Pascal... 10 times faster? your opinion...

[Epiclol86]

So, Pascal gpu's are coming, and it is said that they will be 10 times faster than the current maxwell. With HBM and BALLIN amounts of VRAM (i think 32 gbs was mentionned somewhere). Coming in 2016, these gpu's bring up different questions that i feel we should discuss:

 

1: do you think, from your experience, or from some info, that they will be that big of a leap (like if everybody will switch automatically to them)

 

2: do you think that a range of differently powerfull and differently priced cards will come out, or a single immensly powerfull enthusiast gigallion dollars card?

 

3: should someone that wants to upgrade wait for pascal in 2016, or buy a cheap card now that will do the job, and wait a few years for the pascal cards to be less expensive, or just wait for the first pascal card and buy it?

 

4: (i had to do it) do you think this architechture will end amd's claim on the gpu market? (There you go, you now have a reason to wage a violent war of the manufacturers! )

 

 

hoping to get usefull discussions!

[Mujteba]

Waiting for Pascall, Cannonlake and Windows 12 before upgrading

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/jk

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

10 times faster on paper, probably.

In games, probably not. 

[ozziestig]

Why does everyone think that Pascal will be 10x faster then Maxwell, Nvidia didn't say that, they said it would be 10x faster at workstation stuff, programs that use the gpu.

Pascal will be probably the usual increase in performance.

[Sors]

I really can't see either AMD nor Nvidia releasing something so much faster than current GPUs.  Unless is a multi thousand card for professionals and crazy enthusiasts.

 

It does not benefit them to stop sales of any other models they manufacture, because people will only want to buy the new one.

[Jerakl]

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[Virtual01]

If either Nvidia or AMD are sitting on a card that is literally 10 times faster than the current stuff, we won't see it for a loooooong time. Why would they sell us something 10x faster right now when they can sell us something 2x faster, then something 3x faster the next year, then something 4x faster the next year, etc?

[manikyath]

10 times faster in something maxwell wasnt designed to do.

 

its all in how you market things

[Helly]

If it can be 10x faster it womt be and pascal will be here for at least 8 years. Cuz they will milk it dry before they max it out. So in that case expect an insane amount of cards with pascal on them. And 32 GB? Not going to happen, only on quadro and titan MAYBE. Not on the normal cards. MAYBE 16gb there. Expect only 8Gb there or 12. I can just smell the rebadge coming in 2018 with just more vram.

[vXhanz]

10x faster than current gen? Depends on the application. I think they will run into issues with heat that will need to be addressed, and they won't release anything that will eat into their current gen cards. An incremental release, sure, but nothing earth shattering. 

[Epiclol86]

also do you see current gen getting HBM in the future?

[Commander_Z]

i think the 10x performance boost is in compute based work.

 

But whether that 10x performance is true or not, only time will tell.

 

Sure, it'll be faster, but we'll by how much

[Fictionvl]

Jayztwocents made a video about this, it's not 10x faster gaming wise, it has 10x the compute power of the older cards

[Kyzer]

10 times faster than a 450.

kek

 

basically they mean its 10x faster than their old junk, in reality its like 1.5x faster than a 980 at most

[Kyzer]

and also no, amd's making a big comeback in 2016 with cpu's and their gpus are starting to top nvidia's titans at <half price, plus CCC is starting to get a lot more useful for gpu features which is awesome

[swifty7]

10x faster....yeah!!  I believe it when I see it.  I was one of those who was willing to wait for Pascal if it came out early next year but it looks like it will come out either 3QT or early 2017.   So! I bought myself EVGA b-stock 980 now for cheap and just enjoy it until I feel the need to upgrade again. 

[Hiebly]

10x better at compute tasks... An area where Maxwell sucked

[TheMechEngineer]

It doesn't matter what the difference will be, there's ten thousands if not hundred thousands of people who will upgrade just for the sake of getting newer components.

[D-Dos Dan]

Well it's a 28nm jump to 16nm so it has some potential, as that's almost* half the fabrication size which is almost* 4x the density, so it has potential, but I doubt they will load it up too much, and save space for extra transistors and cores for the refresh, if you're looking for a rough estimation on what to expect from it, look at the jump from the GTX 580 to 680, it really wasn't anything too special.

[Praesi]

Vegeta told me he think it will be over 9000 times faster.

[-rascal-]

also do you see current gen getting HBM in the future?

 

Current Gen GPUs cannot have HBM.

You basically need to completely redesign the chip for HBM to be integrated.

 

HBM is MUCH different from GDDRx.

[Thorium19]

I don't think as many people will upgrade to pascal, purely because so many went for maxwell and it's too short a time to need to upgrade, as it won't be 10x faster at gaming, only in specific synthetic tests nvidia will have put it through that have a bias towards it. Kepler users like myself will probably upgrade, I know I would like to get the 1060 or whatever they call it, as it should be a significant step up over my 770.

[Prysin]

@Epiclol86

pascal is said to have 10x the COMPUTE of Maxwell...

but 10x nothing is still nothing.....

[Prysin]

I don't think as many people will upgrade to pascal, purely because so many went for maxwell and it's too short a time to need to upgrade, as it won't be 10x faster at gaming, only in specific synthetic tests nvidia will have put it through that have a bias towards it. Kepler users like myself will probably upgrade, I know I would like to get the 1060 or whatever they call it, as it should be a significant step up over my 770.

Get a R9 390X. It will be faster then 1060 or whatever... have more VRAM, have equal or better compute, and it is a concept that works.

remember pascal is Nvidias first shot at a HBM consumer product. This is their FIRST attempt, and while i do not doubt that they will succeed, there has yet to be a Nvidia product featuring this sort of setup before...

Remember, Nvidia cards has always had narrow busses, super narrow.... Now opening the floodgates to a 4096bit bus with 1-2GB/s speeds is a big step for them

[Nishizumi]

I'm pretty sure they meant 10x faster at compute than Maxwell since it kinda sucked at compute.