4460 or 6400?

[asiancorruption]

Hey guys, I still can't figure out if I should go with Haswell or Skylake. the decision is based on these 2 processors only, because they're really similarity priced, both builds, which are spec'd out similarity, ddr4 ram and mobo aside. The haswell build comes out to $1k even, and the skylake build comes out to $1043 CAD after taxes. The gpu i'm planning to pair is the 380 4gb. so, does the lower base clock on the 6400 matter against the 4460, or is the 6400 better performing overall despite this?

[PlayStation 2]

just go skylake imo, actually have an upgrade path then

[Enderman]

the 6400 is better, skylake has much better single core performance than haswell

you also have more upgrade options in the future, including new i7 processors, ddr4 ram, etc

[Paytend01]

Skylake!

[79wjd]

just go skylake imo, actually have an upgrade path then

It's the same upgrade path as Haswell, although locked Skylake systems aren't that much more, so I'd consider going Skylake; but you'd also be better off going with a 4460 and putting that $40 you saved towards an R9 390. 

 

 

the 6400 is better, skylake has much better single core performance than haswell

you also have more upgrade options in the future, including new i7 processors, ddr4 ram, etc

The single threaded performance isn't much better, especially if you're comparing a 6400 (base 2.7 boost to 3.3ghz) to a 4460 (3.2 to 3.4ghz) -- if the chip/board is happy to run all cores at full boost, then the 6400 is faster (by a small margin), otherwise they're more or less even. 

[Guest]

Skylake has a much better upgrade path since you can utilize the DDR4 support in the future

You will also see slightly better performance in CPU intensive applications that utilize single-core performance

[Dabombinable]

just go skylake imo, actually have an upgrade path then

If I remember correctly there will be at least 2 more generations on Skylake's platform (unless the FIVR from Haswell is improved upon and suddenly brought back)

[SteveGrabowski0]

Hey guys, I still can't figure out if I should go with Haswell or Skylake. the decision is based on these 2 processors only, because they're really similarity priced, both builds, which are spec'd out similarity, ddr4 ram and mobo aside. The haswell build comes out to $1k even, and the skylake build comes out to $1043 CAD after taxes. The gpu i'm planning to pair is the 380 4gb. so, does the lower base clock on the 6400 matter against the 4460, or is the 6400 better performing overall despite this?

 

I'd get the 6400 myself to be able to run DDR4, especially since the quadcore turbo on the 6400 is only 100 MHz lower than the quadcore turbo on the 4460. My experience with Haswell is my Xeon E3-1231v3 either runs at 800 MHz for power saving when under light loads, the full 3.6 GHz when under quadcore load, the full 3.7 GHz under tricore load, and the full 3.8 GHz under single/dualcore load. If Skylake behaves similarly then the 6400 would almost certainly be the better chip.

[SteveGrabowski0]

It's the same upgrade path as Haswell, although locked Skylake systems aren't that much more, so you may as well take advantage of the slightly improved cpu. 

 

I don't know, it looks like Intel is going to be on LGA 1151 until 2018. It's unlikely that Kaby Lake or Cannonlake will offer a compelling reason to upgrade unless the op wants to go for a different class of processor (e.g., he finds the need for an i7), but I think that's still a better upgrade path than Haswell had since Broadwell essentially never released on desktop.

[79wjd]

I don't know, it looks like Intel is going to be on LGA 1151 until 2018. It's unlikely that Kaby Lake or Cannonlake will offer a compelling reason to upgrade unless the op wants to go for a different class of processor (e.g., he finds the need for an i7), but I think that's still a better upgrade path than Haswell had since Broadwell essentially never released on desktop.

Broadwell-K cpus were released, and the upgrading to a 6700k/7700k (rather than a 4790k) won't ultimately make all that much of a difference -- i.e. neither option is going to significantly affect when he'll need to buy a new system. So with the upgrade paths offering performance benefits within margin of error, I would go with the cheaper route and put the excess money towards a better GPU/better CPU (i.e. in OPs case I'd go with the 4460 and put that $43 towards a 390 (or as a more general case, put that $43 towards a 4690k/better GPU).

[FruitBasketSilex]

You gotta get the combination of 6s and 4s correct.

[asiancorruption]

You gotta get the combination of 6s and 4s correct.

Elaborate on that?

[SteveGrabowski0]

Broadwell-K cpus were released, and the upgrading to a 6700k/7700k (rather than a 4790k) won't ultimately make all that much of a difference -- i.e. neither option is going to significantly affect when he'll need to buy a new system. So with the upgrade paths offering performance benefits within margin of error, I would go with the cheaper route and put the excess money towards a better GPU/better CPU (i.e. in OPs case I'd go with the 4460 and put that $43 towards a 390 (or as a more general case, put that $43 towards a 4690k/better GPU).

 

The 5765c and 5775c never got any kind of retail release in the US, and there are rumors of an octacore Cannonlake processor. I'd like to have the option of the newer platform in case AMD can hit Intel hard with Zen and force Intel to upgrade their virtual or physical core counts in response, or perhaps add more cache or upgrade clockspeeds. I doubt Zen will be able to force anything like that out of Intel, but it's always nice to hedge your bets for an uncertain future if it's not going to cost you much more in either dollars now or performance now to do so. In this case I feel like $43 CAD isn't a lot of money to spend to have the more flexible platform. And the faster DDR4 RAM is a nice bonus.

[asiancorruption]

The 5765c and 5775c never got any kind of retail release in the US, and there are rumors of an octacore Cannonlake processor. I'd like to have the option of the newer platform in case AMD can hit Intel hard with Zen and force Intel to upgrade their virtual or physical core counts in response, or perhaps add more cache or upgrade clockspeeds. I doubt Zen will be able to force anything like that out of Intel, but it's always nice to hedge your bets for an uncertain future if it's not going to cost you much more in either dollars now or performance now to do so. In this case I feel like $43 CAD isn't a lot of money to spend to have the more flexible platform.

Thats what i was thinking, i was trying to debate weather or not the difference was worth spending on. Cause everyone says "oh, you can spend x amount of money more and get x" i found a 6400 for $194 open box so im actually saving money if i get that.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Thats what i was thinking, i was trying to debate weather or not the difference was worth spending on. Cause everyone says "oh, you can spend x amount of money more and get x" i found a 6400 for $194 open box so im actually saving money if i get that.

 

Open box as in shitty 90 day warranty instead of the standard 3 year warranty? I wouldn't buy that.

[asiancorruption]

Open box as in shitty 90 day warranty instead of the standard 3 year warranty? I wouldn't buy that.

Even if its from ncix? I didnt know that open box determines a products manufacturer warranty. If it does, well shit.

[FruitBasketSilex]

Elaborate on that?

4460 and 6400 are both combinations of 6s and 4s (and 0s) I'm tired, and it was a shitty attempt at a joke. :3

[SteveGrabowski0]

Broadwell-K cpus were released, and the upgrading to a 6700k/7700k (rather than a 4790k) won't ultimately make all that much of a difference -- i.e. neither option is going to significantly affect when he'll need to buy a new system. So with the upgrade paths offering performance benefits within margin of error, I would go with the cheaper route and put the excess money towards a better GPU/better CPU (i.e. in OPs case I'd go with the 4460 and put that $43 towards a 390 (or as a more general case, put that $43 towards a 4690k/better GPU).

 

Also, I don't think there is a better GPU than the R9 380 4GB the op could get for $43 CAD. The difference between an R9 380 4GB and an R9 390 is about $120 CAD. It's kind of the same situation that made me pick a Xeon E3-1231v3. I needed a locked processor because I was already using an H81 board and there was no GPU better than the GTX 970 out at the time for $50 more, so I spend the $50 extra on the E3-1231v3 over the i5-4590 just in case game parallelization ever improves over my system's lifetime. It was hedging a bet when I had nowhere to go on the GPU other than dropping another $200 to get a 980.

[79wjd]

The 5765c and 5775c never got any kind of retail release in the US, and there are rumors of an octacore Cannonlake processor. I'd like to have the option of the newer platform in case AMD can hit Intel hard with Zen and force Intel to upgrade their virtual or physical core counts in response, or perhaps add more cache or upgrade clockspeeds. I doubt Zen will be able to force anything like that out of Intel, but it's always nice to hedge your bets for an uncertain future if it's not going to cost you much more in either dollars now or performance now to do so. In this case I feel like $43 CAD isn't a lot of money to spend to have the more flexible platform. And the faster DDR4 RAM is a nice bonus.

You can still get 5765c/5775c in the US, it's just that nothing big was ever made of them. Does LGA1151 even support more than four cores (does it even have the pins that would be required to handle a hexa/octa core cpu)? I really doubt we're going to say a hexacore cpu on the mainstream platform for at least two more generations (so Kaby Lake at the earliest), and I wouldn't expect an octacore until sometime after that. I also don't really foresee Zen being this miracle chip that blows Intel out of the water -- at best it will probably be on par with whatever Intel has to offer. Cache, meh; and clockspeeds are kind of irrelevant since any upgrade from an i5 should be to an unlocked cpu anyway. Well, $43 could put OP a nice bit closer to a 390, so, I'd rather take a 390+4460 anyday. 

 

 

Also, I don't think there is a better GPU than the R9 380 4GB the op could get for $43 CAD. The difference between an R9 380 4GB and an R9 390 is about $120 CAD. It's kind of the same situation that made me pick a Xeon E3-1231v3. I needed a locked processor because I was already using an H81 board and there was no GPU better than the GTX 970 out at the time for $50 more, so I spend the $50 extra on the E3-1231v3 over the i5-4590 just in case game parallelization ever improves over my system's lifetime. It was hedging a bet when I had nowhere to go on the GPU other than dropping another $200 to get a 980.

Well, fuck Canada. 290 then? Anyway, I'd say the same applies here, he could put that $43 towards a better cpu rather than a similar cpu on a new platform. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Even if its from ncix? I didnt know that open box determines a products manufacturer warranty. If it does, well shit.

 

Seems like it should still have the manufacturer's warranty. I'd go for it then.

 

http://www.ncix.com/article.php?mode=openbox

[79wjd]

Seems like it should still have the manufacturer's warranty. I'd go for it then.

 

http://www.ncix.com/article.php?mode=openbox

I would want to get some clarification on this first: 

 

 

in addition to any remaining manufacturer's warranty that's available. -NCIX

 

ALSO, keep in mind, an open box CPU may NOT come with the stock cooler (unless it explicitly says it does on the website -- I didn't check). 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Well, fuck Canada. 290 then? Anyway, I'd say the same applies here, he could put that $43 towards a better cpu rather than a similar cpu on a new platform. 

 

Sadly the cheap 290s are pretty much dead. You can get a PowerColor PCS+ R9 390 cheaper than any 290 listed on ca.pcpartpicker.com other than the shitty reference 290. I'm not a stickler for a quiet system, but that card would drive me nuts and I'd much rather have a weaker 380 just to not have that high pitched sound of the fan.

[SteveGrabowski0]

I would want to get some clarification on this first: 

 

Yeah, probably should check that first.

[asiancorruption]

I would want to get some clarification on this first:

ALSO, keep in mind, an open box CPU may NOT come with the stock cooler (unless it explicitly says it does on the website -- I didn't check).

Afaik it does. It is final sale tho so i have to think About it.

[Coaxialgamer]

Considering the 4460 runs at a higher clock and and has only a amall difference in ipc, i would suggest the 4460, but the skylake chip has abetter upgrade path.