'v seen Linus do on his chanles.

 

Like I said before I did want to stick with the one company ie AMD however I'll go with whats best and if thats like most of you have said, intel i5 4650 then intel it is ill just need to save a littel as my cracking NHS wage aint really so cracking.

 

I'll have a look for the best i5 I can afford and go from there.

[Elehat]

Thats a great help, Though I only have the one GPU just now I would like to double it up. And I only dont OC as I have little idea were to start other than what I'v seen Linus do on his chanles.

 

Like I said before I did want to stick with the one company ie AMD however I'll go with whats best and if thats like most of you have said, intel i5 4650 then intel it is ill just need to save a littel as my cracking NHS wage aint really so cracking.

 

I'll have a look for the best i5 I can afford and go from there.

Both second card and overclock not really worth it for value builds; 290X very power hungry so 2 makes 750W super sketchy, and you'd also need to spend more on a high end board with x8/x8 PCIe. Also 2 cards not = double performance. For overclock it's actually not that difficult, but you'd need to by a z version mobo and a k version cpu, both of which cost more; i5 4xxx is very solid for gaming with 290X anyway. Intel + Radeon is perfectly fine (I run this), as is AMD + Nvidia, no real issues there.  

One more thing that mught bum you out; operating system. If you use windows and it's an OEM version then you may have difficulty changing mobos, as MS counts that as a new computer. Depends but in this circumstance you may need a new OS as well. Sucks but you'd ned to buy the same stuff for a passable amd cpu too.

[zane1214]

Both second card and overclock not really worth it for value builds; 290X very power hungry so 2 makes 750W super sketchy, and you'd also need to spend more on a high end board with x8/x8 PCIe. Also 2 cards not = double performance. For overclock it's actually not that difficult, but you'd need to by a z version mobo and a k version cpu, both of which cost more; i5 4xxx is very solid for gaming with 290X anyway. Intel + Radeon is perfectly fine (I run this), as is AMD + Nvidia, no real issues there.  

One more thing that mught bum you out; operating system. If you use windows and it's an OEM version then you may have difficulty changing mobos, as MS counts that as a new computer. Depends but in this circumstance you may need a new OS as well. Sucks but you'd ned to buy the same stuff for a passable amd cpu too.

 

I took OS into acount. so figured since I am gonna end up making a new machine anyway I would start from scratch and even go SSD for the os. I plan on using WIN 8

As far as doubling up GPUs it was only an idea and like you say more GPUs dosent necessary mean more power other than consumption.

 

Throughout this entire threed I have been all over the place, AMD Intel AMD and so on however, I think i5 and the Z97S are the way to go. Yes its more than I first thought but at least I wont need to upgrade again tomorrow (I hope).

Think the whole machione will take me a few months to build. Means gathering the parts one buy one.