Thoughts on AMD

[QueenDemetria]

Isn't PowerPC a shitty prebuild company? That dude doesn't know what he is talking about...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC

 

You must be thinking of PowerSpec, lol. I worked at the store that sold those machines, its sad to see them go...

 

TL;DR: PowerPC is an architecture, just like x86 or ARM, but IBM is really the only one that uses and produces it. Its used in servers mostly, however Apple used it before moving over to Intel, and both of the last generation consoles used it(Xbox 360 and PS3). Its not really inferior to x86, just different.

[Ryoutarou97]

I wasn't even trying to talk about PC vs Console, I just said that if AMD stopped delivering chips to Sony/Microsoft more people would get a PC therefor more graphics card/CPU's/APU's would be sold.

 

Maybe AMD could focus on mobile market, Nvidia Shield Tablet is still one of the best tablets out there and at 299$ quite cheap

I'm sure they have signed something so they have to keep providing and Microsoft/sony have to keep buying. Even if they could, why? It's not like they're going to stop making Xbox's because AMD stopped supplying chips. I'm sure Nvidia wouldn't mind too much. Or Intel, even. But let's say no more consoles are made and everyone who would buy one decides to build a PC instead. 75% (80 now, was it?) of those would go towards Nvidia. So they have to make 4-5x as much per chip as they do on each one that goes into the xbox, and not everyone is going to buy the expensive chips.

 

Do you want an AMD tablet? Or do you mean mobile chips? Intel is much more efficient at this point than AMD. Anyone who goes with an intel chip can either cut costs on the battery or pay the same and make a better device because it goes longer without a charge. Why go AMD?

 

Not that I think they're going to die out. Zen should be about on par with haswell, and 400 series is looking really promising especially as APUs go.

[airdeano]

ok, seems we've wandered into another realm other than thoughts on AMD.

can we drop the anti-console and demeaning attacks others others, please.

[PlayStation 2]

Still don't understand how people:

 

"Oh I am on a low budget but I REFUSE to look at second hand cards." I saw a second hand GTX 680 for 100€ today.

There's nothing wrong with buying used but some people would just rather have something new. If buying used parts didn't matter to me, I would probably wind up with a really decent build

[cesrai]

There's nothing wrong with buying used but some people would just rather have something new. If buying used parts didn't matter to me, I would probably wind up with a really decent build

I'm okay with buying used parts some of them not all of them but if they were available .

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I know ( not 100% sure )that Zen is going to be on par with Haswell so I don't know how Zen is going to help that much as Intel will probably have better performance but maybe something will happen.

[PlayStation 2]

I'm okay with buying used parts some of them not all of them but if they were available .

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I know ( not 100% sure )that Zen is going to be on par with Haswell so I don't know how Zen is going to help that much as Intel will probably have better performance but maybe something will happen.

At the rate the gaming industry is going, it's gonna be a while for Zen or Haswell to reach its limit.

[Dabombinable]

Sure thing man I'm a console fanboy if that's what you want but can you tell me why ?

So ignorant, they can use other stuff you know ? PowerPC ? cell processors ? ARM maybe ? figure something out ?

Or go back to Intel x86 (because that's what the original Xbox was with its 733Mhz Pentium III-as close to a PC as any 'next gen' console).

[PlayStation 2]

Or go back to Intel x86 (because that's what the original Xbox was with its 733Mhz Pentium III-as close to a PC as any 'next gen' console).

Where we're at, we need 64-bit operations.

Intel 64 was a pile of crap because it couldn't properly run x86 programs.

[cesrai]

At the rate the gaming industry is going, it's gonna be a while for Zen or Haswell to reach its limit.

Yeah, but if something better is available why would I take Zen ?

[PlayStation 2]

Yeah, but if something better is available why would I take Zen ?

eh you got me there

[cesrai]

Where we're at, we need 64-bit operations.

Intel 64 was a pile of crap because it couldn't properly run x86 programs.

I'm sure like if they made a deal with Intel Intel would make chips that are like good and able to perform 64 bit operations.

Never underestimate the blue dragon

[Mooshi]

Ideally I would love for them to get better, but each year it feels more like empty promises followed up with "Wait till next year, they'll show Intel/Nvidia!" AMD's product line isn't bad, they're just overhyped when it comes to new tech and their competition has way more money to throw into R&D that by the time they are caught up, they're already behind a gen.

[PlayStation 2]

I'm sure like if they made a deal with Intel Intel would make chips that are like good and able to perform 64 bit operations.

Never underestimate the blue dragon

 

Yeah, Intel's got enough money in the bank to buy out the AMD64 license and code and shit relating to that.

[dukethedj]

Also the 295x2 isn't being sold anymore...

Um..... Try again.

[cesrai]

Both = 2, but you listed 3 brands.  

I learned this at a time in school and what he said is totally correct. Don't know the name of the condition or like what this is even called.

[Clyne]

@TheConverter hasn't fully converted himself from playing games on a console. He doesn't realise how much of a difference there is on laptops with 1440p screens compared to those with 2160p screens.

One time he showed how we need 6GB of VRAM when he was just playing 2005 games at 8K that topped around at 5-6GB VRAM........

Don't think that works, you would need a newer game at res/setting that everybody uses to prove we need more than 6GB of VRAM.

[TheConverter]

One time he showed how we need 6GB of VRAM when he was just playing 2005 games at 8K that topped around at 5-6GB VRAM........

Don't think that works, you would need a new game to work.......

 

Witcher 3 capped the 6GB of vram too, that post was half satire half truth (even old games can cap your vram). But we are going offtopic yet again...

[Dabombinable]

Where we're at, we need 64-bit operations.

Intel 64 was a pile of crap because it couldn't properly run x86 programs.

Consoles aren't 64bit at the moment. And on its own without the need for x86 backwards compatibility IA-64 is a valid alternative.

[Clyne]

Witcher 3 capped the 6GB of vram too, that post was half satire half truth (even old games can cap your vram). But we are going offtopic yet again...

But using 8K.......it's not like everybody has VSR/DSR feature on their cards.....

[cesrai]

Witcher 3 capped the 6GB of vram too, that post was half satire half truth (even old games can cap your vram). But we are going offtopic yet again...

I know this is off topic but what was your FPS ? and was it actually playable ?

[PlayStation 2]

Consoles aren't 64bit at the moment. And on its own without the need for x86 backwards compatibility IA-64 is a valid alternative.

The Xbox One and PS4 have the proper x86-64 technology in it. And quite a number of games take advantage of it.

The problem is, we NEED x86 compatibility. More for the sake of more "legacy", for the lack of a better word, operations, but still. IA-64 had a few other problems outside of x86 compatibility.

[Dabombinable]

One time he showed how we need 6GB of VRAM when he was just playing 2005 games at 8K that topped around at 5-6GB VRAM........

Don't think that works, you would need a newer game at res/setting that everybody uses to prove we need more than 6GB of VRAM.

I just treat him as one of the wandering PC peasants from the time of the first Xbox. Because back then the Xbox was better for gaming than even more expensive PC (I should know, my PC performed a hell of a lot worse than my Xbox-and it had newer components). Now on the otherhand, consoles blow compared to PC of the same or similar cost.

[Dabombinable]

The Xbox One and PS4 have the proper x86-64 technology in it. And quite a number of games take advantage of it.

The problem is, we NEED x86 compatibility. More for the sake of more "legacy", for the lack of a better word, operations, but still. IA-64 had a few other problems outside of x86 compatibility.

I'll put it this way, how many consoles have had each generation use the same architecture?

[TheConverter]

I know this is off topic but what was your FPS ? and was it actually playable ?

 

9 FPS at Ultra Settings   Skyrim vanilla was locked 60FPS

 

I always praised how AMD always puts a shiton of vram on their cards, hope they won't stop doing that soon 

HBM V2 will have a cap of 32GB of vram, consumer graphic cards will likely either have 8GB or 16GB of HBM2. Now we only need developers who use that vram for high res textures. Talking about Witcher 3, it has some of the worst textures for a 2015 game.

[PlayStation 2]

I'll put it this way, how many consoles have had each generation use the same architecture?

If you wanna be technical, the PS1 and PS2 used a custom version of MIPS.

But the mindset of Microsoft and Sony had when developing these consoles, they were trying to aim for easy-to-develop PC-like hardware with PC-like APIs. Chances are, whatever Microsoft and Sony do next (or even Nintendo), it's gonna be x86-64 based consoles.